Dell 780 Problem:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:45:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
Microsoft really shouldn't hide the extensions
by default.

Paul

And we've been saying this since at least '9x.

Has there been any indication of them changing this default - maybe in
Windows 10.xxx? (I know they've said 10 is the "last" Windows; in
practice, therefore, future versions will be 10.9.9.9....)

The original _reason_ for hiding extensions (even having the _option_ to
do so) - presumably to avoid confusing the poor dumb users - was mostly
superseded when malware started to use double extensions, and isn't
really valid since they introduced the change in (I think) 7 whereby
"rename" defaults to no longer highlighting the extension.


I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere. But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:11:47 -0600, wrote:

I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere.

Windows uses SVI, so if you use Windows you're probably (indirectly)
using SVI.

But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....

By default, the SVI folders are not visible, so you've chosen to see
them.

--

Char Jackson

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:

It's multiple dots. A file has one and only one extension.
"file.txt.exe" is NOT a text file. Windows knows that even if it lies
to you in a directory window or open dialog.

You know that, and I know that, but you know what I meant (-:

That would be classed as a "land mine".

There are ways to encode with "." but that's not a good example.

Here are some examples.

1) "Isolation" (you read these from right-to-left)

dangerous_virus.exe == dangerous_virus.exe.txt

That's the practice of "de-elevation", preventing
a dangerous thing from being triggered by accident
by double-clicking. Due to the logic the OS uses, it
will open in a text editor.

nifty_shellex.reg == nifty_shellex.reg.txt

While a registry file (which is a text file) shouldn't
merge into the Registry all on its own, I'm using the
text extension there, so there is absolutely no
possibility of that happening.

2) "Encoding" (you read these from left to right to understand them)

something.tar.gz.7z

This hints that some item has been processed several times.
Reading from left to right, first "Tape Archive" was used,
then "GZIP Compressor", then "7ZIP Compressor".

The Tape Archive step implies a folder, if the Tape
Archive step is being used for a valid reason. We
can guess then, that "something" just might be a folder.
So it's an encoded folder that's been through three steps
of processing.

The "file.txt.exe" example is "elevation", something you
don't generally do on purpose.

Say for example, you just wrote your own reg file and
stored it (for some strange reason) as a text file.

TakeOwn.txt

and then wanted it to be recognized as a registry file
to be merged

TakeOwn.txt.reg

Well, it would be just as sensible to remove all doubt
and make it

TakeOwn.reg

leaving no doubt as to its purpose. The "TakeOwn.txt.reg"
is attempting elevation, a bad practice, and not something
your built-in parser will appreciate later.

3) And while you can use dots for delineation, this
isn't really a good formulation. You don't want to
force people to parse this for danger.

AdobeFlash.23.0.0.171.exe

Now, that one isn't bad, since numeric fields won't
get confused as file types. Whereas this is just terrible.

Ive.been.working.on.the.railroad.xls

You can make ones like this a little clearer by
using some other punctuation scheme.

Ive_been_working_on_the_railroad.xls

Ive-been-working-on-the-railroad.xls

And when picking characters, be careful not to
select punctuation which is not "cross-platform".
Even though you think today, your file is never
leaving the PC, ten minutes from now you're
uploading it onto your Android and "someting bwoke"
because of your poor hygiene practices when
selecting punctuation characters.

*******

As for the land mine in the example

"file.txt.exe"

the system loader will attempt to look for signature
symbols of various sorts in the file, and seeing that
they don't exist, it'll throw an appropriate error
if you double-click on that. But there are other cases
where you were attempting elevation via extension,
where the outcome might not be all that you expected.

I can't think of too many cases, where I've added ".exe"
to the end of something for "fun" :-)

And leaving file extensions viewable, makes parsing
monstrosities like these, easier.

Paul

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:23 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:11:47 -0600, wrote:

I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere.

Windows uses SVI, so if you use Windows you're probably (indirectly)
using SVI.

But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....

By default, the SVI folders are not visible, so you've chosen to see
them.

I know I can disable ALL system files, but I do want to see most of them
when I am inside the Windows folder. But I dont want to see these SVI
files almost everywhere. If you know of a way to hide them, please tell
me how.

The SVI folders are all empty. Thats because I disabled SVI. But if I
right click on a SVI and choose properties, they are empty.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:05:01 -0800, "David E. Ross"
wrote:

On 11/26/2017 9:39 AM, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:02:23 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:

Has anyone been able to change that default in Windows 7 so that Rename
includes the extension when hightlighting the file name? More often
than not, that is what I want because I often want to copy the complete
file name for use in text, in a search, or other such purpose without
actually changing the name.


To copy the complete file name, include the "press Ctrl+A" below.

Right-click Rename press Ctrl+A press Ctrl+C

No. While in Rename, Ctrl-A has no effect.

Strange. For me, it works as expected in 7, 8.1, and 10.

--

Char Jackson

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:34:26 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:23 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:11:47 -0600, wrote:

I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere.

Windows uses SVI, so if you use Windows you're probably (indirectly)
using SVI.

But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....

By default, the SVI folders are not visible, so you've chosen to see
them.

I know I can disable ALL system files, but I do want to see most of them
when I am inside the Windows folder. But I dont want to see these SVI
files almost everywhere. If you know of a way to hide them, please tell
me how.

The SVI folders are all empty.

How are you verifying that? Windows Explorer isn't going to help, but
you can use a few other methods. I use Treesize Free to explore in
there, but Linux should also work. Be careful, though, some folks report
that their PC will no longer boot after mucking around in there.

Anyway, even if you disable System Restore, I've never seen an empty SVI
Folder. There's always at least a couple of things in there.

Thats because I disabled SVI.

I'm not sure what that means. What steps did you take?

But if I
right click on a SVI and choose properties, they are empty.

Right, Windows Explorer is trained to hide the SVI contents.

--

Char Jackson

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:10:10 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:34:26 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:24:23 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:11:47 -0600, wrote:

I always thought that hiding extensions was stupid too. But I do wish MS
would allow hiding by filename. Those goddamn "System Volume
Information" files annoy the f**k out of me and appear on every
partition, every flash drive, and where ever else MS can shove them. I
DO NOT use that drive wasting crap anyhow, and have it disabled
everywhere.

Windows uses SVI, so if you use Windows you're probably (indirectly)
using SVI.

But I still got to see that clutter on everything.....
Since it's disabled, I'd think they would either not create them, or at
least give us a way to hide them. Hiding the Recycle Bin would be useful
too. Again, I dont use it. When I delete something, I want it GONE....

By default, the SVI folders are not visible, so you've chosen to see
them.

I know I can disable ALL system files, but I do want to see most of them
when I am inside the Windows folder. But I dont want to see these SVI
files almost everywhere. If you know of a way to hide them, please tell
me how.

The SVI folders are all empty.

How are you verifying that? Windows Explorer isn't going to help, but
you can use a few other methods. I use Treesize Free to explore in
there, but Linux should also work. Be careful, though, some folks report
that their PC will no longer boot after mucking around in there.

Anyway, even if you disable System Restore, I've never seen an empty SVI
Folder. There's always at least a couple of things in there.

Thats because I disabled SVI.

I'm not sure what that means. What steps did you take?

But if I
right click on a SVI and choose properties, they are empty.

Right, Windows Explorer is trained to hide the SVI contents.

Maybe there is somethimg inside of them. My win98 comp will delete them
from flash drives. I can do a USB boot to linux on one of my XP machines
(not on my laptop though, since that dont support booting from USB). I
can and have removed all the SVI files from a linux boot, but they just
come right back when I boot to XP again.

I dont remember how I disabled SVI. I do all that tweaking one thing at
a time and the next time I do a new install of XP I cant remember how I
did stuff. Not long ago, I started a text file with notes to do stuff
like that. I may cut some text from this newsgroup, or some website, or
just type in what to do, to fix some XP annoyance. I should have started
doing that years ago, but I didn't. All I know there is a way inside the
controls to shut off SVI. Or maybe I used Tweak-UI.... or some other
tweaking software for XP....

What I do know,s is that a new install of XP needs a lot of tweaking and
modifying to get rid of the annoyances and to make it run the way I
like. XP loves to collect garbage, like SVI crap, info about what I
click on, not to mention all the crap in the Recycle bin and browser
cache. Tweak-UI helps, but dont do it all. In Win98, I made a batchfile
to clear away all the garbage in one step, but thats not so easy in XP..
I suppose it gets worse in every newer version of Windows. It's no
wonder that some people reinstall their OS yearly. For every gb of
useful data, Microsoft adds 5gb of crap, that most people dont know how
to remove.

I re-read your instructions but didn't get the first time
so moved the CD-ROM drive in the boot sequence and the
memtest is now running! In passing, you move the boot
sequence by up/down arrows and the different selections
can be ticked/un-ticked.

I need to re-read your instructions for doing this,..
but if I remember its about a 2 hr test to complete 1
pass/cycle but will run forever unless I stop it.

When complete, remove the DIMM and do the other one. correct?

Interesting the red herring the post started 'filename
file extensions, hiding extensions' *L*


Thanks,
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I re-read your instructions but didn't get the first time
so moved the CD-ROM drive in the boot sequence and the
memtest is now running! In passing, you move the boot
sequence by up/down arrows and the different selections
can be ticked/un-ticked.

I need to re-read your instructions for doing this,..
but if I remember its about a 2 hr test to complete 1
pass/cycle but will run forever unless I stop it.

When complete, remove the DIMM and do the other one. correct?

Interesting the red herring the post started 'filename
file extensions, hiding extensions' *L*


Thanks,
Robert

You can test one DIMM, then the other DIMM,
then the pair of DIMMs (in dual channel mode
with matched slot colors).

The purpose of testing one DIMM at a time, is
to unambiguously identify a bad DIMM.

The purpose of testing multiple DIMMs, is to
account for any effects caused by "bus loading".

The test time, is a function of total memory capacity,
so the test time scales appropriately whether
testing with one or more of them.

*******

My last set of four DIMMs, would fail the test
when all four were plugged in, but each DIMM
would pass individually.

Meaning I had to toss the whole works out, to be sure.

I couldn't really tell which DIMM was doing it.

When the new set of four DIMMs showed up,
everything was back to normal, whether testing
one or four of them. That's the first time I haven't
been able to fault isolate. On a previous adventure,
turning up the Northbridge Vnb voltage, fixed
the memory errors. And that fix lasted for at
least a year.

Paul

Finished 1 pass, no errors .. so will now
test the other DIMM then both as per your
instructions.

Oh btw,. I don't have a anti-static strap

Robert

After testing the DIMMS on the 780
should I also test the 8500?

Just a thought,
Robert

Now testing both DIMMS; it detected the
increase in RAM and I just clicked F1 to
continue and the test started immediately
afterwards.

It shows both DIMMS on the test in
Slot 0 and Slot 1

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
After testing the DIMMS on the 780
should I also test the 8500?

Just a thought,
Robert

I recommend testing RAM, about once a year.

This is based on me seeing a fair number of
bad DIMMs after 1.5 to 2 years or so of usage.

So yes, if you've never tested the 8500 before,
it's worth a test. You can test both machines
at once, if it's bed time and the test can
run overnight. It's going to take a while to
complete one pass on the 8500.

Paul

I completed all the DIMMS tests for
the 780, both separately and then
together,.. I'll now test the 8500.


Robert

I'm running the memtest on the 8500
but have a question. I have 4 sticks
but 12GB, How does that work?

Here's what it says:

Slot 0 : 2048 MB DDR3 - 1600 - Samsung M378B5773DH0-CK0
Slot 1 : 4046 MB DDR3 - 1600 - Hynix HMT351uU6CFR8C - PB
Slot 2 : 2048 MB DDR3 - 1600 - Samsung M378B5773DH0-CK0
Slot 1 : 4046 MB DDR3 - 1600 - Hynix HMT351uU6CFR8C - PB

I found that the Samsung's were 2GB
but I couldn't find anything on Hynix's.

Robert

Robert