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Goodbye to Windows Live
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:43:46 -0700, Jake wrote:
In article , "Nil" said... And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything. I'm pretty sure they didn't deny it back then. We got reams of promotional and technical literature about it back when it was introduced, and I'm almost certain that the phrase was liberally bandied about. They said it stood for New Technology. I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else? -- Char Jackson |
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On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT Wolf K. |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf K
wrote: On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote: I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks. -- Char Jackson |
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On 6/6/2012 2:43 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf wrote: On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote: I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks. I remember that era... and I do recall a fellow in our work group that did say he purchased it and calling it New Technology. Also saw ads in Byte magazine at the time calling it as such. |
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Goodbye to Windows Live
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:06:53 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:28:25 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:35:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:06:30 -0500, Antares 531 wrote: [snip] Also, Windows Explorer vs. Internet Explorer. That one makes sense to me. It may make sense, but it's still bad naming, since it too has confused many people. I think that it because they do not know what Windows is and what the Internet is. They should find out. There's a lot of truth in what you say, but even though half the two names are very different, the other half is identical. And since people often use shortcut names, many people call them both Explorer. It's not very different from Outlook and Outlook Express. Many people shorten Outlook Express and call it Outlook, thereby creating confusion. Or to talk about a different area where shortening names gets people the wrong result, Americans often shorten "caffelatte" to "latte." Do you know what "latte" means? Go to a bar in Italy and order "latte" expecting "caffelatte" and you might be very surprised to get a glass of milk. Then there are the people who spell that word "latté" :-) BTW, isn't caffè latte two words? Apropos of the discussion of confusing names, I often say Windows Explorer when I'm trying to say Internet Explorer and vice versa, and I assure you, I know which is which. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:15:07 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:53:58 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:35:56 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:04:55 -0500, Char Jackson wrote: Apparently, Microsoft is phasing out the Windows Live brand name. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/business/windows-live-brand-fades-into-the-sunset-digital-domain.html http://www.odt.co.nz/blogs/dene-mackenzie/211881/time-say-goodbye-windows-live Glad to hear it. Good as Microsoft is at some things, they are often terrible at naming things, and often confuse many people with the names they choose. As a single example, speaking of the Windows Live brand name, many people mix up Windows Live Mail and Windows Mail. Thanks for the chance to b*tch (again!): Outlook vs Outlook Express That of course is the classic Microsoft example of terrible naming. It has confused more people than anything else. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on sales staff created bad names. A classic is "Javascript," which has absolutely nothing to do with "Java." Rumor has it (it's been quoted in at least books on one or the other of those) that Javascript had another name which I don't remember, and it was renamed on the urging of marketing people to ride on the coat-tails of Java. Still not a good choice, IMO. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
at least books Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.) Bad typing, worse proofreading. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:06:09 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote: On 6/6/2012 2:43 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf wrote: On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote: I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks. I remember that era... and I do recall a fellow in our work group that did say he purchased it and calling it New Technology. Also saw ads in Byte magazine at the time calling it as such. I have similar memories. So far, nothing from Microsoft, however. -- Char Jackson |
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:26:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:06:53 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:28:25 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:35:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:06:30 -0500, Antares 531 wrote: [snip] Also, Windows Explorer vs. Internet Explorer. That one makes sense to me. It may make sense, but it's still bad naming, since it too has confused many people. I think that it because they do not know what Windows is and what the Internet is. They should find out. There's a lot of truth in what you say, but even though half the two names are very different, the other half is identical. And since people often use shortcut names, many people call them both Explorer. It's not very different from Outlook and Outlook Express. Many people shorten Outlook Express and call it Outlook, thereby creating confusion. Or to talk about a different area where shortening names gets people the wrong result, Americans often shorten "caffelatte" to "latte." Do you know what "latte" means? Go to a bar in Italy and order "latte" expecting "caffelatte" and you might be very surprised to get a glass of milk. Then there are the people who spell that word "latté" :-) And pronounce it lah-TAY? I don't think I've seen or heard it that way. BTW, isn't caffè latte two words? I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word is correct. Apropos of the discussion of confusing names, I often say Windows Explorer when I'm trying to say Internet Explorer and vice versa, Ugh! It would drive me crazy if I did that. and I assure you, I know which is which. I'm sure you do. |
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:48:20 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: at least books Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.) Bad typing, worse proofreading. I'm a *terrible* typist but an excellent proofreader, as long as I'm not proofreading something I wrote myself. ;-) |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:11:39 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:26:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:06:53 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:28:25 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:35:11 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0700, Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:06:30 -0500, Antares 531 wrote: [snip] Also, Windows Explorer vs. Internet Explorer. That one makes sense to me. It may make sense, but it's still bad naming, since it too has confused many people. I think that it because they do not know what Windows is and what the Internet is. They should find out. There's a lot of truth in what you say, but even though half the two names are very different, the other half is identical. And since people often use shortcut names, many people call them both Explorer. It's not very different from Outlook and Outlook Express. Many people shorten Outlook Express and call it Outlook, thereby creating confusion. Or to talk about a different area where shortening names gets people the wrong result, Americans often shorten "caffelatte" to "latte." Do you know what "latte" means? Go to a bar in Italy and order "latte" expecting "caffelatte" and you might be very surprised to get a glass of milk. Then there are the people who spell that word "latté" :-) And pronounce it lah-TAY? I don't think I've seen or heard it that way. BTW, isn't caffè latte two words? I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word is correct. My Italian dictionary gives "caffè" and "latte", but not "caffelatte". I've also never seen "caffelatte" before your post... Google's response to caffelatte consists of many references to "caffè latte" with the single word version only inside URLs. Exceptions: a picture gallery labeled "Images for caffelatte" and a camel-case version "CaffeLatte", with the URL "www.caffelatte.org.uk". There's this, if you like: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffe+latte whereas the single-word version gives this: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffelatte Apropos of the discussion of confusing names, I often say Windows Explorer when I'm trying to say Internet Explorer and vice versa, Ugh! It would drive me crazy if I did that. Yup. It bugs me. And whoever I'm talking to :-) and I assure you, I know which is which. I'm sure you do. :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:13:14 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:48:20 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: at least books Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.) Bad typing, worse proofreading. I'm a *terrible* typist but an excellent proofreader, as long as I'm not proofreading something I wrote myself. ;-) Yeah, the harsh realities of life... I'm also good at not noticing that the spell-checker likes bear, when I mean bare - or even Bayer, so I can try to cure the spelling headache :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:41:30 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word is correct. My Italian dictionary gives "caffè" and "latte", but not "caffelatte". I've also never seen "caffelatte" before your post... Google's response to caffelatte consists of many references to "caffè latte" with the single word version only inside URLs. Exceptions: a picture gallery labeled "Images for caffelatte" and a camel-case version "CaffeLatte", with the URL "www.caffelatte.org.uk". There's this, if you like: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffe+latte whereas the single-word version gives this: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffelatte But I found this: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caff%C...ernative_forms which shows caffelatte. It also appears a few more times in the article. So there you are! So much for my knowledge... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:49:25 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: [snip] But I found this: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caff%C...ernative_forms which shows caffelatte. It also appears a few more times in the article. So there you are! So much for my knowledge... Or theirs. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:13:14 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:48:20 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: at least books Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.) Bad typing, worse proofreading. I'm a *terrible* typist but an excellent proofreader, as long as I'm not proofreading something I wrote myself. ;-) I am a pretty good typist, an excellent proofreader, and I can proofread my own work. I can even do a good job of proofreading my own work. Unless I am in a hurry. Then, all bets are off. (Although you could possibly make really good money betting that I would botch it.) Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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