PDF File Question

Not particularly a Windows 8 question, but ...

A friend scanned a document and it displays sideways. I can rotate it in
any of a number of PDF readers I have (including Adobe) but none of them
will save the rotated version.

(Actually, she scanned it as four separate sideways pages and I want to
merge them into a single document.)

How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

Thanks.

On 3/12/15 6:54 PM, Alek wrote:
Not particularly a Windows 8 question, but ...

A friend scanned a document and it displays sideways. I can rotate it in
any of a number of PDF readers I have (including Adobe) but none of them
will save the rotated version.

(Actually, she scanned it as four separate sideways pages and I want to
merge them into a single document.)

Out of curiosity only, doesn't her scan software allow for rotation
before scanning? Or even better, rotate the paper before the actual
scan, assuming she used a review mode.

How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

I cannot offer a Windows solution for this, but if you know someone who
has a recent Mac, they can load all 4 pages at the same time into
Preview (comes with OS X), rotate the pages, and then save them as a
combined PDF doc for you. I honestly don't know of a similar Windows
program.


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Firefox 33.1
Thunderbird 31.0
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and it's gone!"

On 3/12/2015 8:54 PM, Alek wrote:
Not particularly a Windows 8 question, but ...

A friend scanned a document and it displays sideways. I can rotate it in
any of a number of PDF readers I have (including Adobe) but none of them
will save the rotated version.

(Actually, she scanned it as four separate sideways pages and I want to
merge them into a single document.)

How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

Thanks.

Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.


http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download

The current version is 2.0. Personally I prefer the previous version
1.7.3.

Both can be downloaded from the above page.

I have been using PDFCreator for many years, and got use to the old
interface. Since you are starting fresh you may wish to start with 2.0.

With PDFCreator you can rotate the images, and combine several images
into one document.

If the images are a standard image format jpg, or over two dozen other
formats, You may also like to try Irfanview. It is also free at

http://www.irfanview.com/

This is more of an image processing program that writes to PDF files.
If you do not have a good image processing program with OCR and some
other good things you may wish to look at it also. It is also free.

Alek wrote:
Not particularly a Windows 8 question, but ...

A friend scanned a document and it displays sideways. I can rotate it in
any of a number of PDF readers I have (including Adobe) but none of them
will save the rotated version.

(Actually, she scanned it as four separate sideways pages and I want to
merge them into a single document.)

How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

Thanks.

The Adobe Acrobat program which comes with
Adobe Distiller, has the option to rotate pages.
Mine is a really old copy.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2uihqah.gif

Likely many have come after it that can
do the same thing.

Doing vector editing and preserving text fonts,
lines and other junk, that's a lot harder to get
right for PDF. Maybe Adobe Illustrator ? There's certainly
a few half-hearted attempts at editors out there.

*******

To solve your very specific problem,
install a copy of GIMP. The reason this will
work, is the document is actually four pages
of bitmaps, and GIMP is the perfect solution
for making a different document from the
original pile of bitmaps.

http://www.gimp.org/downloads/

1) In GIMP, you can open a PDF file.
It will ask you which pages to render.
Select only one page from the PDF.
Set the resolution high enough to preserve
the content properly. If the image documents
were output at 300DPI, select 600DPI (Nyquist).
Make sure the computer has lots of memory.

2) Repeat three more times.
Now you have the four pages, as separate images,
and without invoking "Layers" or needing layer
operations.

3) Do File:New, make a document which is big enough.
Copy and paste the four images, to the large new window.
You can move the Copy/Paste bitmap with the cursor
keys. Hold down Shift, then use a cursor key, to
move the image in "larger steps".

4) GIMP has File:SaveAs, which delivers a GIMP specific
format. Instead, you want File:Export, to create a
"foreign" format.

That might not be the end of the story, depending on
your printing capabilities. I might use File:Print
and then select a Print-To-File type of printer
driver. For example, there are various printer
plugins for making PDF directly, and you could
access one of those from GIMP, to create the final
bitmap-inside-PDF output. You would need to go into
Page Setup, to define the paper size of the final output.
And lots of tools "bungle" such settings, which causes
the PDF to not open at the right scale when you go
to share the document. But, that's life...

Making huge bitmaps, will cause some grinding on the
computer opening the new PDF document. Stuff kept in vector
format, is more efficient, but using an optical scanner
can't help with that. And OCR is too primitive to be
of any real help.

Paul

Rotate them, print them, and scan them back in again to a single document.

Job done, and will be faster than posting here and awaiting a
technological solution!

JK

On 13/03/2015 15:29, Paul wrote:
Alek wrote:
Not particularly a Windows 8 question, but ...

A friend scanned a document and it displays sideways. I can rotate it in
any of a number of PDF readers I have (including Adobe) but none of them
will save the rotated version.

(Actually, she scanned it as four separate sideways pages and I want to
merge them into a single document.)

How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

Thanks.

The Adobe Acrobat program which comes with
Adobe Distiller, has the option to rotate pages.
Mine is a really old copy.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2uihqah.gif

Likely many have come after it that can
do the same thing.

Doing vector editing and preserving text fonts,
lines and other junk, that's a lot harder to get
right for PDF. Maybe Adobe Illustrator ? There's certainly
a few half-hearted attempts at editors out there.

*******

To solve your very specific problem,
install a copy of GIMP. The reason this will
work, is the document is actually four pages
of bitmaps, and GIMP is the perfect solution
for making a different document from the
original pile of bitmaps.

http://www.gimp.org/downloads/

1) In GIMP, you can open a PDF file.
It will ask you which pages to render.
Select only one page from the PDF.
Set the resolution high enough to preserve
the content properly. If the image documents
were output at 300DPI, select 600DPI (Nyquist).
Make sure the computer has lots of memory.

2) Repeat three more times.
Now you have the four pages, as separate images,
and without invoking "Layers" or needing layer
operations.

3) Do File:New, make a document which is big enough.
Copy and paste the four images, to the large new window.
You can move the Copy/Paste bitmap with the cursor
keys. Hold down Shift, then use a cursor key, to
move the image in "larger steps".

4) GIMP has File:SaveAs, which delivers a GIMP specific
format. Instead, you want File:Export, to create a
"foreign" format.

That might not be the end of the story, depending on
your printing capabilities. I might use File:Print
and then select a Print-To-File type of printer
driver. For example, there are various printer
plugins for making PDF directly, and you could
access one of those from GIMP, to create the final
bitmap-inside-PDF output. You would need to go into
Page Setup, to define the paper size of the final output.
And lots of tools "bungle" such settings, which causes
the PDF to not open at the right scale when you go
to share the document. But, that's life...

Making huge bitmaps, will cause some grinding on the
computer opening the new PDF document. Stuff kept in vector
format, is more efficient, but using an optical scanner
can't help with that. And OCR is too primitive to be
of any real help.

Paul

Alek wrote:
Not particularly a Windows 8 question, but ...

A friend scanned a document and it displays sideways. I can rotate it in
any of a number of PDF readers I have (including Adobe) but none of them
will save the rotated version.

(Actually, she scanned it as four separate sideways pages and I want to
merge them into a single document.)

How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

Thanks.

Print to pdf with PDFCreator or other PDF print-to.
Set output for portrait mode if in landscape mode and rotated
counterclockwise (or clockwise depending on how she rotated them).
Then use www.pdfmerge.com or Irfan multipage image / create
multipage pdf.

Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/12/2015 9:29 PM:

Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.


http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download

The current version is 2.0. Personally I prefer the previous version
1.7.3.

Both can be downloaded from the above page.

I have been using PDFCreator for many years, and got use to the old
interface. Since you are starting fresh you may wish to start with 2.0.

With PDFCreator you can rotate the images, and combine several images
into one document.

Are you thinking of PDF Architect, a companion program?

What do you mean by "images"? I have 5 PDF files.

Thanks.

On 3/13/2015 10:49 AM, Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/12/2015 9:29 PM:

Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.


http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download

The current version is 2.0. Personally I prefer the previous version
1.7.3.

Both can be downloaded from the above page.

I have been using PDFCreator for many years, and got use to the old
interface. Since you are starting fresh you may wish to start with 2.0.

With PDFCreator you can rotate the images, and combine several images
into one document.

Are you thinking of PDF Architect, a companion program?

What do you mean by "images"? I have 5 PDF files.

Thanks.


I do not use PDF Architect.

I used images and PDF files interchangeably.

Open one of the PDF files, and print it to the PDFCreator printer. Go
to the PDFCreator window and you can drop other PDF files into the
window that shows what has been printed. You can then highlight and
combine the files (CNTRL C I believe)

In Irfanview, Click Options, Multipage images, Create PDF.

This opens a window with several options on the right. Select add
images, and add the PDF files that you want in the new PDF File.

Select the new file name and new directory and create images.

As I said I tried PDFCreator 2.0X and went back to PDFCreater 1.7X.
1.7x is similar in operation to Irfanview. First print the PDF file to
the PDF printer, then add the other PDF files in to PDFCreator window.
Highlight the files and the CNTRL C. when the combine operation is
complete, save the new file by the name and place of your choice.

Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/13/2015 12:37 PM:
On 3/13/2015 10:49 AM, Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/12/2015 9:29 PM:

Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.


http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download

The current version is 2.0. Personally I prefer the previous version
1.7.3.

Both can be downloaded from the above page.

I have been using PDFCreator for many years, and got use to the old
interface. Since you are starting fresh you may wish to start with 2.0.

With PDFCreator you can rotate the images, and combine several images
into one document.

Are you thinking of PDF Architect, a companion program?

What do you mean by "images"? I have 5 PDF files.

Thanks.


I do not use PDF Architect.

I used images and PDF files interchangeably.

Open one of the PDF files, and print it to the PDFCreator printer. Go
to the PDFCreator window and you can drop other PDF files into the
window that shows what has been printed. You can then highlight and
combine the files (CNTRL C I believe)

In Irfanview, Click Options, Multipage images, Create PDF.

This opens a window with several options on the right. Select add
images, and add the PDF files that you want in the new PDF File.

Select the new file name and new directory and create images.

As I said I tried PDFCreator 2.0X and went back to PDFCreater 1.7X.
1.7x is similar in operation to Irfanview. First print the PDF file to
the PDF printer, then add the other PDF files in to PDFCreator window.
Highlight the files and the CNTRL C. when the combine operation is
complete, save the new file by the name and place of your choice.


Well, after printing to PDF Creator, nothing happened. The PDF Creator
log file says,

015-03-13 14:44:06.0847 [Error]
pdfforge.PDFCreator.App.TryStartApplication: There was an error while
starting the application: System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to
the path
'C:\Users\Alek\AppData\Local\Temp\PDFCreator\Spool \E1A71AD3922A4F94B275B6D320F600CF.inf'
is denied.
at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
at System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32
bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String
msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy, Boolean useLongPath, Boolean checkHost)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, String
msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access)
at pdfforge.DataStorage.Storage.IniStorage.ReadData(S tring path,
Boolean clear)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.Core.Jobs.JobInfo.ReadInf(Stri ng infFile,
TitleReplacer titleReplacer)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.JobInfoQueue.Add(String jobInfo)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.App.TryStartApplication(Comman dLineParser
commandlineParser, String newJob)

On 3/13/2015 2:46 PM, Alek wrote:
tem.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to
the path
'C:\Users\Alek\AppData\Local\Temp\PDFCreator\Spool \E1A71AD3922A4F94B275B6D320F600CF.inf'
is denied.
That would in my opinion indicate that when you installed and when you
used it there was different set of permissions, Administator and user??

Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/13/2015 12:37 PM:
On 3/13/2015 10:49 AM, Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/12/2015 9:29 PM:
Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.


http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download

The current version is 2.0. Personally I prefer the previous version
1.7.3.

Both can be downloaded from the above page.

I have been using PDFCreator for many years, and got use to the old
interface. Since you are starting fresh you may wish to start with 2.0.

With PDFCreator you can rotate the images, and combine several images
into one document.
Are you thinking of PDF Architect, a companion program?

What do you mean by "images"? I have 5 PDF files.

Thanks.

I do not use PDF Architect.

I used images and PDF files interchangeably.

Open one of the PDF files, and print it to the PDFCreator printer. Go
to the PDFCreator window and you can drop other PDF files into the
window that shows what has been printed. You can then highlight and
combine the files (CNTRL C I believe)

In Irfanview, Click Options, Multipage images, Create PDF.

This opens a window with several options on the right. Select add
images, and add the PDF files that you want in the new PDF File.

Select the new file name and new directory and create images.

As I said I tried PDFCreator 2.0X and went back to PDFCreater 1.7X.
1.7x is similar in operation to Irfanview. First print the PDF file to
the PDF printer, then add the other PDF files in to PDFCreator window.
Highlight the files and the CNTRL C. when the combine operation is
complete, save the new file by the name and place of your choice.


Well, after printing to PDF Creator, nothing happened. The PDF Creator
log file says,

015-03-13 14:44:06.0847 [Error]
pdfforge.PDFCreator.App.TryStartApplication: There was an error while
starting the application: System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to
the path
'C:\Users\Alek\AppData\Local\Temp\PDFCreator\Spool \E1A71AD3922A4F94B275B6D320F600CF.inf'
is denied.
at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
at System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32
bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String
msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy, Boolean useLongPath, Boolean checkHost)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, String
msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access)
at pdfforge.DataStorage.Storage.IniStorage.ReadData(S tring path,
Boolean clear)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.Core.Jobs.JobInfo.ReadInf(Stri ng infFile,
TitleReplacer titleReplacer)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.JobInfoQueue.Add(String jobInfo)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.App.TryStartApplication(Comman dLineParser
commandlineParser, String newJob)

Yah, I agree with Keith. You don't have permission to install
on that computer.

Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/13/2015 4:53 PM:
On 3/13/2015 2:46 PM, Alek wrote:
tem.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to
the path
'C:\Users\Alek\AppData\Local\Temp\PDFCreator\Spool \E1A71AD3922A4F94B275B6D320F600CF.inf'
is denied.
That would in my opinion indicate that when you installed and when you
used it there was different set of permissions, Administator and user??


No. Installed as user with administrator permissions.

Paul in Houston TX wrote on 3/13/2015 5:11 PM:
Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/13/2015 12:37 PM:
On 3/13/2015 10:49 AM, Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/12/2015 9:29 PM:
Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.


http://www.pdfforge.org/pdfcreator/download

The current version is 2.0. Personally I prefer the previous version
1.7.3.

Both can be downloaded from the above page.

I have been using PDFCreator for many years, and got use to the old
interface. Since you are starting fresh you may wish to start with 2.0.

With PDFCreator you can rotate the images, and combine several images
into one document.
Are you thinking of PDF Architect, a companion program?

What do you mean by "images"? I have 5 PDF files.

Thanks.

I do not use PDF Architect.

I used images and PDF files interchangeably.

Open one of the PDF files, and print it to the PDFCreator printer. Go
to the PDFCreator window and you can drop other PDF files into the
window that shows what has been printed. You can then highlight and
combine the files (CNTRL C I believe)

In Irfanview, Click Options, Multipage images, Create PDF.

This opens a window with several options on the right. Select add
images, and add the PDF files that you want in the new PDF File.

Select the new file name and new directory and create images.

As I said I tried PDFCreator 2.0X and went back to PDFCreater 1.7X.
1.7x is similar in operation to Irfanview. First print the PDF file to
the PDF printer, then add the other PDF files in to PDFCreator window.
Highlight the files and the CNTRL C. when the combine operation is
complete, save the new file by the name and place of your choice.


Well, after printing to PDF Creator, nothing happened. The PDF Creator
log file says,

015-03-13 14:44:06.0847 [Error]
pdfforge.PDFCreator.App.TryStartApplication: There was an error while
starting the application: System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to
the path
'C:\Users\Alek\AppData\Local\Temp\PDFCreator\Spool \E1A71AD3922A4F94B275B6D320F600CF.inf'
is denied.
at System.IO.__Error.WinIOError(Int32 errorCode, String maybeFullPath)
at System.IO.FileStream.Init(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access, Int32 rights, Boolean useRights, FileShare share, Int32
bufferSize, FileOptions options, SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES secAttrs, String
msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy, Boolean useLongPath, Boolean checkHost)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, FileOptions options, String
msgPath, Boolean bFromProxy)
at System.IO.FileStream..ctor(String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess
access)
at pdfforge.DataStorage.Storage.IniStorage.ReadData(S tring path,
Boolean clear)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.Core.Jobs.JobInfo.ReadInf(Stri ng infFile,
TitleReplacer titleReplacer)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.JobInfoQueue.Add(String jobInfo)
at pdfforge.PDFCreator.App.TryStartApplication(Comman dLineParser
commandlineParser, String newJob)

Yah, I agree with Keith. You don't have permission to install
on that computer.

What? Can you explain then how I installed the program and the dozens of
others? :-)

Alek wrote:
Paul in Houston TX wrote on 3/13/2015 5:11 PM:
Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/13/2015 12:37 PM:
On 3/13/2015 10:49 AM, Alek wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote on 3/12/2015 9:29 PM:
Probably the best free software for what you want to do is PDFCreator by
Sourceforge.

Yah, I agree with Keith. You don't have permission to install
on that computer.

What? Can you explain then how I installed the program and the dozens of
others? :-)

I don't know.
Maybe the temp path was not created, wiped after creation,
or the inf file is not right. The inf file has a temporary name:
"C:\Users\Alek\AppData\Local\Temp\PDFCreator\Spool \E1A71AD3922A4F94B275B6D320F600CF.inf'
is denied."

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 20:54:17 -0400, Alek wrote:


How do I get the new orientation to stick? Is there a (free) PDF reader
or editor that will do this?

Is your mail id in the headers a working one?

I sent you a message on this software.

--
Archer