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  #61  
Old January 6th 19, 08:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
Yes Mark Twain died a century ago but
Why does it seem weird? It's just a
username. I could of put anything and
just decided to use that.

Robert


The idea of using someone else's name just seemed weird to me. I guess I'm
not used to it.


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Old January 6th 19, 05:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 11/30/2018 8:12 PM, Mark Twain wrote:
I meant (rivets) not(2) of course..

Maybe I can get a set of anti-static
brushes that can get in-between the
fan blades to clean/loosen the dust
and then vacuum?

I don't think they thought much about
maintenance when they build computers.
.


Just use a vacuum cleaner briefly, but block the fan blade with
something so it cannot turn first, otherwise, you could overspeed it and
fry the bearings. The vacuum alone should get out most of the dust.
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Old January 6th 19, 05:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 12/1/2018 6:12 AM, Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
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Where the fan blows down onto the heatsink, the
dust will be near the top of the heatsink. A

[]
What proportion of such fans blow onto the heatsink, as opposed to
sucking off the heatsink - about 50-50, or is one type much commoner
than the other?

I know "clean box" cabinets tend to operate under positive pressure,
which is counter-intuitive (though does make sense when you think it
through), but there the concentration is on air filtration, rather
than cooling.

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Most of these will blow the air downwards, which
can help cool the Vcore regulator or any other
VRM-like portions near the CPU.

Drawing air upwards has been tried, but doesn't
work quite as well. The design the OP has, has no
plenum to speak of, and a "suction" design would
need a plenum to maintain pressure.

*******

Dust in computer cases, is a function of positive
or negative pressure. And fan location makes a difference,
in terms of "stirring" the dust until the air vents
out the back. With some fan installations "dumping"
more of the dust load into the PC, than others.

Some PCs have dust filters on the front. All
that this does, is guarantee a cleaning job every
three months. And you have to position the
PC, so you can pull the washable filter out of
the computer case (at the bottom front). Without
the dust filter, the same PC can run for a year
or two, without a cleaning.

Â*Â* Paul


I have "positive ventilation" on my desktop. I have a 5" fan at the back
of 3 unused drive bays. The fan has a manual controller on it to
moderate the noise and air flow, and it draws air into the computer
through the drive bays. In the front of the fan, I have 4 1/4" layers of
soft foam packing material which air easily goes through. The foam is
hot glued together on alternate front or back edges to form a W shaped
filter element. Every couple months I remove the filter and vacuum it
off, then replace it. This is very effective at limiting the dust that
gets to the heatsink or elsewhere inside the computer, so I only need to
open it up for cleaning every couple years. I used packing tape to block
up "leaks" through holes in the drive bay sides.
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Old January 6th 19, 06:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 12/2/2018 6:46 AM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mr Pounder Esquire
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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Oh, I've always earthed myself to a radiator before I take the
desktop into the garage.

Good idea, but voltage is relative - it's more important that you
touch (an exposed metal part of) the chassis before touching
anything inside - in theory, it probably doesn't matter if you're
at 1 kV, if the chassis is also at 1 kV. (Well, I exaggerate for
effect, but YKWIM.) If the
chassis and you are both grounded, even better. Often achievable by
leaving the mains lead (US: line cord) plugged in, assuming it's a
3-pin plug.

I need to take it into the garage and take the panels off before I
can touch the chassis. Then I have to find an earth.

That might be one case where, indeed, you and the chassis are at the
same potential (thus you're unlikely to cause damage by a discharge),
even if that potential isn't earth potential. (Although I'm surprised
you don't have a handy earth in your garage - don't you have power
there, e. g. for a battery-charger? If so, I'd _hope_ it has earth
terminals!)


Plenty of power sockets in there.
Are you suggesting that I remove the cover off one of them, find the earth
and hold it?


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Just touch the screw that holds the cover on if it is a grounded outlet.
Or, if the computer has a grounding plug on its cord, just plug it in,
then touch the computer chassis. Then unplug it.
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Old January 7th 19, 07:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Bill in Co
writes:
Mark Twain wrote:
Yes Mark Twain died a century ago but
Why does it seem weird? It's just a
username. I could of put anything and
just decided to use that.


Though I suspect the real Mark Twain would never have written "could of"
(-:

Robert


The idea of using someone else's name just seemed weird to me. I guess I'm
not used to it.

It's not uncommon. It's not an attempt to personate: in this case I
suspect most people know the real MT is long dead. Robert's choice could
well be seen as a respectful homage.

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Old January 7th 19, 08:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
Mark Twain wrote:
Yes Mark Twain died a century ago but
Why does it seem weird? It's just a
username. I could of put anything and
just decided to use that.


Though I suspect the real Mark Twain would never have written "could of"
(-:

Robert


The idea of using someone else's name just seemed weird to me. I guess
I'm not used to it.

It's not uncommon. It's not an attempt to personate: in this case I
suspect most people know the real MT is long dead. Robert's choice could
well be seen as a respectful homage.


So I could sign myself as Thomas Edison or Albert Einstein or Ernest
Hemingway? Ummm, I don't think so, and respectfully disagree. :-) It is
impersonating, by definition, since you're taking someone else's name, and
using it as if it were your own. And whether or not the actual real person
is dead or alive isn't germane to this - you're still using their name, as
if it were your own.


  #67  
Old January 7th 19, 08:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill,

It is impersonating, by definition, since you're taking someone else's
name,


Lolz. There are *lots* of people name "bill". Why did you take mr. Gates,
Clintons, Murrays, Christals and Joels christian name (to name just a few
famous people) ?

Also, "Mark Twain" is 1) a pseudonym 2) something he took from a water-dept
measurement statement on the mississippi boats he worked on. Yes, thats
right, it was not his to begin with.

And no, its not. Only when you try to make others believe that you *are*
that other person its impersonation. Which does not even have to include
using someones name.

Lots of people share their christian *and* family name with other people,
most of which are not even known to them. I hope you're not going to claim
that means all of them are impersonating each other. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #68  
Old January 7th 19, 08:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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R.Wieser wrote:
Bill,

It is impersonating, by definition, since you're taking someone else's
name,


Lolz. There are *lots* of people name "bill". Why did you take mr.
Gates, Clintons, Murrays, Christals and Joels christian name (to name
just a few famous people) ?

Also, "Mark Twain" is 1) a pseudonym 2) something he took from a
water-dept measurement statement on the mississippi boats he worked on.
Yes, thats right, it was not his to begin with.

And no, its not. Only when you try to make others believe that you *are*
that other person its impersonation. Which does not even have to include
using someones name.

Lots of people share their christian *and* family name with other people,
most of which are not even known to them. I hope you're not going to
claim that means all of them are impersonating each other. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


Well Rudy, I still don't get it. It sure seems to me if I sign as Ernest
Hemingway, it's implying I think I'm Ernest Hemingway and sending that
message out. But maybe nowadays none of this stuff matters.

Signing as Bill or Joe or Sue is completely different. Because we are those
people.

I guess I'm too old fashioned. And that wouldn't surprise me in this day
and age.


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Old January 7th 19, 09:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill,

Well Rudy, I still don't get it. It sure seems to me if I sign as Ernest
Hemingway, it's implying I think I'm Ernest Hemingway.


I'm afraid that that "implies that" is your own projection of what you think
other people think. I for one never assumed our Mark Twain here was Samuel
Langhorne Clemens. For starters, the former one lives, and the latter one
died over a century ago.

But as I already mentioned, you are inconsistent: You have a problem with
someone sharing the Mark Twain name, but at the same time you do not seem to
have any with all those Bills, Joes and Sues doing the same. Somehow you
think that that is different, and I on my part do not understand that I'm
afraid.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old January 7th 19, 10:31 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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R.Wieser wrote:
Bill,

Well Rudy, I still don't get it. It sure seems to me if I sign as Ernest
Hemingway, it's implying I think I'm Ernest Hemingway.


I'm afraid that that "implies that" is your own projection of what you
think other people think. I for one never assumed our Mark Twain here
was Samuel Langhorne Clemens. For starters, the former one lives, and
the latter one died over a century ago.

But as I already mentioned, you are inconsistent: You have a problem with
someone sharing the Mark Twain name, but at the same time you do not seem
to have any with all those Bills, Joes and Sues doing the same. Somehow
you think that that is different, and I on my part do not
understand that I'm afraid.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


We have lots of Bills, Joes, and Sues. We only have one Ernest Hemingway
(AFAIK). I don't see the inconsistency.


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Old January 8th 19, 01:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Bill,

We have lots of Bills, Joes, and Sues. We only have one Ernest Hemingway
(AFAIK). I don't see the inconsistency.


And all those Bills, Joes and Sues all started with just a single other
person having the same name. Would that have been a problem then too ?
Would something change for you if there already where five Mark Twains
and/or Ernest Hemingways when you became aware of the re-use of that name ?
It seems to be that way for you for those Bills, Joes and Sues. Which
absolutily makes no sense to me.

You inconsistency is an arbitrary count. In assuming that sharing the same
name means impersonation. In having problems with re-use even if "Mark
Twain" and Ernest Hemmingway are both long dead.

And by the way, you took a bad example as Hemmingway is an actual family
name (which Twain is not), possibly shared with hundreds, if not thousands
other people.

But, I'm going to end our conversation here. You see, I do not see or have
a problem with names being re-used, regardless of if they where once worn by
famous people or not. You do (but do not seem to have a good idea why).
As such we will never see eye-to-eye I'm afraid. So, goodbye

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old January 8th 19, 07:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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R.Wieser wrote:
Bill,

We have lots of Bills, Joes, and Sues. We only have one Ernest
Hemingway (AFAIK). I don't see the inconsistency.


And all those Bills, Joes and Sues all started with just a single other
person having the same name. Would that have been a problem then too ?
Would something change for you if there already where five Mark Twains
and/or Ernest Hemingways when you became aware of the re-use of that name
? It seems to be that way for you for those Bills, Joes and Sues. Which
absolutily makes no sense to me.

You inconsistency is an arbitrary count. In assuming that sharing the
same name means impersonation. In having problems with re-use even if
"Mark Twain" and Ernest Hemmingway are both long dead.

And by the way, you took a bad example as Hemmingway is an actual family
name (which Twain is not), possibly shared with hundreds, if not thousands
other people.

But, I'm going to end our conversation here. You see, I do not see or
have a problem with names being re-used, regardless of if they where once
worn by famous people or not. You do (but do not seem to have a good
idea why). As such we will never see eye-to-eye I'm afraid. So, goodbye

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


OK. I think on this one, I am reminded of the refrain, "East is East, and
West is West, and never the twain shall meet". :-) Which seems ironically
applicable here. I will conclude by just saying that I don't feel you honor
the source by using their name, but instead, are just honoring yourself,
unless, of course, it really is your name. But that's just the way I see it.


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Old January 8th 19, 07:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Bill in Co
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OK. I think on this one, I am reminded of the refrain, "East is East, and
West is West, and never the twain shall meet". :-) Which seems ironically
applicable here. I will conclude by just saying that I don't feel you honor
the source by using their name, but instead, are just honoring yourself,
unless, of course, it really is your name. But that's just the way I see it.


I think I'll agree to disagree too, and thus cease argument (which has
been conducted with politeness, which makes a nice change), though I
incline more to Rudy's view more than yours. But I just thought, as a
parting shot, I'd try https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl, a
resource I use a lot for UK genealogy, and I can tell you that, between
1837 (actually first 1853, but the records go from 1837) and 1964
(FreeBMD's records actually go up to 199x), there were at least 65
Ernest Hemingway births registered in the UK; I imagine several are till
alive. (No Mark Twains though.)

J
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Old January 8th 19, 08:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
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OK. I think on this one, I am reminded of the refrain, "East is East,
and West is West, and never the twain shall meet". :-) Which seems
ironically applicable here. I will conclude by just saying that I don't
feel you honor the source by using their name, but instead, are just
honoring yourself, unless, of course, it really is your name. But that's
just the way I see it.

I think I'll agree to disagree too, and thus cease argument (which has
been conducted with politeness, which makes a nice change), though I
incline more to Rudy's view more than yours. But I just thought, as a
parting shot, I'd try https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl, a
resource I use a lot for UK genealogy, and I can tell you that, between
1837 (actually first 1853, but the records go from 1837) and 1964
(FreeBMD's records actually go up to 199x), there were at least 65
Ernest Hemingway births registered in the UK; I imagine several are till
alive. (No Mark Twains though.)


Just to be clear, IF my name were Ernest Hemingway, that would be fine. But
it's not. I could sign myself as Ernest Hemingway, but to me, that's being
disrespectful of him and his memory, because as I see it, I'm stealing his
identity for myself, as if it were my own. Pretending I am an Ernest
Hemingway since I signed my name that way, and wanting the recognition that
goes along with it. At any rate, that's just how I see it.


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Old January 8th 19, 08:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Bill in Co
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Just to be clear, IF my name were Ernest Hemingway, that would be fine. But
it's not. I could sign myself as Ernest Hemingway, but to me, that's being
disrespectful of him and his memory, because as I see it, I'm stealing his
identity for myself, as if it were my own. Pretending I am an Ernest
Hemingway since I signed my name that way, and wanting the recognition that
goes along with it. At any rate, that's just how I see it.

How about if you signed yourself "The Earnest Hemingway appreciation
society"?

I think that's what our "Mark Twain" meant - he respects and admires MT.
He's not pretending to _be_ MT, _nor_ trying to steal anything from him.
He's just using the modern tendency to shorten everything - like using
"app" for "application", "tab" for "tablet", even "'phone" for
"telephone", "TV" for "TV set", and so on.

JPG
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