Not in Google Groups

I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to

https://groups.google.com/forum/

and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8

and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search
a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it.

Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem
to carry this group.

Thanks.
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

On 06-Sep-2013 15:52, CRNG wrote:
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to

https://groups.google.com/forum/

and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8

and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search
a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it.

Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem
to carry this group.

Thanks.


Try this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!search/$20alt.comp.os.windows-8|sort:date


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Leala.

CRNG wrote:
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to

https://groups.google.com/forum/

and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8

and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search
a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it.

Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem
to carry this group.

Thanks.

Newsflash.

Surprise! Google isn't very clever.

*******

There is no mechanism, to tell them to archive
new alt.* groups. As far as I know, control messages
for things in alt.* would likely be ignored in any case.

And you can't really communicate with Google, perish the
thought. Even if you did reach a human, I can't see them
getting off their lazy rumps, to fix this.

Paul

Leala wrote:
On 06-Sep-2013 15:52, CRNG wrote:
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to

https://groups.google.com/forum/

and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8

and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search
a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it.

Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem
to carry this group.

Thanks.


Try this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!search/$20alt.comp.os.windows-8|sort:date


It is true, that messages cross-posted to Windows-8, will
get archived.

But then, the archive is far from complete. Because not every
thread occurring in alt.comp.os.windows-8, is cross-posted.

Messages posted only to alt.comp.os.windows-8 , should not be archived.

Paul

CRNG wrote:

I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to

https://groups.google.com/forum/

and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came
up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG
archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I
did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to
carry this group.

You're learning. Google doesn't carry binary newsgroups. Google
doesn't carry all text newsgroups, either. There are web-based-only
*forums* called Google Groups and there is the Usenet archive also
called Google Groups. Google likes to confuse the two by jumbling them
all together.

Google Groups has long devolved from the Usenet archive they acquired
(DejaNews). They have their own agenda, like pretending Usenet is akin
to their web-for-boobs forums. Hell, just go to groups.google.com and
try to find the advanced search page. It's still available at
groups.google.com/advanced_search but good luck trying to find a web
navigation path from their home page to there.

Usenet is ancient but Google is stuck trying to compete with Yahoo!
Groups circa 1998 despite starting out with the DejaNews acquisition.
Google's mindset is on forums and long ago drifted away from Usenet
which they apparently now consider a bane to support because content is
not under their direct control as it vastly originates outside in the
world-wide NNTP mesh network.

Google is big. Big doesn't necessarily equate to good. Google sucks at
a lot of stuff. It was 5 years in beta for Gmail and still that service
doesn't provide decent server-side client-defined filters or rules
(you're stuck using their crappy search syntax). Many years ago you
could specify +word in a search to guarantee that word would be present
in each search hit but they dropped that and now you're supposed to use
"word" even for a 1-word phrase; however, that criteria stopped being
honored several years ago so terms you mandate MUST appear in search
results do not appear in each hit. Their web search has devolved into a
"Do You Feel Lucky Today With A Hundreds-Billion Results Search". Every
time you visit their Google search page they blue-bar prompt you to make
them your home page, a spammed irritation that pushes a lot of users
over to Bing or elsewhere.

Google gets so big and then falters rather than acquire additional
expertise to progress further. Google emulates the government in that
both follow the Peter principle (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle):
Employees rise to their level of incompetence and there they remain.
Peter's Corollary states that "every post tends to be eventually get
occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties" and
adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet
reached their level of incompetence." Google's ineptitude, evil covert
intentions, or unwilligness to properly support Usenet is killing the
usefulness of their Usenet archive. They are trying to fold their
Usenet archive into their other incompatible or dissimilar services.

"I know engineers. They l-o-v-e to change things."
(Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTbwlqX6Rmg

"The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that
is the dominant factor in society today."
(Issac Asimov)

"Change doesn't mean better. It just means different." (me).

On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:09:21 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re Not in Google Groups:

There is no mechanism, to tell them to archive
new alt.* groups. As far as I know, control messages
for things in alt.* would likely be ignored in any case.

Ok, that explains why there seems to be so many "missing" groups.

Is there any other way of searching the archive of the many groups not
carried by Google?
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

CRNG wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:09:21 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re Not in Google Groups:

There is no mechanism, to tell them to archive
new alt.* groups. As far as I know, control messages
for things in alt.* would likely be ignored in any case.

Ok, that explains why there seems to be so many "missing" groups.

Is there any other way of searching the archive of the many groups not
carried by Google?

No practical way that I know of.

*******

In terms of search targets:

site:vistax64.com
site:sevenforums.com
site:eightforums.com

have tutorials and forums, and you can sometimes find
what you need by searching there. The sites are all run
by the same guy.

Paul

Paul nospam needed.com wrote:

Leala wrote:
CRNG wrote:

I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to

https://groups.google.com/forum/

and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8

and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried
to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem
to carry it.

Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG
doesn't seem to carry this group.

Try this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!search/$20alt.comp.os.wi
ndows-8|sort:date

It is true, that messages cross-posted to Windows-8, will
get archived.

But then, the archive is far from complete. Because not every
thread occurring in alt.comp.os.windows-8, is cross-posted.

Messages posted only to alt.comp.os.windows-8 , should not be
archived.

There is a benefit to this group not being archived by Google.
Fewer morons posting from Google Groups.

I haven't used their "groups" search engine for months. It was fun
when it was real.