Window is on borrowed time

On 2/19/2016 5:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote on 2016/02/19:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:19:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers.

We just need an option to retrieve the ad content without displaying it. The
current method of not requesting the ad content is a stick in their eye,
which is understandable.

And then the game escalates to the next level, whatever that is.

Good idea. Use a separate process to retrieve the otherwise blocked
content but that process runs as low-priority and with throttled
bandwidth. Then retrieving the unwanted content results in minimal
impact on computer and network responsiveness.

But if you have metered service,
it gets used up by the ads. I turned off adblock and was amazed by
the amount of crap that got spewed at me.
Maybe there's an opportunity for an intermediary who passes on the
content but sends the ads to the bit bucket. I don't see the crap.
Those who foist get paid for the clicks...Everybody wins.

mike wrote on 2016/02/20:

On 2/19/2016 5:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote on 2016/02/19:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:19:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers.

We just need an option to retrieve the ad content without displaying it. The
current method of not requesting the ad content is a stick in their eye,
which is understandable.

And then the game escalates to the next level, whatever that is.

Good idea. Use a separate process to retrieve the otherwise blocked
content but that process runs as low-priority and with throttled
bandwidth. Then retrieving the unwanted content results in minimal
impact on computer and network responsiveness.

But if you have metered service,

If you have metered service, why are you web surfing all over the place?
Ads are not a problem with a local e-mail client.

On 2/20/2016 4:49 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
mike wrote on 2016/02/20:

On 2/19/2016 5:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote on 2016/02/19:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:19:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers.

We just need an option to retrieve the ad content without displaying it. The
current method of not requesting the ad content is a stick in their eye,
which is understandable.

And then the game escalates to the next level, whatever that is.

Good idea. Use a separate process to retrieve the otherwise blocked
content but that process runs as low-priority and with throttled
bandwidth. Then retrieving the unwanted content results in minimal
impact on computer and network responsiveness.

But if you have metered service,

If you have metered service, why are you web surfing all over the place?
Ads are not a problem with a local e-mail client.

Motivation is not the issue. It's cost.
If I buy a gigabyte of data and need ALL of it, 500MB of ads is a PROBLEM.

mike wrote on 2016/02/21:

On 2/20/2016 4:49 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
mike wrote on 2016/02/20:

On 2/19/2016 5:22 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote on 2016/02/19:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:19:59 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:

Someday we'll have ad blocker detector blockers.

We just need an option to retrieve the ad content without displaying it. The
current method of not requesting the ad content is a stick in their eye,
which is understandable.

And then the game escalates to the next level, whatever that is.

Good idea. Use a separate process to retrieve the otherwise blocked
content but that process runs as low-priority and with throttled
bandwidth. Then retrieving the unwanted content results in minimal
impact on computer and network responsiveness.

But if you have metered service,

If you have metered service, why are you web surfing all over the place?
Ads are not a problem with a local e-mail client.

Motivation is not the issue. It's cost.
If I buy a gigabyte of data and need ALL of it, 500MB of ads is a PROBLEM.

Because web sites rely on ad revenue to survive (so you can visit there
for free), they can retaliate since they can see if you do not retrieve
some or all of their content (whether on or off-site). So you will be
hitting more sites that will either prod you to disable your adblocking
or be more forceful and choose not to deliver some or any of it to you.
Marketers and sales are starting to fight back. Their property, their
resources, so they can decide what, if anything, they deliver to all
their freeloaders (like me, you, the OP, and every other visitor).

So we will have another round of how to avoid the ads using other
methods. Since they can detect what you retrieve from them or through
them, Char's idea has merit. Fake them out by retrieving the unwanted
content but just not in the client (web browser) you use to view their
site. They are starting to react to survive. Like you, their employees
like paychecks, too. What are you going to do? Passive filtering like
we use now and hope the sites you visit give you at least enough of
theri content to make it worthwhile for you to go there? Once they
start turning off visitors that block their revenue source, it's likely
you will end up getting a minimal or worthless web page from them. It
is happening now. It will get worse as schemes evolve to avoid
client-side ad and tracking blockers.

The war over "it's my property" versus "it's my computer" wages on.