Mail Clients for Win 10

dadiOH wrote:

VanguardLH wrote ...

dadiOH wrote:

Unhappy Camper wrote ...

Mail, is a POS.
Windows Live Mail is marginally better, a buggy POS.
Opera sucks as does Thunderbird.

Any suggestions?

Outlook express

Please explain to the OP just how the OP would get Outlook Express
installed and usable on Windows 10.

Same way as I did. Download the installer from the runasxp site and click
on it.

Ah, so software from somewhere other than Microsoft but might be a
redistribution of Microsoftware. OE from Microsoft is not available
separate of IE; i.e., OE was bundled in IE's installer up to and
including IE6.

Before you explained, you might've be running OE (installed when IE was
installed) inside a virtual machine which requires a separate license
for Windows XP. But, as you mention, there are other ways to get OE
installed (and apparently separate from IE). Don't know if runasxp
catalogued the files and registry entries for OE and rolled them into a
different installer or if they somehow hacked the OE installer out of
the IE installer. Another possibility was that you were using OE
Classic (which isn't OE proper). That's a clone of OE but flaky.

Just so the OP understands, the registrar for the runasxp.com domain
hides behind GoDaddy's private registration. That is, the actual
registrant is not listed in the domain registration. The registrant is
hiding. ICANN requires a valid registrant be listed in a domain
registration. So registrars make some more money by adopting the role
of official contact for a privatized domain.

http://www.whois.com/whois/runasxp.com

A reverse DNS lookup on runasxp.com returns 198.54.115.178. That IP
address is in Namecheap's IP pool, a company known as a large spam
source because they do not enforce their own policies - and spammers
have long known it is a spam haven. Namecheap wants the money. They
don't care about abuse complaints or spam reports. Namecheap was put on
notice by ICANN in May 2014 for a breach of their Registrar
Accreditation Agreement with ICANN. A traceroute on 198.54.115.178
shows web-hosting.com is the webhoster of the runasxp.com domain
(http://www.whois.com/whois/web-hosting.com).

Have you ever monitored to where runasxp's OE program connects? Users
of Incredimail usually are not aware of spying on their e-mail (not the
content but from where sent and to where delivered). Hopefully
runasxp's OE is connecting only to where you configure it to connect.

I have not yet found a privacy policy at runasxp.com. Nor have I found
where they qualify their permission to legitmately disassemble and
redistribute the files for a Microsoft's product. I downloaded the 31MB
file to check what files were included within it. Boy, was that
download s-l-o-w. I then submitted the file to VirusTotal.com. That
shows 2 AVs flagging the file as "riskware"; however, I'm not sure that
I'd care about alerts from K7AntiVirus or K7GW. Never heard of them but
that doesn't mean they aren't good. K7 is not listed or tested at
av-comparatives.org. virusbtn.com does list them but its reactive (sig
based) and pro-active (heuristics based) detection are low; see
https://www.virusbulletin.com/testin...-rap-quadrant/. The
closer to the lower left-hand corner then the worse the AV product. The
top right-hand corner is best. The score at VirusTotal shows runasxp's
OE is probably not a threat. I'm just not sure that it is a legit
redistribution of OE.

runasxp.com mentions the Fidolook extension for OE (www.fidolook.org).
I remember trying that for awhile. Had to discard it due to a severe
lack of usable documentation. It had a lot of nice features but the
user couldn't tell what would happen if options were changed or what the
options did.

On 2016-11-13 09:02, Unhappy Camper wrote:
Mail, is a POS.

Windows Live Mail is marginally better, a buggy POS.

Opera sucks as does Thunderbird.

Any suggestions?

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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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dadiOH wrote:

VanguardLH wrote ...

dadiOH wrote:

Unhappy Camper wrote ...

Mail, is a POS.
Windows Live Mail is marginally better, a buggy POS.
Opera sucks as does Thunderbird.

Any suggestions?

Outlook express

Please explain to the OP just how the OP would get Outlook Express
installed and usable on Windows 10.

Same way as I did. Download the installer from the runasxp site and
click
on it.

Ah, so software from somewhere other than Microsoft but might be a
redistribution of Microsoftware. OE from Microsoft is not available
separate of IE; i.e., OE was bundled in IE's installer up to and
including IE6.

Right.

The score at VirusTotal shows runasxp's
OE is probably not a threat. I'm just not sure that it is a legit
redistribution of OE.

I really don't care if it is legit or not. IMO, MS has not been legit for
decades with users of any of their products.

The runasxp version of OE works just fine. However, in case any Win10 users
decide to try it, they should be aware that - as explained on the runasxp
site - that any Win10 patches will wipe it and they need to manually restore
it. That is NP for me as I never have Win10 patches, turned them off as
soon as I got the Win 10 machine. Yes, I know, I am "vulnerable", don't
care; I am no more vulnerable than I was when I first started using
Microsoft's latest and greatest.

How legit is it for MS to release material that needs constant security
patches? They have been peddling expensive OS software for more than a
third of a century...one would think that in that time they could come up
with a secure OS out of the box. Heck, even Gates' first stepping stone, a
12K Basic interpreter, had bugs.

"VanguardLH" wrote
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| Just so the OP understands, the registrar for the runasxp.com domain
| hides behind GoDaddy's private registration.

That doesn't mean much. Private registration is
common, just like private phone numbers. GoDaddy
use is tacky, as is using gmail for the official
"company" contact email. But neither of those things
is unusual and neither is suspicious. There are a lot
of people running websites who just don't know what
they're doing. There are also lots running seat-of-the
-pants operations: Providing some kind of service on
nearly-free hosting and making a few dollars from ads.
But those people are not necessarily dishonest. They're
just dealing with a medium where freebie is king.
Someone has to pay for the download traffic costs.

I'd be more concerned by DadiOH's note that Win10
updates will regularly erase OE. How far will Win10 users
bend over backward in an attempt to convince themselves
they have a usable product? If XP or 7 just erased a
program, much less a critical program like email, it would
be time for a malware hunt and reinstall. Or maybe new
hardware. But apparently Win10 users have grown
accustomed to just blandly regarding such mayhem as
merely a scheduled Microsoft grenade; part of the
joyous "Windows 10 Experience".

On 2016-11-13 2:33 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Unhappy Camper" wrote in message
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Mail, is a POS.

Windows Live Mail is marginally better, a buggy POS.

Opera sucks as does Thunderbird.

Any suggestions?

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.


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On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

On 2016-11-14 9:29 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

Let's just say that Claws Mail would have felt a lot more comfortable in
Windows 95 than in Windows 10. It operates like a long-obsolete piece of
software and even looks like one.

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On 14/11/2016 10:33 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2016-11-14 9:29 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

Let's just say that Claws Mail would have felt a lot more comfortable in
Windows 95 than in Windows 10. It operates like a long-obsolete piece of
software and even looks like one.

Could I paint Claws' fingernail?

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:33:24 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-11-14 9:29 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

Let's just say that Claws Mail would have felt a lot more comfortable in
Windows 95 than in Windows 10. It operates like a long-obsolete piece of
software and even looks like one.

I've used Windows since 1.0 but I've never even heard of Claws Mail. I
use Forte Agent for both email and usenet.

Steve

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On 2016-11-14, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:33:24 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-11-14 9:29 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

Let's just say that Claws Mail would have felt a lot more comfortable in
Windows 95 than in Windows 10. It operates like a long-obsolete piece of
software and even looks like one.

I've used Windows since 1.0 but I've never even heard of Claws Mail. I
use Forte Agent for both email and usenet.

Steve


That is because Claws Mail works only with cygwin.... it is Gtk
application... speaking of Claws , I use it for usenet sometimes but I
switched to slrn recently...


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On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:31:37 +0000 (UTC), Melzzzzz
wrote:

On 2016-11-14, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:33:24 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-11-14 9:29 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

Let's just say that Claws Mail would have felt a lot more comfortable in
Windows 95 than in Windows 10. It operates like a long-obsolete piece of
software and even looks like one.

I've used Windows since 1.0 but I've never even heard of Claws Mail. I
use Forte Agent for both email and usenet.

Steve


That is because Claws Mail works only with cygwin.... it is Gtk
application... speaking of Claws , I use it for usenet sometimes but I
switched to slrn recently...

That's another reason I've never heard of it. I've never used cygwin.

Steve

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On 2016-11-14 9:54 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:33:24 -0500, Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-11-14 9:29 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 14/11/2016 10:24 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

Outlook express

Claws Mail

Claws is hilariously awful.

Do their fingernails scratch your face mentally, Your Honor?

Let's just say that Claws Mail would have felt a lot more comfortable in
Windows 95 than in Windows 10. It operates like a long-obsolete piece of
software and even looks like one.

I've used Windows since 1.0 but I've never even heard of Claws Mail. I
use Forte Agent for both email and usenet.

Claws Mail = low quality open-source product recommended by renowned
vagabond Richard "Wretched" Stallman.


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On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:13:27 -0500
Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-11-14 2:19 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

What's "awful"?

Let's just say that using it is very cumbersome and since it's an
open-source product, you can't rely on it to be stable.


How do you know while actually never using it?


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On 2016-11-14 3:29 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:13:27 -0500
Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-11-14 2:19 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

What's "awful"?

Let's just say that using it is very cumbersome and since it's an
open-source product, you can't rely on it to be stable.


How do you know while actually never using it?

I _did_ use it but found it underwhelming fairly quickly. I only
considered it because GnuPG support is built-in which makes it
attractive but like every other Gnu project, it's not quite polished.

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Claws Mail: Installation and Use (Part 1 of 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToShZMC-6c
(auto-play goes to the remaining parts)

"even though it's a text based client". Huh? Look GUI'ed to me.
Wouldn't need the GTK+ package if it had no GUI.

"The only pain-in-the-butt part is that it is not easy to configure."

"it's so quick". Don't know how big is the message store in his test.

"queue messes up [in Claws Mail] on IMAP". Looks like the Queue folder
is called Outbox in other e-mail clients.

He shows having to install a plug-in so HTML-formatted e-mails get
rendered properly. So HTML viewing must not be a native feature within
Claws Mail. Odd since every other GUI e-mail client that I've tried
handled HTML-formatted e-mails okay. Later he shows the Preferences to
display HTML-formatted e-mails and those options require the plug-in.
Well, if the options are in the GUI config screen then the plug-in
should have been installed by default when installing the program.

He sets the mail polling interval. Claws Mail does not support IMAP
IDLE? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE doesn't show Claws Mail
as supporting IMAP IDLE. Crap. Normally "Check for mail every" and
"Check for mail on startup" are only needed for POP.

(timemark 4:00) Shows him putting his signature at the wrong location.
Whether e-mail or newsgroups, sigs always go at the bottom whether you
top- or bottom-post. He mentions the qualifiers that can be used in
templates. Apparently the Information button does not provide a
decription of all the available qualifiers, like %D, so he shows going
to a web site to get that info. This is the reason why I dumped the
Fidolook extension for OE: crappy documentation.

When he described the fonts preferences, I saw no means of selecting
fallback fonts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallback_font). Don't
recall if OE had that, either.

All in all, doesn't seem that "awful". I would prefer a native Windows
program over one that uses cross-platform coding frameworks (which
mostly seems to bring Linux paradigms to Windows) but it seems to be
mostly okay (if you only want to send plain-text messages - see below).
Tweaking can get, as the author says, a bit nerdy at times.

I did not see an equivalent of Thunderbird's Unified Folders view which
I like in that program. Instead of seeing a tree packed with multiple
e-mail accounts and have to click on each Inbox to get at those
messages, I can use a unified Inbox folder (and even select which
accounts' Inboxes to include in the unified Inbox). I add the Account
column to the header list pane so I can tell under which account a
message is stored. Don't recall OE having a unified view. MS Outlook
doesn't and only has a Favorites list.

I could not tell from the video if Claws Mail releases its UI resources
when it gets minimized to the tray icon. That would reduces the memory
footprint when the user is not actually in the program's GUI. The
graphical objects don't need to stay loaded just to have the program do
its e-mail tasks.

(timemark 5:15) You cannot compose in HTML. You can only compose,
reply, and forward in plain text. Well, that sucks. I don't use much
of HTML but do use bolding, italics, coloring, and even occasionally use
tables to keep content aligned. Bullets and paragraph indenting are
also nice. Not available in this e-mail client. The author equates
lack for formatting with cell phone texting. WTF is that about? So
some technology has less features. Are we also going to go back to
ASCII-7 because, gee, that's what teletype machines could use? He's
using a program on a real computer, not on a toy computer (smartphone).
There's no reason to toss away features for some lowest common
denominator scenario that doesn't exist. Claws Mail is not available as
an Android or iOS app.