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  #31  
Old March 5th 15, 11:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default The new HP W8.1 PC

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 16:22:55 -0500, "R.H. Breener"
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"Bill" wrote in message
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If I hold the Windows key down and press Enter, it toggles Narrator on and
off.


On mine, doing that does nothing. And it looks like the blue rectangle that
makes reading some of the text impossible is back.


The "nothing" that it did was turn on Narrator. Do it again to turn Narrator
off, which removes the blue boxes. It's a toggle.

I'm not sure why it works differently for you than it does for me and
others. Maybe you need a TeamViewer session with someone who has been down
this road before.

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  #32  
Old March 6th 15, 04:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default The new HP W8.1 PC


"Ron" wrote in message
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It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP.

Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP
machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine
model, although that may not matter.


It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot disk
and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either.


You can make recovery discs using the HP Recovery Manager. It took 6 blank
DVDs for my HP. You also have a recovery partition.


OK, found it. It used a 64GB Flashdrive.Yes and chose not to delete it.


  #33  
Old March 6th 15, 04:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ron" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2015 4:22 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

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It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP.

Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP
machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine
model, although that may not matter.


It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot disk
and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either.


You can make recovery discs using the HP Recovery Manager. It took 6 blank
DVDs for my HP. You also have a recovery partition.


I'm having a lot of trouble now with WindowsMail on this old Vista PC now.
It keeps closing even if I'm typing when using Groups. So far now when
replying to email.

I used a new 64 GB flashdrive and chose to leave the D: petition.



  #34  
Old March 6th 15, 05:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default The new HP W8.1 PC - ClassicShell is gone now!


"Ron" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2015 4:38 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

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"Alek" wrote in message
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R.H. Breener wrote on 3/3/2015 10:21 AM:

There is no tile of any kind in the lower left corner.

There is nothing but tiles all over the desktop. I can't get past
them. I
can't do anything but move them around.

Win-D maybe?

Hitting the Window's Key twice seems to have worked. I'll try that
at next boot if the other fails.

I feel I have to say again. Restart rather than just close down and
reboot.

Later on you can examine the tribulations of "Fast Startup" in the
bowels of Control Panel.
--
Bill


Hey Bill......... I have both PCs open on my desk. I have control panel
open on W8 but don't see Fast Startup. And that Blue Rectangle blocks
out text. I thought got rid of it - it's back again.


Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Power Options\System Settings


Thanks. This WindowsMail on Vista keeps closing as I type. I'm having a
real problem finishing a reply before it closes again. It started with the
compression or whatever it was called.

  #35  
Old March 6th 15, 05:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 3/5/2015 10:59 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2015 4:22 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
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It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP.

Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP
machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine
model, although that may not matter.

It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot disk
and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either.


You can make recovery discs using the HP Recovery Manager. It took 6
blank DVDs for my HP. You also have a recovery partition.


I'm having a lot of trouble now with WindowsMail on this old Vista PC
now. It keeps closing even if I'm typing when using Groups. So far now
when replying to email.

I used a new 64 GB flashdrive and chose to leave the D: petition.


Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1 has
the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done this but
from what I know it will keep links to all of your installed programs in
a folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the
system and everything will be left in place.

  #36  
Old March 6th 15, 06:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default The new HP W8.1 PC

Ron wrote:
On 3/5/2015 10:59 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2015 4:22 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
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It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP.

Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP
machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine
model, although that may not matter.

It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot
disk
and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either.

You can make recovery discs using the HP Recovery Manager. It took 6
blank DVDs for my HP. You also have a recovery partition.


I'm having a lot of trouble now with WindowsMail on this old Vista PC
now. It keeps closing even if I'm typing when using Groups. So far now
when replying to email.

I used a new 64 GB flashdrive and chose to leave the D: petition.


Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1 has
the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done this but
from what I know it will keep links to all of your installed programs in
a folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the
system and everything will be left in place.


I would still recommend actual, honest to goodness backups.

If you haven't tested "all this fine capability", you
could be in for a rude shock one day, if stuff hits
the fan.

To test, back up the computer fully first, to an external
drive. Then, simulate your test cases. If you think Microsoft
offers Refresh, at your current patch level, go ahead and push
the button. Observe whether it worked or didn't work, what
damage it did. Then, restore from your backup image, and
everything is back to normal again.

Only by doing that, will you have any idea whether this
fine stuff works or not.

When I first started doing backups, I used two methods.
I used a method I trusted (dd.exe block by block backup),
as well as testing the Windows backup. I didn't trust the
Windows backup on the first day, so I made two backups.
If the restore had not worked, I would have restored
using the "dd" produced image. Everyone will have some
old backup package that they've previously tested, that
could be used in a similar way.

Don't just rely on Microsoft for these functions - neither
should you rely entirely on recovery partitions. There
have been a few OEMs who do a pretty poor job on this
stuff, and you really need to prepare for the worst.
Just like you'd prepare for a loss of your
recovery DVDs, or finding the recovery DVDs have
bit rot and you cannot read them any more. Image
the freshly burned DVDs with Imgburn today, and move
the ISO9660 files to a different hard drive for later.

Paul
  #37  
Old March 6th 15, 07:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R.H. Breener[_2_]
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"Ron" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2015 10:59 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2015 4:22 PM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
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It's running 8.1 which was already installed by HP.

Well, that's what is running on a machine here, although not an HP
machine. Mine is 64-bit, for info. You didn't identify the machine
model, although that may not matter.

It's 64-bit. It's a HP Envy. I've been searching for making a boot
disk
and Recovery disk and can't find it. There's been no popup either.

You can make recovery discs using the HP Recovery Manager. It took 6
blank DVDs for my HP. You also have a recovery partition.


I'm having a lot of trouble now with WindowsMail on this old Vista PC
now. It keeps closing even if I'm typing when using Groups. So far now
when replying to email.

I used a new 64 GB flashdrive and chose to leave the D: petition.


Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1 has
the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done this but
from what I know it will keep links to all of your installed programs in a
folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the system
and everything will be left in place.


Fortunately I never had to repair the system on W7. It's a little over 2
yrs old.

I finally called MS and HP both tonight. The MS tech was helpful in getting
rid of the MS account but now Classic Shell wont work and I'm back with some
strange Start Menu in the lower left cornor.I feel like I'm spinning my
wheels and not making any headway. I get one thing solved and another crops
up? I wonder if restore-refresh would reinstall that unwanted MS account.




  #38  
Old March 6th 15, 02:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default The new HP W8.1 PC

R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1
has the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done this
but from what I know it will keep links to all of your installed
programs in a folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the
system and everything will be left in place.


Fortunately I never had to repair the system on W7. It's a little over
2 yrs old.

I finally called MS and HP both tonight. The MS tech was helpful in
getting rid of the MS account but now Classic Shell wont work and I'm
back with some strange Start Menu in the lower left cornor.I feel like
I'm spinning my wheels and not making any headway. I get one thing
solved and another crops up? I wonder if restore-refresh would reinstall
that unwanted MS account.


You are struggling mightily to "customize" the machine.
Lots of users wouldn't even try this. They'd use
the WLM and leave the menu/Start system alone. You
have to expect a little fallout from fiddling
with stuff. In for a penny, in for a pound.

You could try uninstalling ClassicShell, then reinstall again,
in case the installation of that program has some elevation
or account issues. For ordinary programs, I would not
expect such re-installation to make any difference to
a program malfunction, but maybe you'll get lucky.

Paul
  #39  
Old March 8th 15, 06:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
R.H. Breener[_2_]
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"Paul" wrote in message
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R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1 has
the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done this but
from what I know it will keep links to all of your installed programs in
a folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the
system and everything will be left in place.


Fortunately I never had to repair the system on W7. It's a little over 2
yrs old.

I finally called MS and HP both tonight. The MS tech was helpful in
getting rid of the MS account but now Classic Shell wont work and I'm
back with some strange Start Menu in the lower left cornor.I feel like
I'm spinning my wheels and not making any headway. I get one thing solved
and another crops up? I wonder if restore-refresh would reinstall that
unwanted MS account.


You are struggling mightily to "customize" the machine.
Lots of users wouldn't even try this. They'd use
the WLM and leave the menu/Start system alone. You
have to expect a little fallout from fiddling
with stuff. In for a penny, in for a pound.

You could try uninstalling ClassicShell, then reinstall again,
in case the installation of that program has some elevation
or account issues. For ordinary programs, I would not
expect such re-installation to make any difference to
a program malfunction, but maybe you'll get lucky.

Paul


Removing that account caused the issues. I had to reinstall it after
creating another account. Also, I didn't know the LT came with Webroot
already installed and running. It removed one of my small SWs that give me
email passwords, and no way can I find the vault to remove and reinstate it.
One thing after another. If how to rescue something from the vault is on
the Webroot website, I couldn't find it.

  #40  
Old March 8th 15, 07:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ron
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On 3/8/2015 12:12 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1
has the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done
this but from what I know it will keep links to all of your
installed programs in a folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the
system and everything will be left in place.

Fortunately I never had to repair the system on W7. It's a little
over 2 yrs old.

I finally called MS and HP both tonight. The MS tech was helpful in
getting rid of the MS account but now Classic Shell wont work and I'm
back with some strange Start Menu in the lower left cornor.I feel
like I'm spinning my wheels and not making any headway. I get one
thing solved and another crops up? I wonder if restore-refresh would
reinstall that unwanted MS account.


You are struggling mightily to "customize" the machine.
Lots of users wouldn't even try this. They'd use
the WLM and leave the menu/Start system alone. You
have to expect a little fallout from fiddling
with stuff. In for a penny, in for a pound.

You could try uninstalling ClassicShell, then reinstall again,
in case the installation of that program has some elevation
or account issues. For ordinary programs, I would not
expect such re-installation to make any difference to
a program malfunction, but maybe you'll get lucky.

Paul


Removing that account caused the issues. I had to reinstall it after
creating another account. Also, I didn't know the LT came with Webroot
already installed and running. It removed one of my small SWs that give
me email passwords, and no way can I find the vault to remove and
reinstate it. One thing after another. If how to rescue something from
the vault is on the Webroot website, I couldn't find it.


Is this it?

http://www.webroot.com/En_US/SecureA...Quarantine.htm
  #41  
Old March 13th 15, 07:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
RH BREENER
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"Ron" wrote in message ...

On 3/8/2015 12:12 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
...
R.H. Breener wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message

Just in case you ever need to "refresh" the computer, Windows 8/8.1
has the ability to do that w/o losing your files. I've never done
this but from what I know it will keep links to all of your
installed programs in a folder which will be saved on the desktop.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...fresh-reset-pc

What I like about Windows 7 (if you have a disc) you can repair the
system and everything will be left in place.

Fortunately I never had to repair the system on W7. It's a little
over 2 yrs old.

I finally called MS and HP both tonight. The MS tech was helpful in
getting rid of the MS account but now Classic Shell wont work and I'm
back with some strange Start Menu in the lower left cornor.I feel
like I'm spinning my wheels and not making any headway. I get one
thing solved and another crops up? I wonder if restore-refresh would
reinstall that unwanted MS account.


You are struggling mightily to "customize" the machine.
Lots of users wouldn't even try this. They'd use
the WLM and leave the menu/Start system alone. You
have to expect a little fallout from fiddling
with stuff. In for a penny, in for a pound.

You could try uninstalling ClassicShell, then reinstall again,
in case the installation of that program has some elevation
or account issues. For ordinary programs, I would not
expect such re-installation to make any difference to
a program malfunction, but maybe you'll get lucky.

Paul


Removing that account caused the issues. I had to reinstall it after
creating another account. Also, I didn't know the LT came with Webroot
already installed and running. It removed one of my small SWs that give
me email passwords, and no way can I find the vault to remove and
reinstate it. One thing after another. If how to rescue something from
the vault is on the Webroot website, I couldn't find it.


Is this it?

http://www.webroot.com/En_US/SecureA...Quarantine.htm

No. Mine looks different and there is no choice to see what's quarantined.

BTW, some messages I posted are not showing up here and I haven't located
the OUTBOX yet. I despise this mail program. I have no way to know if
email is leaving either of if some is stuck in the outbox I can' find.


 




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