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Eric Stevens wrote:
If 1-7 should be the same why does Corsair think it is on a different network? On what display or dialog do you see that descriptor ? Is it a place that would normally hold an SSID ? Paul |
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 20:38:52 -0400, Paul wrote:
To my way of thinking, the switch should be transparent. The left-over Ethernet ports on the NF4 should be "the same" as the four ports on the GS105. snipped ascii art Maybe if Char is around, Char can confirm this. When you put a bunch of routing devices in a row, they may all be able to see the Internet, but not always see one another (unroutable IP). But a switch shouldn't be a problem. I agree with all of the above. Regarding that last paragraph, in the current context you're talking about NAT routers, which of course are by far the most common for home users. It's not the fact that they're routers that causes certain connectivity issues, nor the fact that they do NAT. It's the stateful firewall that such devices have. In a nutshell, LAN-WAN traffic is always allowed, but WAN-LAN traffic needs to have an existing entry in the connection table to avoid being dropped. Port forwarding (or using the DMZ feature) is a workaround for the effects of the stateful firewall. |
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:18:14 -0400, Paul
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: If 1-7 should be the same why does Corsair think it is on a different network? On what display or dialog do you see that descriptor ? See Corsair network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgm16wxgxk...twork.JPG?dl=0 See Dell network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/93p5nuet1o...twork.JPG?dl=0 Is it a place that would normally hold an SSID ? Paul -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:18:14 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: If 1-7 should be the same why does Corsair think it is on a different network? On what display or dialog do you see that descriptor ? See Corsair network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgm16wxgxk...twork.JPG?dl=0 See Dell network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/93p5nuet1o...twork.JPG?dl=0 Is it a place that would normally hold an SSID ? Paul The output is supposed to be the same as "ipconfig /all". https://www.techrepublic.com/article...rties-feature/ Yours looks like some fields are getting mixed up. But there is also evidence the machine does have Wifi on it. There's an adapter hiding in there somewhere. At the bottom of your Corsair picture it shows Description: Broadcom 802.11ac Network Adapter Maybe the "ipconfig /all" will give cleaner output for your consideration ? This is just one style of working, YMMV. cd /d %userprofile%\Downloads # Some place to work ipconfig /all network_details.txt # Dump (if too long for screen) notepad network_details.txt # Copy/Paste to USENET... Your Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) should also have matching entries to align with some of your ipconfig. I have some TAP/TUN things from VM hosting software, and I don't think they have a correspondence with Device Manager. If you're not using stuff like that, then the correspondence should be easier to study. https://i.postimg.cc/HsfFb3rQ/my-network-properties.gif It's possible for more than one network adapter to be present, in which case their "metric" determines whether they're used or not. The wired connection may have a higher weight than the Wifi (if it is actually present). HTH, Paul |
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 06:11:29 -0500, Paul
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:18:14 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: If 1-7 should be the same why does Corsair think it is on a different network? On what display or dialog do you see that descriptor ? See Corsair network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgm16wxgxk...twork.JPG?dl=0 See Dell network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/93p5nuet1o...twork.JPG?dl=0 Is it a place that would normally hold an SSID ? Paul The output is supposed to be the same as "ipconfig /all". https://www.techrepublic.com/article...rties-feature/ Yours looks like some fields are getting mixed up. But there is also evidence the machine does have Wifi on it. Corsair has that capability but (a) it is not enabled and (b) it lacks an antennae. Here is Belarc's take on the situation https://www.dropbox.com/s/vo1v86hipb...elarc.JPG?dl=0 To confuse the situation, the wifi button at the rihgthand end of the tool bar when provoked produces a pop-up screen at the bottom of the right-hand corner of the screen which says "Your New Wi Fi - Connected". As A result of trying to show you this I have learned that I seem to have lost print-screen. In contrast this is the is the situation for Dell https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8q17o02ra...elarc.JPG?dl=0 There's an adapter hiding in there somewhere. At the bottom of your Corsair picture it shows Description: Broadcom 802.11ac Network Adapter Maybe the "ipconfig /all" will give cleaner output for your consideration ? This is just one style of working, YMMV. cd /d %userprofile%\Downloads # Some place to work ipconfig /all network_details.txt # Dump (if too long for screen) notepad network_details.txt # Copy/Paste to USENET... Your Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) should also have matching entries to align with some of your ipconfig. I have some TAP/TUN things from VM hosting software, and I don't think they have a correspondence with Device Manager. If you're not using stuff like that, then the correspondence should be easier to study. https://i.postimg.cc/HsfFb3rQ/my-network-properties.gif It's possible for more than one network adapter to be present, in which case their "metric" determines whether they're used or not. The wired connection may have a higher weight than the Wifi (if it is actually present). HTH, Paul -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 06:11:29 -0500, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 00:18:14 -0400, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: If 1-7 should be the same why does Corsair think it is on a different network? On what display or dialog do you see that descriptor ? See Corsair network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgm16wxgxk...twork.JPG?dl=0 See Dell network properties https://www.dropbox.com/s/93p5nuet1o...twork.JPG?dl=0 Is it a place that would normally hold an SSID ? Paul The output is supposed to be the same as "ipconfig /all". https://www.techrepublic.com/article...rties-feature/ Yours looks like some fields are getting mixed up. But there is also evidence the machine does have Wifi on it. Corsair has that capability but (a) it is not enabled and (b) it lacks an antennae. Here is Belarc's take on the situation https://www.dropbox.com/s/vo1v86hipb...elarc.JPG?dl=0 To confuse the situation, the wifi button at the rihgthand end of the tool bar when provoked produces a pop-up screen at the bottom of the right-hand corner of the screen which says "Your New Wi Fi - Connected". As A result of trying to show you this I have learned that I seem to have lost print-screen. In contrast this is the is the situation for Dell https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8q17o02ra...elarc.JPG?dl=0 The debug kernel one, is mentioned here. A poster claims it is a byproduct of Microsoft Support remoting into your computer. It seems to have the usual symptoms when you poke it with a stick. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...8-8cbb3e38a5ad Paul |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:07:38 -0500, Paul
wrote: In contrast this is the is the situation for Dell https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8q17o02ra...elarc.JPG?dl=0 The debug kernel one, is mentioned here. A poster claims it is a byproduct of Microsoft Support remoting into your computer. It seems to have the usual symptoms when you poke it with a stick. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...8-8cbb3e38a5ad I remember when Dell was my #1 computer I was helped very effectively by a MS tech making a remote desktop connection into it. Presumably this is a left-over from that occasion. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:53:30 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote: I have two computers on my home network, Corsair which is fairly new running Windows 10 Home (1809 17763.55) and Dell which is running Windows 10 Pro (1803 17134.285). For a long time I have had problems networking the two computers. Dell could access Corsair and move files backwards and forwards but while Corsair could see Dell's shared folders it could not move anything either in or out of them. Not only that but password and credentials for file sharing was driving me nuts. Today I sat down and decided to tidy up the whole mess. First thing I did was turn off password file sharing. Then I went through both machines giving them identical settings for anything to do with networking and file sharing. As far as I can see the networking setup of both machines is identical. I now have the reverse of the previous situation. Corsair seems to be able to access and do anything inside the shared folders on Dell, but while Dell can see the shared folders on Corsair any attempt to access them is met by "You do not have permission etc ...". --- snip --- I'm still chasing this problem down and stiil have not succeeded in giving the machine identical setups. One of the problems is user names and I am trying to straighten out the situation on Corsair https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecu7edpije...rties.jpg?dl=0 shows the situation. If If give CMD instruction "netplwiz' I end up the User Accounts screen on the left. There I can see there are two users I presume the use of an email address rfather than a name signifies a Microsoft acount. When I click on 'properties' for each one in turn I get the two different results linked by the red lines. Clearly they are different in some important way. The user name of Playtech was given by the machine's builders and has always irritated me. I would like to change the name 'Playtech' to Eric Stevens but there seems to be some risk attached to this. Something which puzzles me is that I have these two accounts but I am presented only with the one name when I log on. Further, the Playtech account is the only one I seem to be using. If anyone can throw aany light on this I would be grateful. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 16:50:50 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:53:30 +1300, Eric Stevens wrote: I have two computers on my home network, Corsair which is fairly new running Windows 10 Home (1809 17763.55) and Dell which is running Windows 10 Pro (1803 17134.285). For a long time I have had problems networking the two computers. Dell could access Corsair and move files backwards and forwards but while Corsair could see Dell's shared folders it could not move anything either in or out of them. Not only that but password and credentials for file sharing was driving me nuts. Today I sat down and decided to tidy up the whole mess. First thing I did was turn off password file sharing. Then I went through both machines giving them identical settings for anything to do with networking and file sharing. As far as I can see the networking setup of both machines is identical. I now have the reverse of the previous situation. Corsair seems to be able to access and do anything inside the shared folders on Dell, but while Dell can see the shared folders on Corsair any attempt to access them is met by "You do not have permission etc ...". --- snip --- I'm still chasing this problem down and stiil have not succeeded in giving the machine identical setups. One of the problems is user names and I am trying to straighten out the situation on Corsair https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecu7edpije...rties.jpg?dl=0 shows the situation. If If give CMD instruction "netplwiz' I end up the User Accounts screen on the left. There I can see there are two users I presume the use of an email address rfather than a name signifies a Microsoft acount. When I click on 'properties' for each one in turn I get the two different results linked by the red lines. Clearly they are different in some important way. The user name of Playtech was given by the machine's builders and has always irritated me. I would like to change the name 'Playtech' to Eric Stevens but there seems to be some risk attached to this. Something which puzzles me is that I have these two accounts but I am presented only with the one name when I log on. Further, the Playtech account is the only one I seem to be using. If anyone can throw aany light on this I would be grateful. Bugger it! I've chickened out. I've bought a book. It will be a while before it gets to me. There was a time when I could have handled a problem like this one but I have far too little understanding of what's going on in Windows networking. I shall return. :-) -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:53:30 +1300, Eric Stevens wrote: I have two computers on my home network, Corsair which is fairly new running Windows 10 Home (1809 17763.55) and Dell which is running Windows 10 Pro (1803 17134.285). For a long time I have had problems networking the two computers. Dell could access Corsair and move files backwards and forwards but while Corsair could see Dell's shared folders it could not move anything either in or out of them. Not only that but password and credentials for file sharing was driving me nuts. Today I sat down and decided to tidy up the whole mess. First thing I did was turn off password file sharing. Then I went through both machines giving them identical settings for anything to do with networking and file sharing. As far as I can see the networking setup of both machines is identical. I now have the reverse of the previous situation. Corsair seems to be able to access and do anything inside the shared folders on Dell, but while Dell can see the shared folders on Corsair any attempt to access them is met by "You do not have permission etc ...". --- snip --- I'm still chasing this problem down and stiil have not succeeded in giving the machine identical setups. One of the problems is user names and I am trying to straighten out the situation on Corsair https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecu7edpije...rties.jpg?dl=0 shows the situation. If If give CMD instruction "netplwiz' I end up the User Accounts screen on the left. There I can see there are two users I presume the use of an email address rfather than a name signifies a Microsoft acount. When I click on 'properties' for each one in turn I get the two different results linked by the red lines. Clearly they are different in some important way. The user name of Playtech was given by the machine's builders and has always irritated me. I would like to change the name 'Playtech' to Eric Stevens but there seems to be some risk attached to this. Something which puzzles me is that I have these two accounts but I am presented only with the one name when I log on. Further, the Playtech account is the only one I seem to be using. If anyone can throw aany light on this I would be grateful. You have two accounts that look very similar. What does this report ? wmic useraccount get name,sid I don't see how it's practical to have two SIDs owning a single home directory. There is no problem at all, to have multiple SIDs stamped on a file. That's not the impractical part. The impractical part is hiding the details from the user, so they don't notice "something strange" going on with the permissions :-) I'll have to fire up my insider disk to check. I have two setups. Both have MSA. One maybe installed with MSA first. A second install where the MSA was applied to an existing account. I have cleanup to do from previous experiments before I'll get a chance to try that. Paul |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:30:43 -0500, Paul
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:53:30 +1300, Eric Stevens wrote: I have two computers on my home network, Corsair which is fairly new running Windows 10 Home (1809 17763.55) and Dell which is running Windows 10 Pro (1803 17134.285). For a long time I have had problems networking the two computers. Dell could access Corsair and move files backwards and forwards but while Corsair could see Dell's shared folders it could not move anything either in or out of them. Not only that but password and credentials for file sharing was driving me nuts. Today I sat down and decided to tidy up the whole mess. First thing I did was turn off password file sharing. Then I went through both machines giving them identical settings for anything to do with networking and file sharing. As far as I can see the networking setup of both machines is identical. I now have the reverse of the previous situation. Corsair seems to be able to access and do anything inside the shared folders on Dell, but while Dell can see the shared folders on Corsair any attempt to access them is met by "You do not have permission etc ...". --- snip --- I'm still chasing this problem down and stiil have not succeeded in giving the machine identical setups. One of the problems is user names and I am trying to straighten out the situation on Corsair https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecu7edpije...rties.jpg?dl=0 shows the situation. If If give CMD instruction "netplwiz' I end up the User Accounts screen on the left. There I can see there are two users I presume the use of an email address rfather than a name signifies a Microsoft acount. When I click on 'properties' for each one in turn I get the two different results linked by the red lines. Clearly they are different in some important way. The user name of Playtech was given by the machine's builders and has always irritated me. I would like to change the name 'Playtech' to Eric Stevens but there seems to be some risk attached to this. Something which puzzles me is that I have these two accounts but I am presented only with the one name when I log on. Further, the Playtech account is the only one I seem to be using. If anyone can throw aany light on this I would be grateful. You have two accounts that look very similar. What does this report ? Name SID Administrator S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-500 DefaultAccount S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-503 defaultuser0 S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1003 Guest S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-501 HomeGroupUser$ S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1009 Playtech S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1004 WDAGUtilityAccount S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-504 wmic useraccount get name,sid I don't see how it's practical to have two SIDs owning a single home directory. There is no problem at all, to have multiple SIDs stamped on a file. That's not the impractical part. The impractical part is hiding the details from the user, so they don't notice "something strange" going on with the permissions :-) I'll have to fire up my insider disk to check. I have two setups. Both have MSA. One maybe installed with MSA first. A second install where the MSA was applied to an existing account. I have cleanup to do from previous experiments before I'll get a chance to try that. Paul -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:30:43 -0500, Paul wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 15:53:30 +1300, Eric Stevens wrote: I have two computers on my home network, Corsair which is fairly new running Windows 10 Home (1809 17763.55) and Dell which is running Windows 10 Pro (1803 17134.285). For a long time I have had problems networking the two computers. Dell could access Corsair and move files backwards and forwards but while Corsair could see Dell's shared folders it could not move anything either in or out of them. Not only that but password and credentials for file sharing was driving me nuts. Today I sat down and decided to tidy up the whole mess. First thing I did was turn off password file sharing. Then I went through both machines giving them identical settings for anything to do with networking and file sharing. As far as I can see the networking setup of both machines is identical. I now have the reverse of the previous situation. Corsair seems to be able to access and do anything inside the shared folders on Dell, but while Dell can see the shared folders on Corsair any attempt to access them is met by "You do not have permission etc ...". --- snip --- I'm still chasing this problem down and stiil have not succeeded in giving the machine identical setups. One of the problems is user names and I am trying to straighten out the situation on Corsair https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecu7edpije...rties.jpg?dl=0 shows the situation. If If give CMD instruction "netplwiz' I end up the User Accounts screen on the left. There I can see there are two users I presume the use of an email address rfather than a name signifies a Microsoft acount. When I click on 'properties' for each one in turn I get the two different results linked by the red lines. Clearly they are different in some important way. The user name of Playtech was given by the machine's builders and has always irritated me. I would like to change the name 'Playtech' to Eric Stevens but there seems to be some risk attached to this. Something which puzzles me is that I have these two accounts but I am presented only with the one name when I log on. Further, the Playtech account is the only one I seem to be using. If anyone can throw aany light on this I would be grateful. You have two accounts that look very similar. What does this report ? Name SID Administrator S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-500 DefaultAccount S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-503 defaultuser0 S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1003 Guest S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-501 HomeGroupUser$ S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1009 Playtech S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1004 WDAGUtilityAccount S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-504 This is info on defaultuser0. It doesn't seem it's a real account. https://superuser.com/questions/1152...safe-to-delete We know HomeGroupUser$ is a side effect of HomeGroup. Leaving just your 1004 account. User account space starts at 1000. Real administrator is 500 (and the account normally isn't enabled, since the user account belonging to "Administrator Group" gives all the same super-powers). I had expected there would be two separate accounts in this adventure. Don't forget to check C:\users and see how many things are nestled in there. Paul |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 21:19:47 -0500, Paul
wrote: --- snip --- Something which puzzles me is that I have these two accounts but I am presented only with the one name when I log on. Further, the Playtech account is the only one I seem to be using. If anyone can throw aany light on this I would be grateful. You have two accounts that look very similar. What does this report ? Name SID Administrator S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-500 DefaultAccount S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-503 defaultuser0 S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1003 Guest S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-501 HomeGroupUser$ S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1009 Playtech S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-1004 WDAGUtilityAccount S-1-5-21-2704639561-4171982726-810760020-504 This is info on defaultuser0. It doesn't seem it's a real account. https://superuser.com/questions/1152...safe-to-delete Presumably it's safe to delete it? We know HomeGroupUser$ is a side effect of HomeGroup. I don't use that. Should I leave it or delete it? Leaving just your 1004 account. User account space starts at 1000. Is it possible to rename user 'Playtech" or does that have problems? All this is foreign territory to me and I am reluctant to fiddle with things I do not fully understand. Real administrator is 500 (and the account normally isn't enabled, since the user account belonging to "Administrator Group" gives all the same super-powers). I had expected there would be two separate accounts in this adventure. I didn't tell you but since posting the message to which you have responded I deleted one apparently unused Eric Stevens account. Don't forget to check C:\users and see how many things are nestled in there. Default defaultuser0 defaultuser0.DESKTOP-JLUGNMC Eric Stevens.old (The deleted user) Playtech Public -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 21:19:47 -0500, Paul I had expected there would be two separate accounts in this adventure. I didn't tell you but since posting the message to which you have responded I deleted one apparently unused Eric Stevens account. Don't forget to check C:\users and see how many things are nestled in there. Default defaultuser0 defaultuser0.DESKTOP-JLUGNMC Eric Stevens.old (The deleted user) Playtech Public But I think that's the part that is busted. The Full Name might be Eric Stevens on the C:\users\playtech account, because of the MSA you applied to it. Whereas the account you just deleted, the C:\users\eric stevens would actually have been useful (because it doesn't say Playtech). It could have been a local account, and even been "mostly preserved" when applying an MSA, because of your clever choice of email address. The Full Name would have remained the same. I thought this was one of the limitations of renaming, is you can find a way to change the Full Name, but cannot change C:\users\playtech. Changing the Full Name is supported in the GUI or something. Well, actually, you can change the path. But "there be alligators". You'll be cleaning up the side effects forever. You would be entertained. If you succeed, you will have earned your Cert. There's a 13 step procedure here, complete with being tossed into a temporary account at login because the system can't figure it out. Just imagine how upset OneDrive will be. Or the App Store registration of having purchased (or even downloaded for free), some App. These could easily have the home directory path hashed into them somehow. https://superuser.com/questions/8908...-in-windows-10 And due to the bad obfuscation practices of the staff at Microsoft, you couldn't even search the entire disk drive and replace every "playtech" reference, because some things are encoded using silly methods before being put in the registry. For example, a license key for an OS, isn't stored as just 25 characters. It's "slightly compressed" to **** you off. The code and method were reverse engineered, which is why, today, we can extract a key using several tools. But MS has a bad habit of doing stuff like that. Even the staff at Mozilla like crap like that, with their .jsonlz4 file format. Which is a needless compression step only introduced to prevent users from conveniently editing the file in question. They could have used encryption, but they chose compression instead, as a "good enough nuisance". Pestilence. Good luck on your mission. Paul |
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