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Firefox SECRETLY storing your login credentials?
nospam wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: https://youtu.be/C7H3V7tkxeA that just states it's theoretically possible, which is true. We agreed on that point last time. what it neglects to mention is that there are *multiple* checks to prevent it from happening, *all* of which would need to be bypassed. In fact it does mention all the board level tests that are done, and goes on to say it'd be easier for the TLA agencies to divert specific servers during delivery and mod them. |
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In article , Andy Burns
wrote: https://youtu.be/C7H3V7tkxeA that just states it's theoretically possible, which is true. We agreed on that point last time. what it neglects to mention is that there are *multiple* checks to prevent it from happening, *all* of which would need to be bypassed. In fact it does mention all the board level tests that are done, and goes on to say it'd be easier for the TLA agencies to divert specific servers during delivery and mod them. except that still won't get past the numerous other checks that are in place. a *lot* of people would need to be in on the plan, with not a single person leaking anything, to anyone. nobody has found anything unusual when specifically looking for something to corroborate the story, from numerous investigations. all it takes is supplying one affected board. just one. it's yet another fake news story from bloomberg. it's what they do. |
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nospam wrote:
it's yet another fake news story from bloomberg. I'm agreeing with you. |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:09:18 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: David B. wrote: nospam wrote: bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated. Recent CCC presentation https://youtu.be/C7H3V7tkxeA Thanks. The gist: yes, it can be done, yes, if I were to do it that's how I'd do it, BUT, there are much much easier ways to go about it and the system is so riddled with multiple security flaws that it makes more sense to use software and hide that in some of the pre-existing firmware. |
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On 04/01/2019 18:50, default wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:09:18 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: David B. wrote: nospam wrote: bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated. Recent CCC presentation https://youtu.be/C7H3V7tkxeA Thanks. The gist: yes, it can be done, yes, if I were to do it that's how I'd do it, BUT, there are much much easier ways to go about it and the system is so riddled with multiple security flaws that it makes more sense to use software and hide that in some of the pre-existing firmware. If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? -- David B. |
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In article , David B.
wrote: If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? average computer users aren't buying the products bloomberg claims to be affected. |
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On 04/01/2019 19:09, nospam wrote:
In article , David B. wrote: If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? average computer users aren't buying the products bloomberg claims to be affected. I've not seen a list of such products. You obviously HAVE seen such a list or you'd not be able to substantiate your claim. Please provide a link to the relevant product list. My Apple iMac was made in China. How can I be *SURE* that there is no malware resident in the machine, details of which I know nothing? If it is *hiding in firmware*, no AV or Malwarebytes scan will find it! -- David B. |
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In article , David B.
wrote: If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? average computer users aren't buying the products bloomberg claims to be affected. I've not seen a list of such products. You obviously HAVE seen such a list or you'd not be able to substantiate your claim. Please provide a link to the relevant product list. do your own legwork. My Apple iMac was made in China. not necessarily. most are, but not all of them, especially with tariffs on key components. https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/03/th...y-apple-in-cal ifornia-assembled-in-usa/ How can I be *SURE* that there is no malware resident in the machine, details of which I know nothing? given your obsession with all things malware, it's best you immediately cease using your imac, smash it into many pieces, grind it into a fine powder, seal it in a hazmat container and then safely dispose of it. be sure to wear protection when doing so. you can't be too safe. If it is *hiding in firmware*, no AV or Malwarebytes scan will find it! false. |
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On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 18:57:57 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote: On 04/01/2019 18:50, default wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 09:09:18 +0000, Andy Burns wrote: David B. wrote: nospam wrote: bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated. Recent CCC presentation https://youtu.be/C7H3V7tkxeA Thanks. The gist: yes, it can be done, yes, if I were to do it that's how I'd do it, BUT, there are much much easier ways to go about it and the system is so riddled with multiple security flaws that it makes more sense to use software and hide that in some of the pre-existing firmware. If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? The average computer user doesn't stand a chance. Of course the "average" user isn't likely to be maintaining a server farm either, which is what the Bloomberg article was about. The Equifax security breach ran for months before it was discovered, when it was discovered, they stayed silent about it for a month and a half. That affected some 150 million people - you don't even have to own a computer to be screwed. |
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On Jan 4, 2019, nospam wrote
(in ) : In , David B. wrote: If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? average computer users aren't buying the products bloomberg claims to be affected. I've not seen a list of such products. You obviously HAVE seen such a list or you'd not be able to substantiate your claim. Please provide a link to the relevant product list. do your own legwork. My Apple iMac was made in China. not necessarily. most are, but not all of them, especially with tariffs on key components. https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/03/th...y-apple-in-cal ifornia-assembled-in-usa/ How can I be *SURE* that there is no malware resident in the machine, details of which I know nothing? given your obsession with all things malware, it's best you immediately cease using your imac, smash it into many pieces, grind it into a fine powder, seal it in a hazmat container and then safely dispose of it. be sure to wear protection when doing so. you can't be too safe. If it is *hiding in firmware*, no AV or Malwarebytes scan will find it! false. Why does David B.’s paranoia remind me of Gene Hackman’s role in the 1974 movie “The Conversation”? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 04/01/2019 23:24, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 4, 2019, nospam wrote (in ) : In , David B. wrote: If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? average computer users aren't buying the products bloomberg claims to be affected. I've not seen a list of such products. You obviously HAVE seen such a list or you'd not be able to substantiate your claim. Please provide a link to the relevant product list. do your own legwork. My Apple iMac was made in China. not necessarily. most are, but not all of them, especially with tariffs on key components. https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/03/th...y-apple-in-cal ifornia-assembled-in-usa/ How can I be *SURE* that there is no malware resident in the machine, details of which I know nothing? given your obsession with all things malware, it's best you immediately cease using your imac, smash it into many pieces, grind it into a fine powder, seal it in a hazmat container and then safely dispose of it. be sure to wear protection when doing so. you can't be too safe. If it is *hiding in firmware*, no AV or Malwarebytes scan will find it! false. Why does David B.’s paranoia remind me of Gene Hackman’s role in the 1974 movie “The Conversation”? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation Persistence, perhaps? You're not going to believe this, Savageduck! ;-) I searched for that film last night and then went here to watch:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f92ODOjfukM I went here, too:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrhRsZ56b4g Within moments, my connection to the Internet failed! The normal blue light on my router had turned green! I restarted my iMac and checked my router. By then the light was blue again - all normal. I reconnected to the Internet and went to a few random web pages, all of which worked as expected. I then revisited the links I've already shown above - GollyGosh! I lost contact with the Internet yet again! My router showed a green light again! shock I turned OFF my iMac, *completely*, and went to bed. That's all 100% true! This morning, my iMac was already on and ready for me to log on! :-) I've chatted to a lovely lady in India today - an employee of BT? Who can tell? She said there was nothing untoward showing in the router records but asked me to reset my router to factory conditions anyway. This I did and all is - apparently - working just as it should be! :-) -- David B. |
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In article , David B.
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On 04/01/2019 23:24, Savageduck wrote:
On Jan 4, 2019, nospam wrote (in ) : In , David B. wrote: If such rogue software *IS* hidden in pre-existing firmware, how would an 'average computer user' ever know it was there? average computer users aren't buying the products bloomberg claims to be affected. I've not seen a list of such products. You obviously HAVE seen such a list or you'd not be able to substantiate your claim. Please provide a link to the relevant product list. do your own legwork. My Apple iMac was made in China. not necessarily. most are, but not all of them, especially with tariffs on key components. https://techcrunch.com/2012/12/03/th...y-apple-in-cal ifornia-assembled-in-usa/ How can I be *SURE* that there is no malware resident in the machine, details of which I know nothing? given your obsession with all things malware, it's best you immediately cease using your imac, smash it into many pieces, grind it into a fine powder, seal it in a hazmat container and then safely dispose of it. be sure to wear protection when doing so. you can't be too safe. If it is *hiding in firmware*, no AV or Malwarebytes scan will find it! false. Why does David B.’s paranoia remind me of Gene Hackman’s role in the 1974 movie “The Conversation”? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=154688659100 -- David B. |
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