Build 10031

On 2015-03-13 10:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:19:49 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

T wrote:

On 03/11/2015 03:18 PM, Slimer wrote:
Instability however, is another issue. Windows 7 is NOT unstable.

Hi Slimer,

Ask yourself why Windows 7 has restore points and roll back
features. This is an attempt to control the inherent
instability of the OS. Linux and OSx don't have such an
animal because they don't need it.

On win7 I use restore point with 3rd party software in case the vendor
screwed up royally. It is much easier to use a restore point than to go in
there to remove the trailings left all over the hard drive.

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know that
rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem. I'm very
surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me extremely happy to
know that this feature is disabled.

I used to disable Restore Points too but a driver update once hosed my
system in a very unfortunate way. I was glad to have kept it on that one
time as a result.


--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."

On 03/13/2015 01:46 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
I have not been able to quantify any increase in my costs of doing business as a
result of the Target or Home Depot failures. Have you? If so, maybe you have
thought of something I did not.

No data. It is build into the transaction rates the merchant pay.
How much, I have no idea. Must not be much, or the card processors
would take security a lot more seriously.

On 03/13/2015 07:03 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
And, after the patch was applied, your system still worked.
How many times have you had to hold your breath after applying
M$ patches? ¡Ay, caramba!


I'm not one of those people who hold their breath when applying updates, so
the answer is never.

Hi Char,

¡Ay, caramba! You should start!

From the following:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microsoft%27s+botched+updates

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...s-388580.shtml

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...ity-update.htm

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...hed-updates%2F

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...ic-update.html

https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...e-392538.shtml

And on and on and on and on and on ...

-T

On 03/13/2015 07:21 PM, T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 07:03 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
And, after the patch was applied, your system still worked.
How many times have you had to hold your breath after applying
M$ patches? ¡Ay, caramba!


I'm not one of those people who hold their breath when applying
updates, so
the answer is never.

Hi Char,

¡Ay, caramba! You should start!

From the following:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microsoft%27s+botched+updates

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...s-388580.shtml


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...ity-update.htm


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...hed-updates%2F


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...ic-update.html


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...e-392538.shtml


And on and on and on and on and on ...

-T



Hi Char,

Here you go. This is a history of botched updates:

http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/botched+update

There are four pages of them!

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

-T

The first update to my SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein, W10) preview
crashed it. Not unexpected, but HERE WE GO AGAIN!



-T

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know that
rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem. I'm very
surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me extremely happy to
know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore point
once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:17:13 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 12:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:

Doesn't holding the power button for 4 seconds have the same effect?
On the rare occasion a computer hangs and won't respond to anything
else, I've always found that to do the trick.

In here instance, holding down the power button was ignored.
That trick only works when the motherboard itself is not
crashed.

Motherboard...crashed? Interesting phrasing there. Completely inaccurate,
but I think I know what you meant.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:21:31 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 07:03 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
And, after the patch was applied, your system still worked.
How many times have you had to hold your breath after applying
M$ patches? ¡Ay, caramba!


I'm not one of those people who hold their breath when applying updates, so
the answer is never.

Hi Char,

¡Ay, caramba! You should start!


No, thanks. I think you do enough worrying for the both of us.

On 2015-03-13 10:21 PM, T wrote:
On 03/13/2015 07:03 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
And, after the patch was applied, your system still worked.
How many times have you had to hold your breath after applying
M$ patches? ¡Ay, caramba!


I'm not one of those people who hold their breath when applying
updates, so
the answer is never.

Hi Char,

¡Ay, caramba! You should start!

From the following:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microsoft%27s+botched+updates

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Micro...s-388580.shtml


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...ity-update.htm


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...hed-updates%2F


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...ic-update.html


https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg...e-392538.shtml


And on and on and on and on and on ...

And I'm sure that Linux _never_ has these kinds of issues, right?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linux+update+breaks+system&t=ffsb

Tons of results with many of the Linux toiletware victims expressing
their dissatisfaction with how the "operating system" handled an update.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

Here you go. This is a history of botched updates:

There are four pages of them!

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

Not lucky at all. With the millions of people using Windows, there will
always be a few issues here and there. I'm not going to let that influence
me in any way.

The first update to my SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein, W10) preview
crashed it. Not unexpected, but HERE WE GO AGAIN!

You know, it's really hard to have a discussion with you. I feel like I'm
talking to my nephew. He's 6 years old.

On 2015-03-14 11:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

Here you go. This is a history of botched updates:

There are four pages of them!

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

Not lucky at all. With the millions of people using Windows, there will
always be a few issues here and there. I'm not going to let that influence
me in any way.

The first update to my SOF (Son-of-Frankenstein, W10) preview
crashed it. Not unexpected, but HERE WE GO AGAIN!

You know, it's really hard to have a discussion with you. I feel like I'm
talking to my nephew. He's 6 years old.

He's trying to get us to believe that Linux is a better option than the
horrible, terrifying jail that Microsoft has put us in with Windows.
He's trying to get us to believe that Linux never has problems with
updates, that it suffers no slowdowns whatsoever and offers superior
software. All of the above is completely wrong and generally insulting
when you consider that Linux also doesn't allow you to use whatever
hardware you won to its full capacity.

Linux advocates have a habit of lying to people to get them to try their
toiletware "operating system." If you have problems with it, regardless
of what they are, you're lying or the problem is between the chair and
the screen (you). It can't POSSIBLY be Linux itself despite the
widespread, _reported_ problems.

This one goes further by trying to portray himself as a friendly,
decent, gentleman despite his constant lies.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
Encrypt.

- "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." -
chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means
- "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly*
accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv,
accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile
- "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and
that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter
- M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly
- "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." -
JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly
- "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH,
again lying shamelessly
- "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the
closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a
homophobe and a homosexual.
- "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its
Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to
figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do
with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann,
trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure."

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:40:20 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 06:51 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how often do you have to tell your Windows
customers to turn their computers off at night?

Never. Why do you ask?

Hi Char,

I have to ask it all the time.

Do you really have to, or is it something else that drives you? I don't turn
any of my computers off at night, but I haven't taken a poll of those around
me to see what they do. I suspect it's a mix.

Noticed one model of Dell laptop that you have to unscrew
a panel and more screws to get the battery out. Made
for a nightmare for one lady who was running Frankenstein
(w8). Since she used her laptop of a desktop and never
took it anywhere, I had her kid just remove the stinking
battery permanently. Now when Frankie does its thing,
she just jerks out the charger cord and problem solved.
What was Dell thinking!

I'm not sure what problem you might be referring to, but the way I see it
replacing a battery is something you might possibly do every few years, if
that, so as long as it's replaceable I don't care if it's a snap-on panel or
if a few screws are involved. Truth be told, I'd almost be willing to bet
that most people NEVER replace a laptop battery. I never have, on any of my
personal laptops.

I have to show iPad users how to exit their programs
all the time. None so far know how. But, it doesn't seems
to effect them like it does Windows.

I'm proudly Apple free around here, so I have no experience with the iPad.
Maybe it's like certain other modern OSs, where there's no need to exit
apps. You simply stop using them when you've completed your task.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:52:16 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 07:10 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
No one was harmed by the vulnerability or the resulting patch.
No one's system even had to be rebooted.

No one was harmed by the vulnerability? Did you really just say that? You
can't be that out of touch, right?

Hi Char,

Yes I did. The vulnerability was fixed as soon as someone found it.
No malware was written for it. Wouldn't make any sense to
do so as the fix hit so rapidly. And everyone's machine
still worked afterwards.

So naive. ;-)

I think maybe you are letting your loyalty get in your
way of your thinking.

But it is good to be loyal.

Loyalty? I'm not seeing it. When I point out flaws in your logic, that's not
loyalty, it's just pointing out flaws in your logic.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:51 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 07:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

but I didn't know that
rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem

It doesn't. Were in the world did anyone get that impression?

You'd have to ask Grey Cloud.

It mainly rolls back the registry. Damn thing wipes out
all your configurations you set up the week before.

That's pretty much why I disable the feature. Even if a restore fixes one
issue, what other changes did it silently make at the same time? I don't
know.

Slimer wrote:

On 2015-03-12 11:52 PM, T wrote:
On 03/12/2015 04:27 PM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-12 5:45 PM, T wrote:
A rollback doesn't touch your documents at all. That is yet another
blatant lie.

Hi Shadow,

You got my name wrong, your first lie in this post.

What is with the name calling? Be a gentleman. If you want
me to go into detail, just ask. I will give you a hint: I
said nothing about documents being rolled back because
I wasn't talking about documents. Think r-e-g-e-s-t-r-y.
I was configuring things. Those configurations go into
the registry.

Goal post moved noted, lie #2.

By all means, provide a link to a single one and make sure to quote
the explanation as to _why_ they didn't.

Look through Info Worlds archives,

No evidence whatsoever to provide, lie #3.

Another shameless lie. Mac OS X is by far the _slowest_ operating
system
I've ever used. On 4GB of RAM, Windows 7 is excellent. On 4GB of
RAM, OS
X is slow as molasses. I get superior performance on a Core i3 with
4GB RAM with Windows 7 running on NTFS than I could ever get on a Core
i5 with 4GB RAM running OS X. Every single time I have to fix my
parents' Mac Mini Core i5, I am ASTOUNDED by how slow it is.

Again with the name calling.

Liars deserve no less.

I do not see a lot of macs, but I do see them. Their use of
solid state hard drive means they kick butt speed wise over
mechanical drive systems of any type. OSx is basically
Posix UNIX with an (extremely) proprietary GUI on top of it.

What you describe sounds like something is wrong. Do you
have an Apple Store near by that you can take it to?

The use of the SSD on OS X machines only allows it to run acceptably.
Use that SSD with Windows and it'll fly. Apple is simply making up for
horribly slow and memory-hungry OS X is by bundling most of its machines
with that technology. Use a typical hard disk and you'll feel the pain.

I have to set up nightly reboot on Windows servers their
quality is so bad.

My brother-in-law handles Windows servers and he never restarts them.
You're lying yet again.

Did your mother ever teach you any manners?

She did, and she admitted that liars such as yourself deserve none of
them.

And ask him. I commonly have mine restart at 2:00 in the
morning automatically.

So because you do it, it means that everyone does. Right?

Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation,
was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I
actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without
shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before
that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a
crawl
if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down
and meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a
magician either.

Sounds to me like there is something wrong with it. Any Apple
stores near by?

It's not damaged. The hard disk and everything has been tested. The OS
is just slow. My students' Mac is the same way and no amount of your
lies has managed to speed it up so far.

That was true for Windows 8. A shutdown option was indeed available
but you needed to configure it in. However, everyone is running 8.1
since a while now and your statement is no longer correct. Like
everything else you said, it's complete bull****.

I have to configure it in 8.1 too. And sometimes the updates
set it back. Anyone else see this?

Only you. Maybe you have no idea how to install 8.1? Hint: it's not in
the Windows Updates.

Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm.
Which is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential.

That was not the point. The point was that M$ marketing department
has stated that W7 is far more secure than XP and that is one
of the best reasons to upgrade. The statement is false.

And you are correct. The weakest security link is the user.

I don't see any difference in security between XP and 7. Considering
that only 8 allows for applications to run within a walled garden and
even then, only for applications in the modern interface, I can't
imagine what 7 provided in terms of additional security. It had a really
crappy malware protection built-in. Perhaps that's what Microsoft was
referring to?



Slimer,

You are an ass hole. I do not wish to know you or
to ever have any future contact with you.

I am kill filing you.

Good.

Most of them cut and run anyway when confronted with the truth and facts.

T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 12:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:


What the hell is "btrfs"?

I prefer ZFS from Oracle. It actually tries to keep the file system from
getting corrupted. I've been using it for many years now and no
problems, yet it is faster than the UFS.

EXT4 (or was it 3) was IBM's big gift to Linux. It
contained the necessary journaling that IBM required
for their T-Rex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4

XFS look interesting. It was originally created by
Silicon Graphics:

SGI also created the GL. And later is known as OpenGL.
Their use of a well designed RISC cpu and their design of a good desktop
using GL to spiffy up their X11 gui was excellent. Boeing had purchased a
lot of those in the 90s and were excellent but expensive.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#History

Never got a change to work on a mainframe. It sound
fun. The more OS'es you know, the more fun this
profession gets.

Except that it is stagnating. There isn't much competition left to spur
move innovation as per Meg Whitman of HP. Which is why she instigated the
new operating system and new computer research to break past the speed
barrier of current cpu designs. The initial os will be linux based, but
they intend on making their own os in the future... they call it The
Machine.