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  #46  
Old June 14th 18, 08:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 14 Jun 2018, =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsQ==?=
wrote in alt.windows7.general:

Sideline note.
The author, L. Cranor, of the 2016 article was the FTC Chief
Technology Officer until Jan. 2017.
That position is still vacant and hasn't been formally filled for
18 months(the last CTO prior to Cranor was only an attorney
temporarily appointed as 'acting' CTO)


"Technology"!?!?! Bah. That's awfully close to "Science" and "Facts".
Nobody wants those things any more. If it's not simple, catchy, with no
boring details or nuance, and can fit in a tweet, they're not
interested.
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Old June 14th 18, 09:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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wryutirjgkhmmfioertuyie wrote:
On 6/13/2018 12:36 PM, Chris wrote:

The two products I mentioned (Keepass and enpass) don't use an
online server, so are immune to that type of hack...


The best password managers are ones with encrypted database files
that are stored locally.


But apparently they are not immune to local corruption either:

"KeePass has quite some features to avoid database file corruption"...

..."However, data corruption can still be caused by other programs, the
system or broken storage devices"...

..."KeePass of course can't do anything when the data becomes
corrupted/unreadable at a later point of time"

https://keepass.info/help/base/repair.html


That's why you have back-ups, as others have said. I used Keepass for about
two years using it every day on two computers, one tablet and a phone.
Syncing was reliable and I had no errors in that time.

Since then, I've used enpass for about two years with the same experience.

Dunno. That sounds a bit scary to me. I can't imagine the problems I'd
have if I lost all my passwords in one crash and couldn't log in
anymore. Also I'd be nervous about putting all my passwords in some
strange software's hands. Who knows for sure what it really does
(paranoia on). YMMV.


Keepass is fully open source and has been verified. Enpass is based on the
open source protects walletx and sqlcypher. I'm not sure if it's been
externally verified.

I just use a simple formula that includes certain place number
characters of the web site intermingled with employee numbers from past
employment. I keep the formula in my head so don't have to write the
full passwords down. It's certainly not 30 character strong but with
two-factor authentication (on the sensitive sites) it's reasonably
secure. YMMV.


I tried that for a while, but some websites weren't compatible with my
algorithm: either too long or unsupported characters (like numbers, duh!).
So I was having to remember multiple algorithms which got tedious or I used
weaker passwords.

With a password manager I needn't worry and I can free up some of my brain
cells



  #48  
Old June 14th 18, 09:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
nospam on Wed, 13 Jun 2018 22:00:57 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Now all I need is a record of all the various passwords, with a
strong password needed to access it.

that's called a password manager.

One more program to download, install, setup and configure.


hardly an obstacle. maybe a minute, if that long.


"The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain
in the streets."

I think I'll stick with a paper notebook.


not as safe, plus you're far less likely to use long cryptic passwords
because they're hard to type.


But then again, I don't have to worry about the notebook being
"hacked".


You do have worry about not having it with you when you need it, though.

  #49  
Old June 14th 18, 02:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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if you unknowingly made a backup of the corrupted file?


Then you go to your next oldest backup


Getting complicated. Now you have to keep a folder somewhere with
several old backup files? Not necessary with my password system which
relies only on my wetware, and not some third party's software.


a good backup system does that automatically.

(which is still quite recent),


It might not be that recent. For non-sensitive sites (like iHeart Radio)
I often let the browser remember the password. So I might not need that
password again for several weeks when needed for a new device or
browser. But with my password formula I just pull it out of my head. No
backups needed. Easy peasy.


you might not need *that* password, but the rest of the database will
be accessed on a daily basis, so you will instantly know if it's
corrupted, which is extremely unlikely.
  #50  
Old June 14th 18, 04:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 06/13/2018 03:39 PM, wryutirjgkhmmfioertuyie wrote:
On 6/13/2018 11:19 AM, T wrote:

Any a** h*** who breaks into my or my neighbors better be able to run
a lot faster than 800 feet per second.


Problem is burglars check to see if you're home before breaking in. Thus
there's usually nobody there to shoot at when you get home and find your
stuff missing.


True. It also helps to have nosey neighbors. The bad guys
stay away.
  #51  
Old June 14th 18, 05:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 06/13/2018 01:17 PM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:21:42 -0700, T wrote:

On 06/13/2018 06:32 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
Keep in mind though that picking an easy password is even worse.
The best ones are run on phrases. Mine are up to 30 characters.


Run-on sentences are an excellent idea, I'll have to try that.


Throw some spaces in too.

"All Hail Todd!" is already taken. What??? No I don't use that
password and I am not stupid enough to write it in the Internet.


If they're allowed, that's a pretty good idea too.


mail.zoho.com does not. gMail does.
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Old June 14th 18, 05:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 6/14/2018 12:35 AM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Jun 2018, wryutirjgkhmmfioertuyie wrote in


OK, your system works for you. I find Keepass quite useful.


Translation: YMMV. Strongly agreed.

It lets me use very random passwords that I could never remember,


My formula password system generates 13 character passwords. They're
certainly not Keepass quality passwords but IMO I don't need that level
of security. Also 2FA greatly adds to that security.

and it will also store any password, not just for web sites.


My system works with any name, not just web sites. But I usually use the
web site name to generate the password. Most sites use the same password
whether accessed by browser or app.

And I find it to be no inconvenience in the least to make backups of
it and my other data.


Inconvenience wasn't my problem. Temporary loss of my online life due to
a malfunction of a strange piece of software that I have no way of
fixing. Or for that matter knowing what its stealth capabilities in
regards to my sensitive password/site data might be.

But in reality I'm probably in more danger from the companies on the
other end of the passwords. I now have three letters on file telling me
of breaches that exposed my data...
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Old June 14th 18, 05:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 6/14/2018 1:55 AM, Chris wrote:
wryutirjgkhmmfioertuyie wrote:


I used Keepass for about two years using it every day on two
computers, one tablet and a phone. Syncing was reliable and I had no
errors in that time.


Does Keepass do updates? Do you think one might be as effective as a W10
update... 8-O

Since then I've used enpass for about two years with the same
experience.


I've used my formula system for 30+ years. Long before Keepass/Enpass
was a gleam in the developers eye. And I have had lots of errors over
the years due to my somewhat faulty wetware. But then I can just rethink
and retype to fix them.

I tried that [formula passwords] for a while, but some websites
weren't compatible with my algorithm:


Me too. Just had to rethink my formula. Good for the wetware. Use it or
lose it...

With a password manager I needn't worry and I can free up some of my
brain cells


YMMV. Strongly agree...

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Old June 14th 18, 06:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 06/14/2018 12:47 AM, Nil wrote:
"Technology"!?!?! Bah. That's awfully close to "Science" and "Facts".
Nobody wants those things any more. If it's not simple, catchy, with no
boring details or nuance, and can fit in a tweet, they're not
interested.


I have noticed this. If I eMail certain customer explanations
of thing they solicit from me, they won't read it if it goes
over two sentences.

This is REALLY AGGRAVATING when they ask for proposals. They
just discard them after you put hours into them. I have
thought of charging for my time. "I couldn't read it on
my phone". "And you could use your computer, why?"
AGGRAVATING!


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Old June 14th 18, 06:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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wryutirjgkhmmfioertuyie wrote:
On 6/14/2018 1:55 AM, Chris wrote:
wryutirjgkhmmfioertuyie wrote:


I used Keepass for about two years using it every day on two
computers, one tablet and a phone. Syncing was reliable and I had no
errors in that time.


Does Keepass do updates?


Sure. Not that often as it's a pretty simple app.

Do you think one might be as effective as a W10
update... 8-O


Unlikely. Microsoft's effectiveness is legendary!

Since then I've used enpass for about two years with the same
experience.


I've used my formula system for 30+ years. Long before Keepass/Enpass
was a gleam in the developers eye. And I have had lots of errors over
the years due to my somewhat faulty wetware. But then I can just rethink
and retype to fix them.

I tried that [formula passwords] for a while, but some websites
weren't compatible with my algorithm:


Me too. Just had to rethink my formula. Good for the wetware. Use it or
lose it...


Doing that limits you to the lowest common denominator. Resulted in making
passwords too short. Plus, then you need to reset the password for the
tens/hundreds of sites with the old system. Life's too short.

With a password manager I needn't worry and I can free up some of my
brain cells


YMMV. Strongly agree...


Indeed.



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Old June 14th 18, 07:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 14 Jun 2018, T wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have noticed this. If I eMail certain customer explanations
of thing they solicit from me, they won't read it if it goes
over two sentences.

This is REALLY AGGRAVATING when they ask for proposals. They
just discard them after you put hours into them. I have
thought of charging for my time. "I couldn't read it on
my phone". "And you could use your computer, why?"
AGGRAVATING!


I believe this phenomenon has its own acronym: TLDR. People no longer
have the patience or attention span to read or absorb detailed
information. Everything has to be fed to them in small, pre-digested
bites.

This has become a problem in general. If I write anything more than a
paragraph of text, many (most?) people won't bother to scroll down and
read the rest. If I ask, say, 3 questions, I'll get an answer to the
first one and they probably never even see the last two.

My family has become like this. They won't completely read my emails,
and they rarely answer the phone. They respond to text messaging only,
which is totally inadequate for real communication.
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Old June 14th 18, 08:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 06/14/2018 11:57 AM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Jun 2018, T wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have noticed this. If I eMail certain customer explanations
of thing they solicit from me, they won't read it if it goes
over two sentences.

This is REALLY AGGRAVATING when they ask for proposals. They
just discard them after you put hours into them. I have
thought of charging for my time. "I couldn't read it on
my phone". "And you could use your computer, why?"
AGGRAVATING!


I believe this phenomenon has its own acronym: TLDR. People no longer
have the patience or attention span to read or absorb detailed
information. Everything has to be fed to them in small, pre-digested
bites.

This has become a problem in general. If I write anything more than a
paragraph of text, many (most?) people won't bother to scroll down and
read the rest. If I ask, say, 3 questions, I'll get an answer to the
first one and they probably never even see the last two.

My family has become like this. They won't completely read my emails,
and they rarely answer the phone. They respond to text messaging only,
which is totally inadequate for real communication.


My experience too.

That first question thing drives me INSANE! My vendors do
this to me ALL-THE-TIME.

Sometimes there is the occasional "word wall", which is frustrating
to grudge through, but that is rare these days.


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Old June 14th 18, 08:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In alt.windows7.general T wrote:
On 06/14/2018 11:57 AM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Jun 2018, T wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have noticed this. If I eMail certain customer explanations
of thing they solicit from me, they won't read it if it goes
over two sentences.

This is REALLY AGGRAVATING when they ask for proposals. They
just discard them after you put hours into them. I have
thought of charging for my time. "I couldn't read it on
my phone". "And you could use your computer, why?"
AGGRAVATING!


I believe this phenomenon has its own acronym: TLDR. People no longer
have the patience or attention span to read or absorb detailed
information. Everything has to be fed to them in small, pre-digested
bites.

This has become a problem in general. If I write anything more than a
paragraph of text, many (most?) people won't bother to scroll down and
read the rest. If I ask, say, 3 questions, I'll get an answer to the
first one and they probably never even see the last two.

My family has become like this. They won't completely read my emails,
and they rarely answer the phone. They respond to text messaging only,
which is totally inadequate for real communication.


My experience too.


That first question thing drives me INSANE! My vendors do
this to me ALL-THE-TIME.


Sometimes there is the occasional "word wall", which is frustrating
to grudge through, but that is rare these days.


Ditto. They always think it is too long to read. [sighs]
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Old June 14th 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Ant
writes:
In alt.windows7.general T wrote:
On 06/14/2018 11:57 AM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Jun 2018, T wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have noticed this. If I eMail certain customer explanations
of thing they solicit from me, they won't read it if it goes
over two sentences.

This is REALLY AGGRAVATING when they ask for proposals. They
just discard them after you put hours into them. I have
thought of charging for my time. "I couldn't read it on
my phone". "And you could use your computer, why?"
AGGRAVATING!

I believe this phenomenon has its own acronym: TLDR. People no longer
have the patience or attention span to read or absorb detailed
information. Everything has to be fed to them in small, pre-digested
bites.

This has become a problem in general. If I write anything more than a
paragraph of text, many (most?) people won't bother to scroll down and


I used to find this at work, too.

read the rest. If I ask, say, 3 questions, I'll get an answer to the
first one and they probably never even see the last two.

My family has become like this. They won't completely read my emails,
and they rarely answer the phone. They respond to text messaging only,
which is totally inadequate for real communication.


My experience too.


That first question thing drives me INSANE! My vendors do
this to me ALL-THE-TIME.


This _sometimes_ works: say at the beginning of the communication,
something like "This communication contains five questions. I have
numbered them [thus]." It requires you to go back through your email
before sending, actually putting in [1] etc., and then going back again
to say what the total is. It often still doesn't work, but at least then
they have no _excuse_ for not having read it.

Sometimes there is the occasional "word wall", which is frustrating
to grudge through, but that is rare these days.


Ditto. They always think it is too long to read. [sighs]


But it takes them longer in the end, because they come back and ask for
something that was explained in the first communication. They also
suggest things ... they don't read "I have already tried" statements.
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Old June 14th 18, 10:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 06/14/2018 01:14 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ant
writes:
In alt.windows7.general T wrote:
On 06/14/2018 11:57 AM, Nil wrote:
On 14 Jun 2018, T wrote in alt.windows7.general:

I have noticed this.Â* If I eMail certain customer explanations
of thing they solicit from me, they won't read it if it goes
over two sentences.

This is REALLY AGGRAVATING when they ask for proposals.Â* They
just discard them after you put hours into them.Â* I have
thought of charging for my time.Â* "I couldn't read it on
my phone".Â* "And you could use your computer, why?"
AGGRAVATING!

I believe this phenomenon has its own acronym: TLDR. People no longer
have the patience or attention span to read or absorb detailed
information. Everything has to be fed to them in small, pre-digested
bites.

This has become a problem in general. If I write anything more than a
paragraph of text, many (most?) people won't bother to scroll down and


I used to find this at work, too.

read the rest. If I ask, say, 3 questions, I'll get an answer to the
first one and they probably never even see the last two.

My family has become like this. They won't completely read my emails,
and they rarely answer the phone. They respond to text messaging only,
which is totally inadequate for real communication.


My experience too.


That first question thing drives me INSANE!Â* My vendors do
this to me ALL-THE-TIME.


This _sometimes_ works: say at the beginning of the communication,
something like "This communication contains five questions. I have
numbered them [thus]." It requires you to go back through your email
before sending, actually putting in [1] etc., and then going back again
to say what the total is. It often still doesn't work, but at least then
they have no _excuse_ for not having read it.

Sometimes there is the occasional "word wall", which is frustrating
to grudge through, but that is rare these days.


Ditto. They always think it is too long to read. [sighs]


But it takes them longer in the end, because they come back and ask for
something that was explained in the first communication. They also
suggest things ... they don't read "I have already tried" statements.



I have gotten testy at times. I do the numbering thing like
you. But I add

"Please answer all question. If you choose not to answer
a particular question, please add 'do not choose to answer'
to the question"

it gets their attention.


 




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