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Old December 18th 18, 06:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default Images that display in IE, but not in Picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox)

Hello all,

I've got some (old) JPG and GIF images here that display in IE, but not in
picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox. The FreeImage DLL refuses them too).

What is causing it, and what can I change (to the image) to fix it (other
than trying to pull them thru some image convertor) ?

Or, said otherwise: What is different to such JPG and GIF images that allows
them to display on IE, but not on/in three other programs (ok, two and a DLL
:-) )

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old December 18th 18, 07:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Images that display in IE, but not in Picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox)

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 9:01:47 AM UTC-8, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello all,

I've got some (old) JPG and GIF images here that display in IE, but not in
picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox. The FreeImage DLL refuses them too).

What is causing it, and what can I change (to the image) to fix it (other
than trying to pull them thru some image convertor) ?

Or, said otherwise: What is different to such JPG and GIF images that allows
them to display on IE, but not on/in three other programs (ok, two and a DLL
:-) )

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


Will loading them into MSPaint and re-saving them make them work?
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Old December 18th 18, 07:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Images that display in IE, but not in Picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox)

James,

Will loading them into MSPaint and re-saving them make
them work?


Alas: "Paint cannot read this file". IE stil displays it just fine though
(too bad I can't re-save it from there ...).

It looks like IE uses an image-handling library different from what Paint
(and picture and fax viewer) do.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old December 18th 18, 08:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
John Dulak[_2_]
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Default Images that display in IE, but not in Picture-and-fax viewer(nor FireFox)

On 12/18/2018 12:01 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
Hello all,

I've got some (old) JPG and GIF images here that display in IE, but not in
picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox. The FreeImage DLL refuses them too).

What is causing it, and what can I change (to the image) to fix it (other
than trying to pull them thru some image convertor) ?

Or, said otherwise: What is different to such JPG and GIF images that allows
them to display on IE, but not on/in three other programs (ok, two and a DLL
:-) )

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



Rudy:

Were the images generated via a scanner?

I once had some B&W photographs I scanned and chose a number of shades of gray
greater than 256. Tried to load them onto a photo frame display and they would
not display but the color scans would. That tipped me to what was going on.

Perhaps your problem is similar.

HTH & GL

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Old December 18th 18, 09:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , R.Wieser
writes:
James,

Will loading them into MSPaint and re-saving them make
them work?


(Can XP's version of paint handle other than .bmp?)

Alas: "Paint cannot read this file". IE stil displays it just fine though
(too bad I can't re-save it from there ...).


Screenshot - or is it bigger than the window?

It looks like IE uses an image-handling library different from what Paint
(and picture and fax viewer) do.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

I'd strongly recommend IrfanView - even the current version (4.52) still
supports XP. (Get the 32-bit version, of course - and the associated
plugin set.)

https://www.irfanview.info/files/iview452_setup.exe and
https://www.fosshub.com/IrfanView.ht...gins_setup.exe . It's
quite tolerant of corrupted JPEGs, should allow saves if it can load
them, and will give quite a lot of information (the EXIF, any comments
[in the JPEGs], number of colours, assorted dates, ...). But mainly,
it's a very good (IMO) viewer - and even editor. (And the basic file
above is still well under 3 MB!)
JPG
===


How about a three-way referendum, allowing second choices?
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Old December 19th 18, 08:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Images that display in IE, but not in Picture-and-fax viewer (nor FireFox)

John,

I once had some B&W photographs I scanned and chose a number of shades of
gray greater than 256. Tried to load them onto a photo frame display and
they would not display but the color scans would. That tipped me to what
was going on.


I can't say what the difference exactly is. As mentioned, I've got some GIF
but also JPG images that are rejected by several programs but IE. Some of
them are B/W, others are color.

As for your situation, I cannot quite imagine what was causing it. A
limitation of the viewer to 256 color/grayshades perhaps ? But than why
didn't it replace some nearby grayshades to a single one ... Even my
thanwhile (DOS era) SEA image viewer did that, even for color images
(sometimes didn't look that great, but you could view them).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



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Old December 19th 18, 11:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Images that display in IE, but not in Picture-and-fax viewer(nor FireFox)

R.Wieser wrote:
John,

I once had some B&W photographs I scanned and chose a number of shades of
gray greater than 256. Tried to load them onto a photo frame display and
they would not display but the color scans would. That tipped me to what
was going on.


I can't say what the difference exactly is. As mentioned, I've got some GIF
but also JPG images that are rejected by several programs but IE. Some of
them are B/W, others are color.

As for your situation, I cannot quite imagine what was causing it. A
limitation of the viewer to 256 color/grayshades perhaps ? But than why
didn't it replace some nearby grayshades to a single one ... Even my
thanwhile (DOS era) SEA image viewer did that, even for color images
(sometimes didn't look that great, but you could view them).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


How did your Irfanview tests go ?

Paul

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Old December 19th 18, 12:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Paul,

How did your Irfanview tests go ?


With all due respect, but I already mentioned three different programs that
would not accept the images, and one that does. What more proof do you need
?

In other words what should I try IrfanView for ?

If its just about being able to view the images I can simply assign IE to
the involved extensions and be done with it (wouldn't like it though).

If you are hinting at image conversion, I've mentioned that I see such an
action as a last-ditch option (doesn't mean that I'm not already
investigating it. The build-in GdiPlus DLL shows some promiss).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old December 19th 18, 02:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ian Jackson[_4_]
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In message , R.Wieser
writes
Paul,

How did your Irfanview tests go ?


With all due respect, but I already mentioned three different programs that
would not accept the images, and one that does. What more proof do you need
?

In other words what should I try IrfanView for ?

If its just about being able to view the images I can simply assign IE to
the involved extensions and be done with it (wouldn't like it though).

If you are hinting at image conversion, I've mentioned that I see such an
action as a last-ditch option (doesn't mean that I'm not already
investigating it. The build-in GdiPlus DLL shows some promiss).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Unless there's a good reason not to, what about simply sending the
images to someone else to try and open?
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Old December 19th 18, 04:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , R.Wieser
writes
Paul,

How did your Irfanview tests go ?


With all due respect, but I already mentioned three different programs
that
would not accept the images, and one that does. What more proof do you
need
?

In other words what should I try IrfanView for ?

If its just about being able to view the images I can simply assign IE to
the involved extensions and be done with it (wouldn't like it though).

If you are hinting at image conversion, I've mentioned that I see such an
action as a last-ditch option (doesn't mean that I'm not already
investigating it. The build-in GdiPlus DLL shows some promiss).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Unless there's a good reason not to, what about simply sending the
images to someone else to try and open?


Even if they were posted to an image upload site, there's
a chance the site won't modify them. Unless they
tripped an AV scanner perhaps. Some sites have
"original download" so you can get a preserved copy.

Paul
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Old December 19th 18, 07:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ian,

what about simply sending the images to someone else to try and open?


Why ? As I said, I can open them myself using IE. What *extra* info
would be generated by other people being able to (not) open the image ?
Other than being able to read a bunch of "but it works when I use {fill in
random program}" responses I mean.

As you might tell, I'm not a proponent of fishing expeditions. But if you
have an idea (and how to confirm it) than please do tell.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old December 19th 18, 08:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , R.Wieser
writes:
Paul,

How did your Irfanview tests go ?


With all due respect, but I already mentioned three different programs that
would not accept the images, and one that does. What more proof do you need
?

In other words what should I try IrfanView for ?


Apart from that it's a dedicated image viewer, and opens a LOT quicker -
and with less fuss - than IE, it also can tell you a lot _about_ the
image: colour depth (or greyscale equivalent), number of colours, and
probably other things, which I'm pretty sure IE can't. (AFAICR, IE
_might_ tell you the size in pixels, but that's all. Knowing these sorts
of things might help you work out just what it is that is unusual about
these images. (Other image viewers may do the same, but [a] you've tried
a couple that didn't, [b] IV - IMO and that of several others - is a
good one of its type [and may help with other troublesome images too; I
recently sent someone a .pcx file his viewer couldn't - can IE? - and IV
did].)

If its just about being able to view the images I can simply assign IE to
the involved extensions and be done with it (wouldn't like it though).


No, I would never think of using a browser as my default viewer for any
type of image! It would be a bit like using a DVD player to play CDs; I
don't think I've ever come across a DVD player that _can't_ play CDs,
but ... (-:

If you are hinting at image conversion, I've mentioned that I see such an
action as a last-ditch option (doesn't mean that I'm not already
investigating it. The build-in GdiPlus DLL shows some promiss).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old December 19th 18, 09:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ian Jackson[_4_]
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In message , R.Wieser
writes
Ian,

what about simply sending the images to someone else to try and open?


Why ? As I said, I can open them myself using IE. What *extra* info
would be generated by other people being able to (not) open the image ?
Other than being able to read a bunch of "but it works when I use {fill in
random program}" responses I mean.

As you might tell, I'm not a proponent of fishing expeditions. But if you
have an idea (and how to confirm it) than please do tell.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

You don't seem to be very appreciative of sensible suggestions - of
which sending some of the problem pictures to someone for try under the
same conditions seems to me to be a perfect example. It might help
determining whether if something strange with the files, or if it was
your PC.
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Old December 20th 18, 08:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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John,

Apart from that it's a dedicated image viewer, and opens a LOT quicker -
and with less fuss - than IE,


Not what I was-or-am looking for.

it also can tell you a lot _about_ the image: colour depth (or greyscale
equivalent), number of colours,


That I can do by simply looking at the JPEGs or GIFs header.

and probably other things, which I'm pretty sure IE can't


And thats just guesswork.


I do not really like to put a program on my 'puter just to "have a look" and
be removed 15 minutes later. *Especially not* when it needs to install
itself, most always meaning it drops stuff all over my OS and registry.

What I would have found interresting would have been an ability to tell me
the actual encoding of the image, (which I now strongly suspect plays a role
here) enabeling me to determine why the images are viewable in one, but not
another image-viewer program.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
If push-comes-to-shove my current experiments seems to show that I can
re-encode the images using the GDI+ DLL. The resulting JPGs even seem to
become smaller, with no discernible visible differences.


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Old December 20th 18, 09:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ian,

You don't seem to be very appreciative of sensible suggestions


I'm just not very appreciative of suggestions which do not show a path to
an(y) answer.

of which sending some of the problem pictures to someone for try under the
same conditions seems to me to be a perfect example.


In other words, you doubt - without stating a reason for it - my findings.
I find that offensive.

Besides, I've mentioned two by default with the OS installed programs (IE
and image and fax viewer) with which there is little to nothing I can have
done wrong (either a drag-and-drop or a double-click of the involved image)
that you would be able to do right.

So, what would your "test" of doing the same and getting the same results
prove ? Absolutily nothing.

The only thing that could happen is you getting a different result and,
after much squabbeling, realize that your version of either of the above
programs does not match what I'm using. And what would that have proven ?
Again, absolutily nothing.

It might help determining whether if something strange with the files, or
if it was your PC.


Or you could have just asked.

In that case I could have told you that several of those images go way back
over several OS versions (including DOS) and hardware, and several
re-installations of those versions, and I've noticed this "works in IE, but
not another program" before. I think I can quite confidently state that
its not my current PC.

Yes, its something "strange" with the files. Most likely a certain type of
encoding/compression thats not universially supported.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


 




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