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  #31  
Old June 14th 18, 04:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:19:33 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Steve Hayes on Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these
days.


Try Pegasus first,


I am still using Eudora. Might have to switch to Outlook for
"work" related reasons.


Perhaps you could use different readers for "work" and private e-mail?


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  #32  
Old June 14th 18, 03:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these
days.


Try Pegasus first,




Two points:

1. I used to use Pegasus, but I moved to Outlook because I like it
better.

2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As
always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and
choosing what *you* like best.
  #33  
Old June 14th 18, 06:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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Steve Hayes on Thu, 14 Jun 2018 05:36:41 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:19:33 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Steve Hayes on Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these
days.

Try Pegasus first,


I am still using Eudora. Might have to switch to Outlook for
"work" related reasons.


Perhaps you could use different readers for "work" and private e-mail?


Yeah, trying that.

Sometimes, I have to learn a different program than the one I use,
so that I can be Tech Support.
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  #34  
Old June 14th 18, 08:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:10:28 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:


And VanguardLH said "Have you ever been to their web-based forums to
see the typical responses from so-called Microsoft reps? Worthless.
They catch a few keywords, spew some irrelevant crap, like reciting
some general troubleshooting procedure that does NOT address the
issue, and do not return to actually work on the issue. They are
drive-by one-time automatons puking out canned responses. Look at
their replies. You really think someone cogitated those responses on
their own that outline some general procedure that obviously doesn't
address the specific issue?"

I'll also strongly second what VanguardLH said. There's an occasional
exception, but the enormous majority of Microsoft reps in the forums
are useless. To make matters worse, most of them are in India. Not
that I have anything against Indians, but most of these "reps" speak,
read, and write English very poorly. They often misunderstand the
questions, and even if they understand them, answer them in an
unintelligible way.



Good news! See
https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/micros...orums-anymore/

which says "Microsoft is done answering your questions about Windows
7, 8, and 8.1—at least, on its official support forums.

"The company announced in a post that Microsoft employees will no
longer answer forum questions about older operating systems come July
2018. Microsoft Security Essentials, Internet Explorer 10, and Office
2010/2013 will also no longer see official forum support.

"To be clear: users can still post questions, and other users can
answer those questions. The only change is that no one employed by
Microsoft will provide support."


I wish they would do the same with Windows 10 questions.
  #35  
Old June 14th 18, 10:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Ken Blake" wrote

| Good news! See
|
https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/micros...orums-anymore/
|
| which says "Microsoft is done answering your questions about Windows
| 7, 8, and 8.1-at least, on its official support forums.
|

That's what the original post was about. I wonder what
you thought you were discussing.


  #36  
Old June 15th 18, 06:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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Default Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:48:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these
days.


Try Pegasus first,




Two points:

1. I used to use Pegasus, but I moved to Outlook because I like it
better.

2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As
always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and
choosing what *you* like best.


That's what I recommended. I did say "try".

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  #37  
Old June 15th 18, 02:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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Default Microsoft hints at playing hardball to push Win10

"Steve Hayes" wrote

| 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As
| always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and
| choosing what *you* like best.
|
| That's what I recommended. I did say "try".
|

Those are actually my favorite posts. It can
be very helpful to know what other people find
useful. Though it would be more helpful if you
detailed why you like it.

Someone recommended Claws the other day,
describing it as a substitute for OE. As an OE user
who's loathe to go through the hassle of converting
to TBird, with it's various rough edges, I decided
to give that a try.... One of these days.

I think Ken Blake is a person of strong opinions
who means well. So he can't help asserting that
what he thinks is the right way to think, but
then he dutifully adds a disclaimer: "You'd have
to be a nut to order the tofu burger, but, hey, I
respect your right to choose for yourself."


  #38  
Old June 15th 18, 03:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 07:30:19 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:48:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 03:38:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:36:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

As for email - I haven't tried Outlook. May have to, one of these
days.

Try Pegasus first,




Two points:

1. I used to use Pegasus, but I moved to Outlook because I like it
better.

2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As
always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and
choosing what *you* like best.


That's what I recommended. I did say "try".




OK, sorry if I misunderstood.


  #39  
Old June 16th 18, 06:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:14:40 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Steve Hayes" wrote

| 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As
| always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and
| choosing what *you* like best.
|
| That's what I recommended. I did say "try".
|

Those are actually my favorite posts. It can
be very helpful to know what other people find
useful. Though it would be more helpful if you
detailed why you like it.


One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that
it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost
nothing.

One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It
does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail.

It doesn't work too well if you like sending or receiving e-mails with
everything in 18 point Comic Sans with lots of emoticons and screech
makrks, but it works pretty well with plain text and does proper reply
quoting.

I've been using it for a long time, and have quite a lot of mail
archives over the last 20 years. If I switched readers now it would
make it much more of a hassle to refer to earlier messages.


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  #40  
Old June 16th 18, 02:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Steve Hayes" wrote

| One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that
| it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost
| nothing.
|
| One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It
| does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail.
|

I had some time this week and ended up trying both
Pegasus and Claws. I don't think they're for me. Neither
would import from OE. Neither seems to handle
newsgroups. At least not that I could figure out. Neither
seemed to have a clear way to completely disable HTML
email.
I guess I'm still planning to move to TBird.... someday.


  #41  
Old June 16th 18, 03:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Steve Hayes wrote:
[...]

[About Pegasus:]

I've been using it for a long time, and have quite a lot of mail
archives over the last 20 years. If I switched readers now it would
make it much more of a hassle to refer to earlier messages.


I assume that Pegasus either uses mbox format for its mail folders or
can export to mbox format. If so, most decent 'mailers' (MUAs) can use
or import mbox format, so - in that regard - switching shouldn't be a
problem.
  #42  
Old June 16th 18, 03:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
[...]

I guess I'm still planning to move to TBird.... someday.


If you ever do, then I advise to *first* clean up your (OE) folder
structure in such a way, that the tree of mail folders is structured the
exact same way as the corresponding (Windows) files.

Reason: The Thunderbird ImportExportTools Add-on is not aware of OE's
mail folder structure, as it is defined in (IIRC) the folders.dbx file.
So ImportExportTools uses the (Windows) *file* tree to decide what to
put where with which name, instead of the OE *mail folder* tree.

I.e. if you don't pre-clean/pre-check you might/will end up with a
totally messed up TB mail folder tree, both structure-wise and name-wise
(unless 'Singapore A c67' is an airline :-)).

There are quite a lot of other TB quirks for the OE/WM/WLM user to
overcome, but this is the most important one.
  #43  
Old June 16th 18, 06:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 16 Jun 2018, Frank Slootweg wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I assume that Pegasus either uses mbox format for its mail folders
or can export to mbox format. If so, most decent 'mailers' (MUAs)
can use or import mbox format, so - in that regard - switching
shouldn't be a problem.


Pegasus does use mbox format, but the problem is that that format is
poorly defined and mbox files can rarely be moved as is between
applications. Specifically, I wasn't able to use Pegasus folders
directly in Thunderbird. Most messages imported OK but some were
corrupted.

In my experience, the best way to move mail between mail programs is
by using an IMAP server as an intermediary.
  #44  
Old June 16th 18, 06:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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Steve Hayes on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 07:37:05 +0200
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 09:14:40 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Steve Hayes" wrote

| 2. What I prefer or what Steve Hayes prefers should be ignored. As
| always, what I recommend is trying the various alternatives and
| choosing what *you* like best.
|
| That's what I recommended. I did say "try".
|

Those are actually my favorite posts. It can
be very helpful to know what other people find
useful. Though it would be more helpful if you
detailed why you like it.


One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that
it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost
nothing.

One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It
does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail.

It doesn't work too well if you like sending or receiving e-mails with
everything in 18 point Comic Sans with lots of emoticons and screech
makrks, but it works pretty well with plain text and does proper reply
quoting.

I've been using it for a long time, and have quite a lot of mail
archives over the last 20 years. If I switched readers now it would
make it much more of a hassle to refer to earlier messages.


That's the Big Issue: archived messages.
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  #45  
Old June 16th 18, 06:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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"Mayayana" on Sat, 16 Jun 2018 09:14:17
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"Steve Hayes" wrote

| One of the reasons that I recommend that people try Pegasus is that
| it's free, so that if you try it and don't like it you've lost
| nothing.
|
| One of the reasons I like it is that it does everything I need. It
| does one thing and does it well -- that's e-mail.
|

I had some time this week and ended up trying both
Pegasus and Claws. I don't think they're for me. Neither
would import from OE. Neither seems to handle
newsgroups.


I've never been a fan of using one programs for newsgroups & email
(and everything else). Perhaps because I started with Email over
here, rn over there, and the supposed advantages of the new Email All
In One Program weren't visible to me.
OTOH, maybe if I'd shifted twenty years ago, I'd only have one
program to complain about.

As for newsreaders, I'm sticking with Forte Agent, even though it
is broken and no longer handles temporary filters. (There is a fix,
it is a hack, but I'd have to update for the latest version. Which I
might do, someday, when I'm feeling flush.)

Although some days,. I'm included to just ignore all social media
- email, newsgroups, web sites. Turning into a grumpy old man in my
old age.

tschus
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