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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?



 
 
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  #166  
Old June 7th 15, 09:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Jonas Klein wrote:
Am 07.06.2015 um 21:30 schrieb . . .winston:
Mayayana wrote:

What it is is simply a connecting ramp to transition
from the old way of allowing MS to provide updates
automatically, to the new way of accepting Windows
as a subscription service.


Not known, only hypothesized by those who don't know.


If you get Win10 you can't stop updates.

Not true - only W10 Core (Home) has the limitation.


If I were to upgrade from my seven weeks old Windows 8.1 Home, which W10
would I get?



Yours would be the first case...

W8.1 Home/Core -- W10 Home/Core (with fully automated updates)

W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates)

OEM (Dell/HP/Acer) machines tend to come with "Home". For example,
my Acer laptop comes with Win7 Home Premium, and that
case would be

W7 SP1 Home Premium -- W10 Home/Core (with fully automated updates)

If at the very second, I was to "factory restore" the Acer to
W7 original version, I would need to install SP1, do all the
Windows Updates, install '583 update, then when the notification
is present, get my W10 Home/Core download.

I do not mention the x32 or x64 part, because that part must
be preserved during the update. Yours is x64, and the new
W10 Home/Core would also be x64. You cannot mix them, and
take an x32 to x64 or an x64 to x32, not with a simple
upgrade installation.

HTH,
Paul
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  #167  
Old June 7th 15, 10:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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| W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates)
|
My understanding was that the only option
was to delay the updates for business testing,
but that choosing not to install them is not
an option.


  #168  
Old June 8th 15, 01:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Mayayana wrote:
| W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates)
|
My understanding was that the only option
was to delay the updates for business testing,
but that choosing not to install them is not
an option.



That's why I stated it as a "token level of control",
because I don't know the details.

With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update
immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed,
within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot
on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss.

The Pro is supposed to be somehow better. There isn't much room
to define a different policy (without the user being
in full control).

Paul
  #169  
Old June 8th 15, 01:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On 07 Jun 2015, Paul wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-
8:

With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update
immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed,
within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot
on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss.


This just seems insane to me. What if you're on dial-up? What if you're
doing important work when the computer decides it has to reboot? What
if you're rendering video and need all available horsepower when it
decides to download several gigabytes of updates? What if a particular
update turns out to break certain combinations of hardware? You might
even be aware of such problems but be unable to stop it other than
disconnecting from the net. I can think of many scenarios that are
troublesome, to say the least.
  #170  
Old June 8th 15, 02:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Nil wrote:
On 07 Jun 2015, Paul wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-
8:

With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update
immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed,
within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot
on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss.


This just seems insane to me. What if you're on dial-up? What if you're
doing important work when the computer decides it has to reboot? What
if you're rendering video and need all available horsepower when it
decides to download several gigabytes of updates? What if a particular
update turns out to break certain combinations of hardware? You might
even be aware of such problems but be unable to stop it other than
disconnecting from the net. I can think of many scenarios that are
troublesome, to say the least.


And I think this should tell you something, about
the Microsoft understanding of what people use
the computers for. It must be "content consumption",
where the user switches off when they sleep,
and all the updates can be done then.

Apparently, real people don't use computers for
longer intervals of time. And people have nothing
better to do than wait until some update crap
is finished :-)

What they're doing, is roughly equivalent to
"electric cars" and "range anxiety". They're trying
to do the same thing with computers, introduce
"update anxiety".

Paul
  #171  
Old June 8th 15, 06:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
| W8.1 Pro -- W10 Pro (some token control of updates)
|
My understanding was that the only option
was to delay the updates for business testing,
but that choosing not to install them is not
an option.



That's why I stated it as a "token level of control",
because I don't know the details.

With the Home/Core, it installs the Windows Update
immediately. Then informs you that a reboot is needed,
within the next 24 hours or something. And it will reboot
on its own eventually, just to show you who is boss.

The Pro is supposed to be somehow better. There isn't much room
to define a different policy (without the user being
in full control).

Paul


Win10 has updates preset to automatic, no control

Win10 Pro has use configurable options.

In the Enterprise environment multiple 'control' options are available
for Win10.
Mission Critical devices - IT choose what to update and when. Also
option to only deploy Security updates.

End User devices - IT controls Windows Updates

Windows Update for Business - IT controls; updates available in two
different distribution rings, configurable maintenance windows for
updating, peer to peer delivery, integrates with existing tools

-- Windows Update for Business is free for Windows Pro and Windows
Enterprise customers.


--
...winston
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  #172  
Old June 8th 15, 02:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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| Win10 has updates preset to automatic, no control
|
| Win10 Pro has use configurable options.
|

You seem to be being unnecessarily vague, as is
Microsoft. I suppose that's not surprising. The Win10
change is a drastic departure from the past.

Basically, with Win10 you get all security patches
and "features" installed with no say in the matter.

If you have Pro *and* you are signed up with a
business account ["CBB". I don't know if there are
requirements for that account] then you can defer
feature updates but not entirely refuse them.

I doubt the enterprise licensing applies to anyone here.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/piecing...or-windows-10/

So the gist of it is that if you get Win10 then MS
is in charge of your computer. You can cast that
in any light you like, but that's the basic fact of the
matter.


  #173  
Old June 8th 15, 08:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

Mayayana wrote:

Basically, with Win10 you get all security patches
and "features" installed with no say in the matter.


Not true

If you have Pro *and* you are signed up with a
business account ["CBB". I don't know if there are
requirements for that account] then you can defer
feature updates but not entirely refuse them.


It's not an account.


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