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On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 10:01:01 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 4:26:46 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: I see what you mean by the 'L' now.... I'll open the 780 up and have a look and take pics but the OKGear Sata cable still only (1) HD connection and we need (2). Robert Your motherboard has four SATA connectors total, that I can see in a picture of the motherboard. The data cables have a *one-to-one* relationship. SATA1 --------------- HDD1 SATA2 --------------- HDD2 SATA3 --------------- Optical drive SATA4 --------------- Optical drive Therefore, we want a data cable with *one* connector on each end. Unlike the ribbon cable era, with two connectors on the end of the ribbon, SATA has only *one*. It's point to point, high speed serial. That's why the cable can be thin. ******* SATA does support FIS, which allows more than one drive to be put on a single cable. The standard supports up to 15 drives off one cable. The silicon available for this, supports 5 drives as a practical choice (from a bandwidth perspective). The hardware is a small box, which would not be a convenient formfactor for inside a PC. Mobo SATA --------- FIS ------ SATA1 Box ------ SATA2 ------ SATA3 ------ SATA4 ------ SATA5 The cables are *still* one-to-one. But the box handles "fan-out". It allows a motherboard with four SATA connectors, to support *20* drives total. I have yet to run into someone who has bought one of those boxes. I think the boxes were around $100 each when they were new. This shows the printed circuit board of a port multiplier. With the one chip that multiplexes things. These only work with FIS-capable SATA ports on other pieces of equipment. Not only do you have to look up and see whether your computer has that... but you also have to test that it really works. https://www.amazon.com/Misszhang-US-.../dp/B07NW7XD9Z When Port Multipliers first came out, they were packaged like this. http://www.satacable.com/cosapomubrso.html Paul Oh, I get it now,.. here are some pics of the end of the cable. https://postimg.cc/Cz488RDY https://postimg.cc/CzDgr8JT https://postimg.cc/JHH55MNm https://postimg.cc/5YTw0TZr Robert It occurs to me, that the drives are upside-down in the dual rack area. When I hold a drive right-side-up (label upwards), the power connector is on the left. In your pictures, the daisy chained power cable is on the right. So the drives must be upside-down for that current cabling scheme to work. Compare this right-angle cable to yours. Check the length, leave enough slack to reach the other two motherboard SATA connectors. Since the drive seems upside-down, it's probably a right-angle connector. https://www.newegg.com/red-startech-...82E16812200048 Paul 24 inches seems the right length but I'll open it up again and and get a approximate measurement to make sure. Where on the motherboard am I'm plugging this in? For example to the right of the Intel chip? or is it along the edge where the blue and orange cable are plugged in? Thanks, Robert The picture of the 780 motherboard I found, shows four SATA connectors, and my assumption is they all come from the Southbridge chip (which is near to them). You can use any one of the four SATA ports. Two are used currently (one HDD, one optical drive). That leaves two others. Just use which ever one is convenient. Paul |
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On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 8:06:02 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 10:01:01 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 4:26:46 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: I see what you mean by the 'L' now.... I'll open the 780 up and have a look and take pics but the OKGear Sata cable still only (1) HD connection and we need (2). Robert Your motherboard has four SATA connectors total, that I can see in a picture of the motherboard. The data cables have a *one-to-one* relationship. SATA1 --------------- HDD1 SATA2 --------------- HDD2 SATA3 --------------- Optical drive SATA4 --------------- Optical drive Therefore, we want a data cable with *one* connector on each end. Unlike the ribbon cable era, with two connectors on the end of the ribbon, SATA has only *one*. It's point to point, high speed serial. That's why the cable can be thin. ******* SATA does support FIS, which allows more than one drive to be put on a single cable. The standard supports up to 15 drives off one cable. The silicon available for this, supports 5 drives as a practical choice (from a bandwidth perspective). The hardware is a small box, which would not be a convenient formfactor for inside a PC. Mobo SATA --------- FIS ------ SATA1 Box ------ SATA2 ------ SATA3 ------ SATA4 ------ SATA5 The cables are *still* one-to-one. But the box handles "fan-out". It allows a motherboard with four SATA connectors, to support *20* drives total. I have yet to run into someone who has bought one of those boxes. I think the boxes were around $100 each when they were new. This shows the printed circuit board of a port multiplier. With the one chip that multiplexes things. These only work with FIS-capable SATA ports on other pieces of equipment. Not only do you have to look up and see whether your computer has that... but you also have to test that it really works. https://www.amazon.com/Misszhang-US-.../dp/B07NW7XD9Z When Port Multipliers first came out, they were packaged like this. http://www.satacable.com/cosapomubrso.html Paul Oh, I get it now,.. here are some pics of the end of the cable. https://postimg.cc/Cz488RDY https://postimg.cc/CzDgr8JT https://postimg.cc/JHH55MNm https://postimg.cc/5YTw0TZr Robert It occurs to me, that the drives are upside-down in the dual rack area. When I hold a drive right-side-up (label upwards), the power connector is on the left. In your pictures, the daisy chained power cable is on the right. So the drives must be upside-down for that current cabling scheme to work. Compare this right-angle cable to yours. Check the length, leave enough slack to reach the other two motherboard SATA connectors. Since the drive seems upside-down, it's probably a right-angle connector. https://www.newegg.com/red-startech-...82E16812200048 Paul 24 inches seems the right length but I'll open it up again and and get a approximate measurement to make sure. Where on the motherboard am I'm plugging this in? For example to the right of the Intel chip? or is it along the edge where the blue and orange cable are plugged in? Thanks, Robert The picture of the 780 motherboard I found, shows four SATA connectors, and my assumption is they all come from the Southbridge chip (which is near to them). You can use any one of the four SATA ports. Two are used currently (one HDD, one optical drive). That leaves two others. Just use which ever one is convenient. Paul I opened up the 780 and using the present data cable as a guide and allowing for extra length to connect to the second HD it's approx 22 1/2 inches. So the 24" StarTech is a perfect fit. Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert |
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Robert in CA writes: [] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells |
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Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Thanks for the link.. it looks like the one Paul provided earlier. This time I bookmarked it. Robert |
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[] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
[] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell "Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009. Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017. As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub (https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development. As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell and can be found he https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu " So that link gets me source code. Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance and not from github. Virustotal scan is clean. https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection It looks like this. https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif Paul |
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: [] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell "Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009. Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017. As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub (https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development. As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell and can be found he https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu " So that link gets me source code. Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance and not from github. Virustotal scan is clean. https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection It looks like this. https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif Paul Very cool, I would have never found it and thanks for the download link! I'll order the cable and then hook it all up. btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? I'll let you know when I get everything hooked up. Many thanks, Robert |
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: [] Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something? Thanks, Robert There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known - http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate. Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista, or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the "up"dates, for example.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? Robert For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell "Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009. Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017. As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub (https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development. As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell and can be found he https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu " So that link gets me source code. Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance and not from github. Virustotal scan is clean. https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection It looks like this. https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif Paul I also like Wikipedia. Robert |
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Robert in CA writes: On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: [] Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? [] Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...wnload/v4.4.13 1/OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes [] Thanks for that, Paul. Having said that, the version on the original website may have stopped development, but I'm using it, and it works well: since 7 stopped development a while back too ... though I have downloaded 4_4_131 (I assume that includes a 32-bit setup as well) and _might_ get round to looking at what's been added (-: btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Robert in CA writes: btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] Likely to be "screen recording". The single photo I took of the ClassicShell (OpenShell) was done with "snippingtool.exe", a part of the OS in probably Win7/8/10. While they threatened to change it in Windows 10, I don't know if they've carried through on that threat yet. CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but the "promoter" of that tool is not a developer, and the output format was (at the time) limited to AVI. And AVI has issues (like when the file size goes past 4GB). CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing a file, to prevent compiling your own version. Programs can be "unnecessarily complicated" or "unnecessarily inconvenient". I tried Expression Encoder (can run in trial mode) from Microsoft, and the setup is brutal. So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options. Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is probably part of their Cloud software. I'm not even interested in the business terms, let alone evaluating it. When I run an OS in Virtualbox, as in the example photo of ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can select without too much trouble. It records in .webm and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder needs a Q adjustment to sharpen it up.) The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that one either in any detail. It's command line, and that means some work when using it. For Microsoft, that's a missed opportunity, but of course they'd record in .wmv anyway and then it would take half the day to find a video editor to put it in some other format. I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is "enough of an experience", and video will have to wait for another day. Most of the stuff I have here is rubbish for video. The Linux "SimpleScreenRecorder" is good, but it's not a Windows program. It uses FFMPEG as a back end, for selecting a good video codec for output. (FFMPEG is hidden from you - there are no commands to enter). And it uses its own screen capture subroutine, to achieve better lipsync on audio and video (if you were recording a Youtube video from the screen for example). Now, someone could port that to Windows with QT5 and use GDIgrab or something, but that would be a lot of work, and use basically the same open source subroutines that IceCreamScreenRecorder (Windows) uses. Paul |
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On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: [] Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? [] Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...wnload/v4.4.13 1/OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes [] Thanks for that, Paul. Having said that, the version on the original website may have stopped development, but I'm using it, and it works well: since 7 stopped development a while back too ... though I have downloaded 4_4_131 (I assume that includes a 32-bit setup as well) and _might_ get round to looking at what's been added (-: btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron That's why I always go to Paul for downloads etc and he knows my history and system very well. Robert |
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btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] Likely to be "screen recording". The single photo I took of the ClassicShell (OpenShell) was done with "snippingtool.exe", a part of the OS in probably Win7/8/10. While they threatened to change it in Windows 10, I don't know if they've carried through on that threat yet. CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but the "promoter" of that tool is not a developer, and the output format was (at the time) limited to AVI. And AVI has issues (like when the file size goes past 4GB). CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing a file, to prevent compiling your own version. Programs can be "unnecessarily complicated" or "unnecessarily inconvenient". I tried Expression Encoder (can run in trial mode) from Microsoft, and the setup is brutal. So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options. Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is probably part of their Cloud software. I'm not even interested in the business terms, let alone evaluating it. When I run an OS in Virtualbox, as in the example photo of ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can select without too much trouble. It records in .webm and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder needs a Q adjustment to sharpen it up.) The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that one either in any detail. It's command line, and that means some work when using it. For Microsoft, that's a missed opportunity, but of course they'd record in .wmv anyway and then it would take half the day to find a video editor to put it in some other format. I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is "enough of an experience", and video will have to wait for another day. Most of the stuff I have here is rubbish for video. The Linux "SimpleScreenRecorder" is good, but it's not a Windows program. It uses FFMPEG as a back end, for selecting a good video codec for output. (FFMPEG is hidden from you - there are no commands to enter). And it uses its own screen capture subroutine, to achieve better lipsync on audio and video (if you were recording a Youtube video from the screen for example). Now, someone could port that to Windows with QT5 and use GDIgrab or something, but that would be a lot of work, and use basically the same open source subroutines that IceCreamScreenRecorder (Windows) uses. Hmmmm..CamStudio seemed a good choice until I read further. So there isn't a really a decent program and as you say we'll have to wait. I agree a real missed opportunity! With regards to static shots I just use screenshots and save them as .jpg files and they turn out well. I think also I'm switching to PostImage vs Tinypic. There's no pop-ups and the quality is much better. Thanks, Robert |
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Robert in CA writes: btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] Likely to be "screen recording". (I assume since you haven't said otherwise that that _was_ what you were asking about.) [] CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but [] CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing a file, to prevent compiling your own version. Sneaky )-: [] So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options. Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is [] ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can select without too much trouble. It records in .webm and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder [] The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people [Seems that can do anything (-:] will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that one either in any detail. It's command line, and that means some work when using it. [] FWIW I found "Debut Video Capture" was OK the one time I wanted such software, but (a) it did what I wanted then so I've not looked at anything else, (b) if it still exists, the current product may have little resemblance to the one I used. [And (c) it may well have ffmpeg at its core anyway - last time I Everythinged ffmpeg, I found I had lots of copies, inside other software!] I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is "enough of an experience", and video will have to To the extent that I've never learnt what extra it gives me over Alt-PrtScn (note: not just PrtScn) followed by trimming in IrfanView. [] With regards to static shots I just use screenshots and save them as .jpg files and they turn out well. I think also I'm switching to PostImage vs Tinypic. There's no pop-ups and the quality is much better. Good, I really find Tinypic a pain to use (as a recipient; as a poster, I just put things on my [tiny] website). Thanks, Robert YW (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. -Ambrose Bierce, writer (1842-1914) |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: [] Above the download button it says that Classic Shell is no longer in active development but I assume I could still use it? [] Whereas this link finds the executable needed. https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...wnload/v4.4.13 1/OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes [] Thanks for that, Paul. Having said that, the version on the original website may have stopped development, but I'm using it, and it works well: since 7 stopped development a while back too ... though I have downloaded 4_4_131 (I assume that includes a 32-bit setup as well) and _might_ get round to looking at what's been added (-: btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron That's why I always go to Paul for downloads etc and he knows my history and system very well. Robert I'm sure someone knows of a better video recorder for desktop than I do. I always seem to test the bad ones. I got a copy of CamStudio before they put adware in it, and that's why I could test it :-/ Paul |
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btw since I have your attention,. is there a way to record from the computer to a device or drive or flash key or something? Record what? [] Likely to be "screen recording". (I assume since you haven't said otherwise that that _was_ what you were asking about.) [] CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but [] CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing a file, to prevent compiling your own version. Sneaky )-: [] So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options. Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is [] ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can select without too much trouble. It records in .webm and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder [] The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people [Seems that can do anything (-:] will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that one either in any detail. It's command line, and that means some work when using it. [] FWIW I found "Debut Video Capture" was OK the one time I wanted such software, but (a) it did what I wanted then so I've not looked at anything else, (b) if it still exists, the current product may have little resemblance to the one I used. [And (c) it may well have ffmpeg at its core anyway - last time I Everythinged ffmpeg, I found I had lots of copies, inside other software!] I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is "enough of an experience", and video will have to To the extent that I've never learnt what extra it gives me over Alt-PrtScn (note: not just PrtScn) followed by trimming in IrfanView. [] With regards to static shots I just use screenshots and save them as .jpg files and they turn out well. I think also I'm switching to PostImage vs Tinypic. There's no pop-ups and the quality is much better. Good, I really find Tinypic a pain to use (as a recipient; as a poster, I just put things on my [tiny] website). Thanks, Robert YW (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. -Ambrose Bierce, writer (1842-1914) I used to make miscellaneous VHS tapes with all sorts of programs on them. With the advent of DVD's I've lost those programs. I've managed to find some of them online on YouTube etc. and would to record them somehow because I've found that over time some links no longer work and the documentary can no longer be found, at least in the original version. Robert |
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