XP Pro SP2, Vista & Vienna -- A Useful Progression?

Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:55 -0700, "Justin"
wrote:

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
.. .
Ya got me again! How are you able to take advantage of fleet
deals? Are you saying you go to the bigger web sites like
the one you mention, who advertise very close to invoice
deals?

Any one can. Just get in touch with the fleet manager.

You're trying to tell us you got a "fleet" price buying ONE
car?

Apparently he did. People can also find a way to get a "police
package", or so I've been told, don't know how they do that
either.

First I call ed my local dodge dealer and asked for the
nearest fleet dealer. Then I called them up. However, I must
note this only seems to work with American companies. My
$500 over invoice offer was laughed at by Toyota and Hyundai.

The "invoice" price isn't what the dealer pays. Dealers get
all kinds of incentives from the manufacturer that lowers his
net wholesale price. The so-called invoice price is just
another marketing gimic to dupe people like you that don't
know any better. It isn't close to what the dealer actually
pays. His cost is much less. Translation: You were taken.

"All kinds" is an overstatement, but there are manufacturer
incentives. My knowledge of the process is that it is more like
1, 2, or maybe 3% of invoice. Dealers also share both local and
national advertising with the manufacturer and incentives are
held back - or withheld altogether - based on if a dealer meets
sales targets. MSRP is required by law, there is no specific law
on dealer invoice or whatever you choose to call it. But, it can
easily be found factually on the web or even estimated. As the
price and profit potential rise, so does the spread between
wholesale and MSRP, but for cars like Justin and I have been
discussing, it averages about 9%. So, absent any customer
rebates, one can SWAG "invoice" by taking 88-90% of MSRP. And,
leasing isn't wild and wooly anymore, it is pretty much a
straight percentage based on prevailing interest rates for the
lessor and their believed residual price on turn-in.

Be wary of using words like "dupe". There are old-fashioned horse
traders but dealers cannot survive for long by screwing people,
the word gets around. And, dealers will tell you that a large
number, some say 50%, others 75%, of all customers come in with
printouts of SPECIFIC cars they know is in the dealer's inventory
and just dicker on price. It is indeed a buyer's market right
now.

Warranties are no longer a option for me. They are a
requirement. Once the warranty is up then I'll keep a car
until I feel I'm coming to a repair bill that would be best
used for a down payment.

You really babble a lot of nonsense. You're thinking the
dealer you trade the car in at isn't going to give the
trade-in a good going over and reduce the price he'll give you
if you blew a transmission, the car needs break work or
whatever? For your further education if you trade in a car the
salesman is sizing you up and will decrease the value of the
trade in perportion to what he "gives" you as a "deal" on the
price of the new car to end up with the profit he figures you
as the pigeon is willing to pay. You even wonder why those
that sell cars in America are called DEALERS? Duh!

Nobody mentioned what a dealer does or doesn't do to a traded in
car. The discussion is about how to get the best value, which
really means lowest cost/mile driven. You need to modernize your
thinking, and talk to the Japanese folks if you haven't already.
It is a WHOLE different biz than just 10 year ago and doesn't
even resemble what it was in 1980-85.

I bet you really believe when the salesmen walks away and
tells you he's got to check with his manager if can lower the
price the couple hundred bucks you think you were smart enough
to 'talk him down' to is really doing that. Actually he's
probably bragging to another salesman at the coffee machine
saying, hey a got a real dumb kid that's all hot and bothered
to pay $1,200 more for the same make and model I just sold
this morning. LOL!

That's absurd. Yes, sales droids DO take advantage of the
gullibility of customers, and the easiest way to get taken is to
give them a price/month you want to pay. They can get there
dozens of ways. The best way is still to negotiate the actual buy
price before you even talk about trade-ins. Get the real story on
incentives before you walk in, and THEN talk about financing. In
today's world of Internet selling, it is pretty damn hard to
shade someone who'd done even minimal research, but if you're too
stupid to live, then, yes,you'll be another notch on some hot
shot salesman gun butt.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ...

You're probably right, no one *NEEDS* a hybrid automobile any
more than anyone *NEEDS* a Hemi powered car. We buy what we
want and if it feeds our perception of our environmental
consciousness, or our driving skills, then so be it. Different
strokes for different folks.

Let's try to separate "need" from "want". Nobody needs a hot PC and
nobody needs Vista. Nobody needs a hybrid nor a HEMI nor an F-150
nor a Mercedes-Benz S-650 for $150,000+. But, people want these
things, or think they do. This is what freedom is all about, and is
also what the free enterprise system is all about. And, yes, ALL
companies try to implant the "need" in prospective customer's minds
so they would rather die than not buy the thing du jour.

Anyway, with the desert and mountains less than an hour away,
I can make use of the 4X4... :))

--
HP, aka Jerry

Yeah, but prior versions that had the feature "Set it and forget it" to
enable real time defrag -would-, not could, -would- bring a system to its
knees if DK kicked off when one was busy doing something else. Used to drive
me crazy and one of the first things I did when testing on one of our
project's images was to disable that feature. The new DK really does "real
time" defrag well, without any performance penalties.

Lang

. wrote in message ...
Disk Keeper, which Windows Defrag is based on, always had as its design
goal to run without affecting performance (it was designed to run on 24/7
servers). When newer programs came out they used Dos techniques and did
this and that because they were aimed at previous dos users who expected
bells and whistles. People said bad things about DK because of its lack of
features and didn't realise that it was designed to do one thing and to do
it without hurting performance - that was to defrag a disk.
"Lang Murphy" wrote in message
...
Jerry,


I guess those of us who don't experience a high level of power
brownouts or blackouts are lucky. I've got a UPS on one PC
here... the one my wife uses... but my other PC's are not
protected by a UPS.

Lang, your experience and that of many others is why I've tried to
stay soft, and just relate that there CAN be reasons for doing
things differently, depending on the realities of where you live,
what you do with the PC, and your tolerance for pain.

Well, nobody likes pain, at least those of us who don't subscribe to
masochism. :-P

Fully agree; different strokes for different folks as someone said back
in the 70's, I think. Also different budgets... sigh

As a sidebar, I've been using Diskeeper 2007 (10) for a while
now and it's pretty cool. Has "new" technology called
"Invisitasking" that replaces the old "set it and forget it"
stuff which could really bring a seat to its knees if DK
kicked off while one was using the PC. The new version is, to
my eyes, completely unintrusive; I have never detected a
system lag due to the DK service running.

What is that, not familiar with it. My two are APC, about $150
each, 20-25 minutes for my PC, monitor, and external HD. Batteries
need to be replaced every 4-5 years as total battery time drops, I
think in the $50 range.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear on what Diskeeper is... it's a defrag
program. The one, in fact, on which Windows built in defrag is based. I
probably got earlier msgs mixed up as someone earlier had mentioned
scheduling defrags at night.

The reason I mentioned this new version of DK was because I think the
technology of "real time" defrag has reached a point where it is not
intrusive to system performance which was not true in even the previous
version of this product. Point being, with "real time" defrag, one
doesn't have to schedule defrags.


And... my comment was not directed at you... you appear to be
someone who actually contributes assistance in this NG. Unlike
the OP.

Thanks, Lang, appreciate it. I have tried to turn over a new leaf
from the flamer and anti-MS, anti-MVP creep I was last summer.

Well, you certainly do seem to be maintaining an even keel... always a
welcome relief here, especially when opinions differ.

Thanks,

Lang

As usual adam injects his own words into other peoples statements and just
plain ol' doesn't get it:

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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You're trying to tell us you got a "fleet" price buying ONE car?

What part of that did you not understand? Every new car I've purchases has
been a fleet deal.

The "invoice" price isn't what the dealer pays.

Who said it was? Are you ASSuming?

The so-called invoice price is just another marketing gimic to
dupe people like you that don't know any better.

Hum. "I" don't know any better? $500 over invoice is WAY UNDER sticker.
Maybe you should think about that again. Usually a new car like the HHR and
the Nitro go for OVER sticker. Those are the people that don't know any
better. Then people entertain themselves as they talk the price down to
sticker.

It isn't close to
what the dealer actually pays.

Very good!

His cost is much less. Translation: You
were taken.

Nope! Try again. I do expect the dealer to make money. Do you really
think if all they made was $500 then they would be in business? You're
letting your attitude about me get the best of you. Slow down, calm down
and think a while before you reply.


You really babble a lot of nonsense.

You think that because you never understand what I'm saying. Everyone else
does. I don't know what to do about that. Once I give up and talk down to
a Jr. High School level then you all of a sudden understand and claim that
I've changed my story. Even though TWICE people have had to tell you that I
said the same thing only in different words. You're on your own with that
one.

You're thinking the dealer you
trade the car in at isn't going to give the trade-in a good going over
and reduce the price he'll give you if you blew a transmission,

Who the hell said anything about blowing the tranny? I never said that I
BREAK the car before towing it to the dealer. I said, "until I feel I'm
coming to a". Key word there is "coming". In either case, you're wrong
anyway. I sense you know nothing about this area of business. If I take my
F-150 and trade it in, I'll get FAIR market value and they'll wholesale the
truck off because of it's high mileage. They will NOT sell the truck on the
lot. They just want to make sure it runs. I have NEVER had anyone even
turn my trade-in's on to check them out. I have always handed over the keys
when they hand me my new keys.


For your further education if you
trade in a car the salesman is sizing you up and will decrease the
value of the trade in perportion to what he "gives" you as a "deal" on
the price of the new car to end up with the profit he figures you as
the pigeon is willing to pay. You even wonder why those that sell cars
in America are called DEALERS? Duh!

This was all BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. There are
salespeople that will adjust the car deal with the trade-in deal versus what
you can afford per month. However that has NOTHING to do with how I deal.
You have already forgotten about the papers I first hand them.

I bet you really believe when the salesmen walks away and tells you
he's got to check with his manager if can lower the price the couple
hundred bucks you think you were smart enough to 'talk him down' to is
really doing that. Actually he's probably bragging to another salesman
at the coffee machine saying, hey a got a real dumb kid that's all hot
and bothered to pay $1,200 more for the same make and model I just
sold this morning. LOL!

Once again, you have no clue. You already forgot that I don't deal with
salespeople.

DAMN IT! This discussion has me day dreaming about the Charger again....

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

As usual adam injects his own words into other peoples
statements and just plain ol' doesn't get it:

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
You're trying to tell us you got a "fleet" price buying ONE
car?

What part of that did you not understand? Every new car I've
purchases has been a fleet deal.

The "invoice" price isn't what the dealer pays.

Who said it was? Are you ASSuming?

No one has says so, but when I read things that suggest that
shysters in the dealerships are out to screw you over, it pretty
much tells me two things: they're woefully out-of-date and/or
ignorant of the changes in the industry and they're shopping at
an American car maker's dealer which everybody knows is selling
POS vehicles and need fast talking sales droids to push the iron.

Dealer invoice, such that it is, can be determined from
nonconfidential sources or very closely estimated by savvy
buyers. The rest, both buyer and dealer incentives, are easily
determined, and other "hidden" charges between the "real" price,
the "invoice" price and the as-sold price can also be estimated.
Often, a competent dealer, the sales manager if not the droid
themselves, will show you what these extra are. You may or may
not be able to chip away at them, but you can find out what they
are.

The only thing that matter, at the end of the deal, is the price
YOU pay. The rest is just hogwash. And, for them who may think
the foreign folk are better, yes they are. Clearly better. They
also get a far higher piece of the difference between invoice
less incentives to MSRP, because the reputation of the cars
allows them to use less customer incentives and demand a higher
portion of MSRP. That's the free market system at work.

The so-called invoice price is just another marketing gimic
to dupe people like you that don't know any better.

Hum. "I" don't know any better? $500 over invoice is WAY
UNDER sticker. Maybe you should think about that again.
Usually a new car like the HHR and the Nitro go for OVER
sticker. Those are the people that don't know any better.
Then people entertain themselves as they talk the price down
to sticker.

Yes, so what? The real issue to Justin or you or me or anyone is
this: can I do BETTER than that? How can it possibly matter if
there are a dozen ersatz hidden prices? The one that matters at
all is the one that YOU agree to by putting your John Hancock on
the dotted line.

It isn't close to
what the dealer actually pays.

Very good!

His cost is much less. Translation: You were taken.

Nope! Try again. I do expect the dealer to make money. Do
you really think if all they made was $500 then they would be
in business? You're letting your attitude about me get the
best of you. Slow down, calm down and think a while before
you reply.

When customers are able to take advantage of some alternate form
of employee discount, as I've discuess with you, they can see for
themselves what the car really costs. But, this is important: no
dealer is required to grant an employee discount even if the
manurfacturer provides it nor do they have to honor fleet
discounts for a non-real fleet buyer. Occasionally when a car is
really hot, they will refuse EPs.

You really babble a lot of nonsense.

You think that because you never understand what I'm saying.
Everyone else does. I don't know what to do about that. Once
I give up and talk down to a Jr. High School level then you
all of a sudden understand and claim that I've changed my
story. Even though TWICE people have had to tell you that I
said the same thing only in different words. You're on your
own with that one.

People for decades and decades and decades remember the bad old
days prior to Rep. Monroney's landmark legislation passed in 1958
which created the mandatory MSRP labels that are commonly known
as Monroney labels or stickers. But, if they've been screwed once
or twice along the way, they develop a life-long hatred for the
process and believe all sales droids are evil. Some are bad, but
the great majority are honest. That said, their job is to
generate the most profit for their boss, the dealer principle.
They don't generate any if they blow the sale, so they must walk
a thin line between trying to squeeze the last ounce of profit
from the buyer at the risk he will bolt, or do a little better
until there is a "deal". And, again, some 50-70% of ALL buyers
come into the dealership with a sheaf of paper in their hand of
the cars and their prices that they're interested in, and often
strike a deal in only 15 minutes. In my case, the price isn't an
issue because I know my EP forces them to show me the invoice,
and right now, all dealers are taking EP on all cars, even Vipers
and SRT8 rockets, so the time I spend in a dealership is the
learning process on the new car(s) I'm considering past what I
can learn on-line, test driving the one(s) I am considering, then
the mechanics of signing all the pre-delivery paperwork and the
novellete-size packet upon taking delivery.

What's so hard to understand here?

You're thinking the dealer you
trade the car in at isn't going to give the trade-in a good
going over and reduce the price he'll give you if you blew a
transmission,

Who the hell said anything about blowing the tranny? I never
said that I BREAK the car before towing it to the dealer. I
said, "until I feel I'm coming to a". Key word there is
"coming". In either case, you're wrong anyway. I sense you
know nothing about this area of business. If I take my F-150
and trade it in, I'll get FAIR market value and they'll
wholesale the truck off because of it's high mileage. They
will NOT sell the truck on the lot. They just want to make
sure it runs. I have NEVER had anyone even turn my trade-in's
on to check them out. I have always handed over the keys when
they hand me my new keys.

For your further education if you
trade in a car the salesman is sizing you up and will
decrease the value of the trade in perportion to what he
"gives" you as a "deal" on the price of the new car to end up
with the profit he figures you as the pigeon is willing to
pay. You even wonder why those that sell cars in America are
called DEALERS? Duh!

This was all BS. You have no clue what you're talking about.
There are salespeople that will adjust the car deal with the
trade-in deal versus what you can afford per month. However
that has NOTHING to do with how I deal. You have already
forgotten about the papers I first hand them.

Trade-ins, if one does that, is a very cut-and-dry process. It
doesn't even matter what options are on the car. Its general
condition is a minor consideration as is the mileage. The rest is
taken from the modern form of the "blue book" and the customer is
offered wholesale, or somewhat higher if that is what it take to
"get the deal". Nothing at all magic here, either, and a
prospective buyer can get within $100 of what he will be offered
on-line so there's no surprise there.

I bet you really believe when the salesmen walks away and
tells you he's got to check with his manager if can lower the
price the couple hundred bucks you think you were smart
enough to 'talk him down' to is really doing that. Actually
he's probably bragging to another salesman at the coffee
machine saying, hey a got a real dumb kid that's all hot and
bothered to pay $1,200 more for the same make and model I
just sold this morning. LOL!

Once again, you have no clue. You already forgot that I don't
deal with salespeople.

My sales droid did talk to his manager, but I know that guy, too,
and BOTH came back, the sales droid to complete the deal, and the
sales manager to say hello, shake my hand, and thank me for yet
another car from him. My current Charger is just the first daily
drive I've gotten from a dealer since my 1976 Volare, but I
bought 3 Dodges for my daughter and one Eagle Talon, so I AM
familiar with the process first hand.

DAMN IT! This discussion has me day dreaming about the
Charger again....

Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince
me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my
conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would
be fun!

--
HP, aka Jerry

HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ...

You're probably right, no one *NEEDS* a hybrid automobile any
more than anyone *NEEDS* a Hemi powered car. We buy what we
want and if it feeds our perception of our environmental
consciousness, or our driving skills, then so be it. Different
strokes for different folks.

Let's try to separate "need" from "want". Nobody needs a hot PC and
nobody needs Vista. Nobody needs a hybrid nor a HEMI nor an F-150
nor a Mercedes-Benz S-650 for $150,000+. But, people want these
things, or think they do. This is what freedom is all about, and is
also what the free enterprise system is all about. And, yes, ALL
companies try to implant the "need" in prospective customer's minds
so they would rather die than not buy the thing du jour.

Anyway, with the desert and mountains less than an hour away,
I can make use of the 4X4... :))

I thought that formatting *NEEDS* the way I did, I was making a
distinction of sorts. Nest time I'll try to make the distinction more
clear (double-double?) by including *WANT* for those who are slow on the
uptake.

Thanks for the heads-up... :))
--
Tom - Vista, CA

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince
me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my
conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would
be fun!

Less time on road = less fuel spent. The quicker you get their the less
time you're on the road!

The SRT8 will SAVE you money!

Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ...

HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ...

You're probably right, no one *NEEDS* a hybrid automobile
any more than anyone *NEEDS* a Hemi powered car. We buy what
we want and if it feeds our perception of our environmental
consciousness, or our driving skills, then so be it.
Different strokes for different folks.

Let's try to separate "need" from "want". Nobody needs a hot
PC and nobody needs Vista. Nobody needs a hybrid nor a HEMI
nor an F-150 nor a Mercedes-Benz S-650 for $150,000+. But,
people want these things, or think they do. This is what
freedom is all about, and is also what the free enterprise
system is all about. And, yes, ALL companies try to implant
the "need" in prospective customer's minds so they would
rather die than not buy the thing du jour.

Anyway, with the desert and mountains less than an hour
away, I can make use of the 4X4... :))

I thought that formatting *NEEDS* the way I did, I was making
a distinction of sorts. Nest time I'll try to make the
distinction more clear (double-double?) by including *WANT*
for those who are slow on the uptake.

Thanks for the heads-up... :))

Tom, who of us are you arguing with and why? I believe, and have
stated so several times, that buying decisions for ALL products
hard or soft, consumer or vehicular, application SW or O/S is all
about freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to decline, freedom to
buy what they want for whatever reason they want, and freedom to
not buy what they don't want to buy. WRT vehicles, I can see
really broad-based definitions of "need", "want", "desire", "lust
for", "require", and other adjectives applied to cars as small as
imported sub-sub compacts through the entire spectrum of car
sizes, price classes, engines, features, etc. The, there's the
people and cargo haulers, including traditional minivans or SUVs,
and the trucks. More recently, we've seen the rapid rise of CUVs,
again, all the way from sub-compact to really large. 4X4 vehicles
abound, as do AWD which is different. Some folks want an off-road
vehicle while others just want to pretent and still others just
want to be safe in rain and snow. There's other market segments
and many other quantitative and qualitative definitions one can
use to "justify" why people do or don't buy what any of us may
think they should. So, just because Justin has a F-150, someone
else has a 4X4 truck or SUV, I have a 5.7L HEMI, lots of folks
lust after the modern day muscle cars, and then there's the Prius
crowd.

So, as the old Wendy's ads used to say "where's the beef?" And,
note that none of the protagonists in this OT debate have
politicized the vehicle buying process nor evangelized any
favorite brands/models nor disparaged any, that I can tell. I'll
say it again: I may not like my company's competitures, but I
sure as Hell highly respect them. The Asians and some European
brands definitely do it right the first time, are price
efficient, plant build time efficient, have outstanding quality,
often superior fuel economy, and frequently competitive
performance. And, while the American Big Three ARE improving
rapidly across the board, the Asians are improving at a higher
rate. So, I can and will respect your views, just keep it factual
and no name calling, OK? Thanks.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will
convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse
to salve my conscience that I really need that much power.
Man, it sure would be fun!

Less time on road = less fuel spent. The quicker you get
their the less time you're on the road!

The SRT8 will SAVE you money!

That's an interesting concept, Justin. In my best Mr. Spock-ism,
"Capt. Kirk, I shall consider it!". Mebbe I should extend your
rationale into one of those really swoopy M-B CLK cars they are
calling 4-door coupes, which are drop dead gorgeous, full featured
beyond imagination, and can stay with the best of 'em at the stop
light Grand Prix. And, I can even use my EP discount to buy one.
Lets see, $138K MSRP less dealer markup less EP, hmmm. Naw, mebbe
better rething the SRT again ..

Have a good one, and think Charger - or think Challenger. That's my
next lust point. I imagine I may have to settle for "only" a 5.7L
but then, mebbe my stock broker can boost me to 425 or 500 hp (if
that is accurate scuttlebut). It's over a year away, as is Vista
for me, so one can always dream ...

--
HP, aka Jerry

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:16:25 -0700, "Justin" wrote:

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
. ..

Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince
me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my
conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would
be fun!

Less time on road = less fuel spent.

Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the
faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you
more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH.

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the
faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you
more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH.

Damn dude. You seriously are dumber then dog crap.

Jerry wrote: "Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me"

You really need to learn to read something then STOP! Think about it for a
second. At least TRY to understand what you've read and then proceed.

Unless you're just being like this for your own amusement. If so then I
guess we need to just ignore you.

Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:16:25 -0700, "Justin"
wrote:

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
.. .

Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will
convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse
to salve my conscience that I really need that much power.
Man, it sure would be fun!

Less time on road = less fuel spent.

Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you)
knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It
therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH
then it would at 60 MPH.

That's a yolk,son! grin I liked the irony of Justin's idea to
give me the ammo I need to convince myself and my wife to let me
have an SRT8, and I'm trying to extend that to maybe a Z-06, a
Viper or - dare I say it? - a Ferrari Enzo. Gas using Justin's
tongue-in-cheek logic should be so cheap the oil companies will pay
me!

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you)
knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It
therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH
then it would at 60 MPH.

Damn dude. You seriously are dumber then dog crap.

Jerry wrote: "Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will
convince me"

See my reply, Justin. I enjoyed your retort to me, and am now
thinking of a Ferrari Enzo for a cool million, ought to be almost
free to drive that dude at 212 mph!

You really need to learn to read something then STOP! Think
about it for a second. At least TRY to understand what you've
read and then proceed.

Unless you're just being like this for your own amusement. If
so then I guess we need to just ignore you.

People jump into the middle of a long-winded - mainly me - set of
replies to replies to replies and can easily take things out of
context. I cannot think of anyone that has enough brain cells to
even button their shirt thinking that higher speed means higher
fuel consumption, in general (the exceptions being narrow
conditions where an engine controller can eke out more economy at
slightly higher speeds, ala MDS).

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HP, aka Jerry

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
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See my reply, Justin. I enjoyed your retort to me, and am now
thinking of a Ferrari Enzo for a cool million, ought to be almost
free to drive that dude at 212 mph!

A 40 mile commute would take 11 minutes. You could go home for lunch and be
back in time!


People jump into the middle of a long-winded - mainly me - set of
replies to replies to replies and can easily take things out of
context. I cannot think of anyone that has enough brain cells to
even button their shirt thinking that higher speed means higher
fuel consumption, in general (the exceptions being narrow
conditions where an engine controller can eke out more economy at
slightly higher speeds, ala MDS).

He knows what he did. He's been trolling for a while now. See the "Talk
about WOW" thread. The trolls are now fighting with each other. I'm
staying out of that one.

Adam Albright wrote:
..

Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the
faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you
more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH.



Not if you're coasting down a hill.

No gas needed at all. In fact, you can turn the engine off completely.

Alias