Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.
C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:
a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3
b. It says something about "css" notifications as shown below.

Using @import CSS directive, put the following line in add to your css
file.(http | https)@import
url(//db.onlinewebfonts.com/c/458cf7aea231a973eb1beacfc13bb8b3?family=Roadgeek+2 005+Series+B);

c. I have no idea what that means in terms of the editable PowerPoint 2007.

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and,
Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007?

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Note that PDF is not in the picture, nor are screenshots, as the need is to
edit this Powerpoint 2007 file forever over time as needed by various
individuals.

In article , Chaya Eve
wrote:

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)

rtfm

2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

consult with a licensed attorney in your area.

Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007:
A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good.
B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled.

then you ****ed up.

C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to
load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable
Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows).
http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html

Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct:

that's a first.

a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3

no it doesn't.

there's a contact link at that site. ask them what is required.

Chaya Eve wrote in
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Can you help with technical and legal background information on how
to use a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and
printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions.
Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit,
and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in
PPT 2007?

I have no idea about how to embed a font in a PowerPoint presentation
since it is about ten years since I worked with it.

As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to
produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am
creating this for? I am assuming you downloaded this font for free. If
so, there is an implied consent to use it in any of your work product, as
long as there is no income to you or because of your work using that
font. So, if you want to use this particular font in a commercial
product, you are required to contact the copyright holder and receive
permission to do so. They may grant it gratis, or they may ask for a fee
of some sort. That is up to them.

As for the details, the creator of the intellectual property, in this
case a font, is defacto the copyright holder of that property, which
means they hold all rights to its use, and can expect fair compensation
for its use in a commercial product. Most of the time in a situation like
this the owner will include reference something like the Creative Commons
copyright statement, which explicitly states allowable uses and
conditions for use. Granted, some creators don't understant the whole IP
issue, and others don't care, they just want to show off their work, and
their compensation is the fact that someone else is using it.

This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are
distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they
have granted it as part of the download process. It may seem like
splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear
that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make
your work product work properly. To further confuse the issue, since you
are doing this as part of your compensated employment, it could
conceivably be argued that you are receiveing compensation for the use of
this font, and should be obtaining the permission of the copyright holder
for its use, even if you don't distribute it to anyone else. That is
pushing the envelope, but I think it is a valid point.

All of the above is my admittedly non-professional understanding of
Intellectual Property rights as applied to this situation. I am sure I am
wrong somewhere inside of these statements, and that others here will
correct me, hopefully in a kindly fashion.

As always, this advice is worth what you paid for it, and for a
completely accurate answer to your second question you should contact an
expert in Intellectual Property law and the rights therein.

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:59:14 GMT, Tim wrote:

As far as the legality is concerned, the real issue is 'Is this going to
produce income for me/for the entity I work for/for the customer I am
creating this for?

No income whatsoever. It's just a set of custom private property signs
befitting of California Penal Code 602L (e.g., 2-inch letters, greater than
one square foot in area, etc.).

I am assuming you downloaded this font for free.
Yup.


This comes to the real issue with imbedding the font. By doing so you are
distributing the IP of the creator without their permission, unless they
have granted it as part of the download process.

Interesting observation where I can add a text to the last page of the
PowerPoint documentation, but it's not going to show up on the sign itself.

It may seem like
splitting hairs, but if instead of imbedding the font, you make it clear
that the recipient needs to download the font themselves in order to make
your work product work properly.

I understand what you're saying. It's too much work for others but if those
are the rules, then those are the rules.

At the moment, I just want to embed the font into PowerPoint and then let
others do what they want with the document since we have a printer who will
print them for us for free at the local high school.

Since the school is involved, I just want the legality to be covered even
as there is no cost and this is part of the projects for the kids.

Thanks for your observations!

In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)


I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.

Andre

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On 2017-09-08 19:21:06 +0000, Andre G. Isaak said:
In article ,
Chaya Eve wrote:

Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use
a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers?

Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience:
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

I can't answer the first. The second depends entirely on the end-user
license agreement of the font in question. Some allow embedding; others
do not.

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\

Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

"Chaya Eve" wrote

| The license says:
| "This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
| notifications remain intact."
|
| The copyright says:
| "Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."
|
| So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?
|
I would interpret that to mean that you need to
include a copy of the license when you distribute the
font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded
from font sites.
I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT. But if
you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could
distribute the font and license along with the PPT, and
include an attribution, like:

Thank you to Michael D. Adams for use of the XYZ
font. This file is included to accomodate his licensing
terms.
XYF font is Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005.
All rights reserved.

If you do that then you can also solve the embedding
problem. The down side would be that your recipients
would need to install the font.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:54:27 -0400, Mayayana
wrote:

I would interpret that to mean that you need to
include a copy of the license when you distribute the
font. I have a number like that, which I've downloaded
from font sites.

I interpret that the same, so it's easily enough done to add a page to the
multi-page PowerPoint presentation stating what Savageduck kindly also
suggested:
"Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005."

I wouldn't worry about crediting inside the PPT.

That's exactly the question!

I can't see any other way to credit the copyright other than the way that
Savageduck suggested, which is to add a page at the end crediting the
copyright owner.

But if
you want to be respectful and play it safe, you could
distribute the font and license along with the PPT.

As explained in the OP, the intent is to "embed" the font into the
PowerPoint.

This is easy to do on Windows but there's a question of how to do it on the
Mac given this reference:
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is:
"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."

Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help?

If you do that then you can also solve the embedding
problem. The down side would be that your recipients
would need to install the font.

As explained in the OP, the goal is to embed the font so that both the Mac
and Windows users can modify the signs before being printed at the school.

It is easy to embed the font into Windows PowerPoint.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

What is needed is a Mac expert who can test embedding the font into his
PowerPoint version to show us how embedding fonts works on the Mac.
http://fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

On Sep 8, 2017, Chaya Eve wrote
(in article ):

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your wrote:

In terms of just embedding fonts, you can sometimes get around that by
changing the text using those fonts to outlines (e.g. in Adobe
Illustrator or InDesign) or creating a bitmap image of the text (e.g.
in Adobe Photoshop or any graphics appliction). InDesign specifically
warns you that you can't embed some fonts when trying to create a PDF
using them.

If necessary, outlines should work because we are only going to print to
plastic cutouts to lay on the 12"x18" steel sign surface.

BUT it may still be against the font's license agreement to do even
that. As always, you have to carefully read all the smallprint, but the
problem is that it's often buried in so much legalese that it's
near-impossible for any normal person to understand it. :-\

Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs, the
"small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons “BY� license which only demands
attribution.

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
“http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; “License:
unknown� and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons “BY� 3.0 license.

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.�


I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

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Regards,
Savageduck

On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:39:50 -0700, Savageduck
wrote:

Digging through that site I find the following related to use of this font in
web sites:
First the licence is a Creative Commons ´BY¡ license which only demands
attribution.

Thank you for finding that information that attribution is all that's
needed to answer the second of the two original questions.

1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?)

The manner of attribution for a web site is to include the following:
´http://www.onlinewebfonts.com font by Michael D. Adams is licensed by
CC BY 3.0"

I agree that a simple attribution page is in the spirit of the Creative
Commons license agreement, since distribution isn't by web, but by
PowerPoint embedding.

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

That sounds pretty specific. However, this download site states; ´License:
unknown¡ and is less specific than the onlinewebfonts.com license.
http://www.fontpalace.com/font-details/Roadgeek+2005+Series+B/

So that site fails to meet the minimum CC BY 3.0 license requirement.

I think this particular free font is so widely distributed on web sites
that the adherence to license agreements by those web sites is variable.


The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

That seems to be the simplest statement of attribution, and the only
requirement of the Collective Commons ´BY¡ 3.0 license.

Thank you for finding and understanding the "collective commons" agreement,
which is new to me so I appreciate your advice.


So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

To cover all bases to be within the spirit of the CC license, I would add a
CYA page to your Power Point presentation which states the following, or
words to that effect:
Roadgeek 2005 Series B Copyright © Michael D. Adams, 2005. All Rights
Reserved. License CC by.¡

Thank you.

That seems like a good answer to the second question of the two asked!
1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?

Are there Mac experts on this ng who know the answer to the first question?

On 2017-09-09 01:18:55 +0000, Chaya Eve said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name wrote:
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I don't know, but creating a bitmap image of the text may be the only
way to "embed" the font into a PowerPoint presentation. It was
certainly the only way to add text using fancy fonts to webpages before
"web fonts" came along.

I understand that you're saying to use a bitmat block image (picture) of
the text in PowerPoint that is distributed.

But how is that done?
Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as
Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import
that into PowerPoint.

OR,
you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains
editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take
screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped
screenshot.

On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:03:04 +1200, Your Name wrote:

Is there a button to convert fonts to bitmap in PowerPoint?

Nope. No button. You'd need to use a graphics application such as
Photoshop, GraphicConverter, etc. to create the image, and then import
that into PowerPoint.

Thanks. I was afraid of that answer.

The goal is only these two questions to be answered:
1. Technical (how do I embed the Roadgeek TT font in PowerPoint?)
2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?

We have the second question answered already for Mac & Windows users.
And we have the first question answered already for Windows users.

Mac experts are needed now to answer the first question for the Mac.

OR,
you could type the text into PowerPoint as normal, so that it remains
editable. Then when the slides no longer need changing, take
screenshots and then delete the text and replace with the cropped
screenshot.

The requirement is for editing by both Mac and Windows PPT users.

The only still-open question of the two posed in the OP is how to embed the
Roadgeek 2005 True-Type font into a Mac PowerPoint application given this
is the warning that I found when I searched how Mac users embed fonts.

"Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been
embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint."
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

Does anyone on this ng have a Mac to test if fonts can be embedded in PPT?

Chaya Eve wrote in
news
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:32:45 +1200, Your Name
wrote:

Since "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" is a common free font for road signs,
the "small print" is almost non existent. The font is freely available
everywhere, where a simple search turns it up in scores of web sites.

But nowhere is the license agreement in the least complex.
https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/search?q=roadgeek

The license says:
"This font may be freely distributed and used provided copyright
notifications remain intact."

The copyright says:
"Copyright (c) Michael D. Adams, 2005. All rights reserved."

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

Best suggestion would be to create a separate slide placed either at the
beginning or at the end of the presentation just to display that
information. If you are extremely proud of your work, you could add your
own name (or the team if this was a joint project) as 'Presentation Created
by'. After all, it is your intellectual property.

On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 04:07:27 GMT, Tim wrote:

So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007?

Best suggestion would be to create a separate slide placed either at the
beginning or at the end of the presentation just to display that
information. If you are extremely proud of your work, you could add your
own name (or the team if this was a joint project) as 'Presentation Created
by'. After all, it is your intellectual property.

Since this is a community project which involves the school, we just need
to faithfully answer the two questions:
Q1: Embedding a specific font into both Mac & Windows PowerPoint 2007.
Q2: Complying with the legal Creative Commons copyright agreement.

Here is a sample of the two types of blanks we may end up using:
http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/09/signs.jpg

We have the second question completely answered now, which is that we'll do
as you and Savageduck and Mayayana suggested, which is add a final page
stating the Creative Commons copyright attribute suggested by Savageduck.

The only question left is the Mac PowerPoint embedding procedure.

If there are any Mac experts on this ng, they should be able to see if the
font embedding instructions from Microsoft work also for the Mac.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Microsoft doesn't say anything about compatibility between Windows and Mac
but this site implies that there is no compatibilty with font embedding.
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm

Mac experts are asked if they can embed TT fonts in PowerPoint, and how?