Microsoft killing off Desktop Gadgets!

On 11/11/2013 18:15, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Char Jackson on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:07:28 -0600
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:57:00 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Char Jackson on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 09:38:51 -0600
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:05:28 -0600, Bob I wrote:
On 11/8/2013 4:15 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Thanks. Unfortunately, I want to use it at work, where they're very
fussy about any software, hence my wondering if there's a way of making
Windows 7's own clock/calendar stay up.

R-click Notification area, Adjust date/time, click Change date and time.

I don't see any option there to make the clock stay visible.

And that is the problem. We want a clock to be where we can see
it possibly with the option to have the date as well, and not have to
stop what we are doing, and open yet another window to see what time
it is. If windows is going this way, we may have to just buy a small
travel clock and stick it on the monitor.

My taskbar is two rows tall/wide, so I see the time, the day of the week,
and the date, at all times.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but "10:11 AM" doesn't tell me "the
morning's half over" the way "big hand on the ten, little hand on the
two" does.

Wot big'hand on 10, u min the little'hand on 10 etc... as otherwise the
morning is well over...

Do what I do and have an old analogue face watch resting on your desk in
front of the monitor screen preferably showing both day and date in
addition to time! Actually I prefer to have my 10 year old Casio Digital
Watch in front of the monitor screen in my direct line of vision. ****
beat that!
;-)
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choro on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:26:37 +0000 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
On 11/11/2013 18:15, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Char Jackson on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:07:28 -0600
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:57:00 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Char Jackson on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 09:38:51 -0600
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:05:28 -0600, Bob I wrote:
On 11/8/2013 4:15 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Thanks. Unfortunately, I want to use it at work, where they're very
fussy about any software, hence my wondering if there's a way of making
Windows 7's own clock/calendar stay up.

R-click Notification area, Adjust date/time, click Change date and time.

I don't see any option there to make the clock stay visible.

And that is the problem. We want a clock to be where we can see
it possibly with the option to have the date as well, and not have to
stop what we are doing, and open yet another window to see what time
it is. If windows is going this way, we may have to just buy a small
travel clock and stick it on the monitor.

My taskbar is two rows tall/wide, so I see the time, the day of the week,
and the date, at all times.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but "10:11 AM" doesn't tell me "the
morning's half over" the way "big hand on the ten, little hand on the
two" does.

Wot big'hand on 10, u min the little'hand on 10 etc... as otherwise the
morning is well over...
I learned to tell time before digital clocks.

You're lucky that was after mechanical clocks replaced sundials.
Or I'd be saying "it is the second hour of the first watch, on the eve
of Tuesday."

Do what I do and have an old analogue face watch resting on your desk in
front of the monitor screen preferably showing both day and date in
addition to time! Actually I prefer to have my 10 year old Casio Digital
Watch in front of the monitor screen in my direct line of vision. ****
beat that!

I've got a travel alarm clock stuck to the monitor at eye level,
on the left side of Monitor 1. I also have the gadget in the upper
left corner of Monitor 2
;-)

B-)

pyotr



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room three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but "10:11 AM" doesn't tell me "the
morning's half over" the way "big hand on the ten, little hand on
the two" does.

Correct. Weird fact, people do NOT look at their watches to see what
time it is, they look it see how long before they need to be somewhere
or do something and only an analog watch/clock gives that info.

Test: Next time you see someone look at their watch, wait a second or
two and ask 'em, "what time is it?"

In almost every case they can't answer w/o looking at their watch again
because..... see "Weird fact" above!

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:18:34 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote:
choro on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:26:37 +0000 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
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two" does.

Wot big'hand on 10, u min the little'hand on 10 etc... as otherwise the
morning is well over...
I learned to tell time before digital clocks.


Are you trolling? Anyone capable of using a computer is certainly
capable of reading a digital clock.

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http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:29:00 -0700, "XS11E"
wrote in article ...

Weird fact, people do NOT look at their watches to see what
time it is, they look it see how long before they need to be somewhere
or do something and only an analog watch/clock gives that info.

"only an analog watch/clock gives that info"
That has to be the strangest assertion I've see in a long time - a
digital watch/clock gives just as much, if not more, information about
how long there is until an event as an analog watch/clock does - the
only possible exception I can think of would be if the event is within
an hour of the current time, and to be honest I still think they are
equivalent.

--
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"Yeah. Listen, I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox, my father was Zaphod Beeblebrox
the Second, my grandfather Zaphod Beeblebrox the Third..."

"What?"

"There was an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine. Now
concentrate!"

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:42:12 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:29:00 -0700, "XS11E"
wrote in article ...

Weird fact, people do NOT look at their watches to see what
time it is, they look it see how long before they need to be somewhere
or do something and only an analog watch/clock gives that info.

"only an analog watch/clock gives that info"
That has to be the strangest assertion I've see in a long time - a
digital watch/clock gives just as much, if not more, information about
how long there is until an event as an analog watch/clock does - the
only possible exception I can think of would be if the event is within
an hour of the current time, and to be honest I still think they are
equivalent.

+1 on all counts.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:29:00 -0700, "XS11E"
wrote in article
...

Weird fact, people do NOT look at their watches to see what
time it is, they look it see how long before they need to be
somewhere or do something and only an analog watch/clock gives
that info.

"only an analog watch/clock gives that info"

That has to be the strangest assertion I've see in a long time - a
digital watch/clock gives just as much, if not more, information
about how long there is until an event as an analog watch/clock
does -

But not in an easily visible form. An analog clock/watch presents a
picture of the day in instantly understandable format, a digital watch
gives NO information other than the exact time which requires mental
calculation to determine how much time remains before an event.


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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:16:30 -0700, "XS11E"
wrote in article ...

Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:29:00 -0700, "XS11E"
wrote in article
...

Weird fact, people do NOT look at their watches to see what
time it is, they look it see how long before they need to be
somewhere or do something and only an analog watch/clock gives
that info.

"only an analog watch/clock gives that info"

That has to be the strangest assertion I've see in a long time - a
digital watch/clock gives just as much, if not more, information
about how long there is until an event as an analog watch/clock
does -

But not in an easily visible form. An analog clock/watch presents a
picture of the day in instantly understandable format, a digital watch
gives NO information other than the exact time which requires mental
calculation to determine how much time remains before an event.

That is true if your mind is trained to only work with the arbitrary
constraints that an analog clock works within. Once you break out of
those constraints not only does a digital clock equal the information
provided by an analog clock, it easily exceeds it.

For example, the day has 24 hours, but an analog clock shows 1 - 12 for
the hours of the day. Without additional context, looking at a clock
that says "8:47" you have no idea whether that is morning or evening.
By contrast, a digital clock either shows am/pm or is easily configured
to 24-hour mode (or both), which gives more information about what part
of the day you are in than an analog clock does.

And I disagree that you don't have to do mental calculations to know
how much time remains before an event when looking at an analog clock.
Step one, convert time of event to hand position (alternatively,
convert clock hand position to numeric representation of current
time)...

--
Zaphod

The secret of flying is to hurl yourself to the ground, and miss.

On 11/12/2013 1:16 PM, XS11E wrote:
Zaphod wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:29:00 -0700, "XS11E"
wrote in article
...

Weird fact, people do NOT look at their watches to see what
time it is, they look it see how long before they need to be
somewhere or do something and only an analog watch/clock gives
that info.

"only an analog watch/clock gives that info"

That has to be the strangest assertion I've see in a long time - a
digital watch/clock gives just as much, if not more, information
about how long there is until an event as an analog watch/clock
does -

But not in an easily visible form. An analog clock/watch presents a
picture of the day in instantly understandable format, a digital watch
gives NO information other than the exact time which requires mental
calculation to determine how much time remains before an event.

I totally get that. Although I have a collection of watches and I'll
switch watches during the day. And I am a bit torn between digital and
analog watches. As digital often can provide more information than
analog watches. So the extra effort is usually worth it to me.

The beginning of this year, my thing about watches totally changed. As I
found cell phone watches well below retail selling on eBay. The first
one I got was 20 bucks. And I figured even if I hated it, for 20 bucks
it was worth the experience anyway. After all, it was the cost of one
pizza and beer and that was gone in a a night anyway.

Well that 20 bucks changed everything. I don't need a cell phone 24/7
thank goodness. Mostly just when traveling. And there isn't a need to
wonder where the stupid phone is, as it is on your wrist. And with a
cheap Bluetooth earpiece, you don't have to look like Dick Tracy talking
to your watch. But then again, you look pretty cool talking to your watch.

Anyway as a watch, I have it set to display the time as an analog. The
bad news is that when it times out from the last button press or the
last screen touch, the display will blank out. So you can't just glance
to see the time later. You actually have to touch it. Bummer!

So when I am not wearing a cell phone watch, I'll switch between an
analog and a digital watch. I'm not sure why, maybe it is just the
change of pace for awhile.


--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:00 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

For example, the day has 24 hours, but an analog clock shows 1 - 12 for
the hours of the day.

There are analog clocks made[1] for radio amateurs or for dispatch or
communication centers that actually do have a 24-hour dial, where the
little hand goes at half of the angular velocity of the usual clock.

There are also clocks (probably only watches, actually) that have a
little window showing a sun or moon symbol. This helps one distinguish
between AM and PM, since the time from 6 AM to 6 PM shows a sun and the
next 12 hours shows a moon.

The last sounds like 6 o'clock might be ambiguous, but since the
indicators on the ones I've seen rotate slowly, at 6 AM the moon is to
the right (setting) and the sun to the left (rising), and so on.

Obviously the above doesn't in any meaningful way contradict what you
said.

[1] At least there used to be...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 11/12/2013 6:44 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:00 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

For example, the day has 24 hours, but an analog clock shows 1 - 12 for
the hours of the day.

There are analog clocks made[1] for radio amateurs or for dispatch or
communication centers that actually do have a 24-hour dial, where the
little hand goes at half of the angular velocity of the usual clock.

[1] At least there used to be...

Well shortwave and maybe ham users use UTC clocks a lot. Well even most
computers whether or not the user knows about it or not uses UTC time
which is 24 hour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordi...Universal_Time

As for 24 hour clocks, those of us that served in the the US military
should know all about 24 hour clocks. Although in many parts of the
world, I think they know all about 24 hour clocks and it isn't a problem
for them either.

There are also clocks (probably only watches, actually) that have a
little window showing a sun or moon symbol. This helps one distinguish
between AM and PM, since the time from 6 AM to 6 PM shows a sun and the
next 12 hours shows a moon.

The last sounds like 6 o'clock might be ambiguous, but since the
indicators on the ones I've seen rotate slowly, at 6 AM the moon is to
the right (setting) and the sun to the left (rising), and so on.

Wow! I never saw this but I would instantly figure it out if I did.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm very impressed.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

You guys are going to have to learn how to program a computer. You will
need a language which you can compile into a dot exe, and a learner's
knowledge of how to get the system time, how to create a little shape with
the time inside, and how to make it always on top. You could write what you
want in about two minutes.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:44:51 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
lid wrote in article
...

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:00 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

For example, the day has 24 hours, but an analog clock shows 1 - 12 for
the hours of the day.

There are analog clocks made[1] for radio amateurs or for dispatch or
communication centers that actually do have a 24-hour dial, where the
little hand goes at half of the angular velocity of the usual clock.

There are also clocks (probably only watches, actually) that have a
little window showing a sun or moon symbol. This helps one distinguish
between AM and PM, since the time from 6 AM to 6 PM shows a sun and the
next 12 hours shows a moon.

The last sounds like 6 o'clock might be ambiguous, but since the
indicators on the ones I've seen rotate slowly, at 6 AM the moon is to
the right (setting) and the sun to the left (rising), and so on.

Obviously the above doesn't in any meaningful way contradict what you
said.

[1] At least there used to be...

And in the military they also have (had?) clocks with 24-hour dials as
well, specifically to overcome the limitations and issues of the
standard analog clock face. I wasn't aware they were seen outside of
that venue but it makes sense.

As you said, it doesn't contradict what I was saying, if anything it
underlines the constraints of the standard analog clock face.

--
Zaphod

Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt

Zaphod Beeblebrox on Wed, 13
Nov 2013 07:27:39 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:44:51 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" not-
wrote in article
...

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:21:00 -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

For example, the day has 24 hours, but an analog clock shows 1 - 12 for
the hours of the day.

There are analog clocks made[1] for radio amateurs or for dispatch or
communication centers that actually do have a 24-hour dial, where the
little hand goes at half of the angular velocity of the usual clock.

There are also clocks (probably only watches, actually) that have a
little window showing a sun or moon symbol. This helps one distinguish
between AM and PM, since the time from 6 AM to 6 PM shows a sun and the
next 12 hours shows a moon.

The last sounds like 6 o'clock might be ambiguous, but since the
indicators on the ones I've seen rotate slowly, at 6 AM the moon is to
the right (setting) and the sun to the left (rising), and so on.

Obviously the above doesn't in any meaningful way contradict what you
said.

[1] At least there used to be...

And in the military they also have (had?) clocks with 24-hour dials as
well, specifically to overcome the limitations and issues of the
standard analog clock face. I wasn't aware they were seen outside of
that venue but it makes sense.

As you said, it doesn't contradict what I was saying, if anything it
underlines the constraints of the standard analog clock face.

And then there is the other extreme, where there are twelve hours
to the day, or night, with first hour being at dawn, third at mid
morning, the sixth is at noon, the ninth in mid afternoon, and the
eleventh hour beginning just before sunset. Then you have similar
hours for the night.
Doing that with an analog clock is "possible" - but not with a
Mechanical clock. All I need is the local latitude (and longitude),
and the times of sunset and sunrise (GMT) and the rest is "simple".
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"Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and
lock phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter
room three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge."

On 11/13/2013 6:27 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
And in the military they also have (had?) clocks with 24-hour dials as
well, specifically to overcome the limitations and issues of the
standard analog clock face. I wasn't aware they were seen outside of
that venue but it makes sense.

Here is one if you are looking for one.

http://www.ccrane.com/science/atomic...our-clock.aspx

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center