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Old June 24th 18, 02:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Has the moronic poster "Sam Hill" *always* been a troll on this newsgroup?

Nil wrote:
On 24 Jun 2018, Arlen Holder wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I simply ask you, Nil, to name a *single post* in your *entire
life*, which added on-topic technical value to *any thread*.


I'm only here for the cameraderie.

Wanna go bowling sometime?


Did you want to use any particular part of his anatomy for the game?
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Old June 24th 18, 05:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 03:44:35 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 10:05:47 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Has the moronic poster "Sam Hill" *always* been a troll on this newsgroup?


All mixmin posters are trolls.


Hi Vanguard,

That's an idiotic racist statement from you - which shows that your thought
process is easily shown to be exactly that of a racist mindset.


The obvious claim is that all mixmin posters are members of a particular
race. Or maybe I misunderstood and the claim is that all trolls are
members of a particular race. In either case, which race would that be?

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Old June 24th 18, 05:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen Holder
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On 24 Jun 2018 13:03:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Nope. If you do not like *what* people write, you attack
*immediately*.


Hi Frank Slootweg,

When you respond like an adult, I treat you like an adult, Frank Slootweg.
When you don't, I don't.

It's really that simple.

You and I go way back, where I know you mostly from the Android newsgroup:
http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android
Where I have been on that relatively new newsgroup since its inception, and
where you likely have been to.

In general, I find you to be very similar to nospam, where, for example,
you argue incessantly over silly semantic issues, such as when you argued
about what headers can be changed when I said that "all" my headers are
faked.

You went on and on about the fact that not all of them can be faked, which,
giving the point was that the entire header set isn't to be trusted, you
tried to nail me down on your silly semantic games - since I know you're
not so stupid as to believe I was saying that the "injection date" can as
easily be faked as, say, the time zone.

I finally gave up on you because I realized you play mostly silly semantic
games, much like nospam and Snit, both of whom delight in such
chit-chat-model pleasantries.

Also, remember, you lie.

For example, you repeatedly said you didn't say what you actually did say
to Snit about his patently ridiculous video and I proved what you said, and
yet you still attempt to deny your very words.

You just play silly games Frank Slootweg.
Most of the time anyway.

That's what trolls do.

While I don't consider you in the Good Guy class of troll, to me a troll is
someone just like you who revels in wasting everyone's time lying about
what they said (hoping nobody would look it up) and playing those silly
semantic games you play (like you did with the header obfuscation).

If you want me to dig up these references again, I will, so remember Frank
Slootweg - I only speak fact. Everything I say is based on facts that, if
you challenge them, I will prove you wrong on every situation because I
don't make this **** up.

It's absolutely *not* about 'intent and tone', it's *only* about
*content*. If you do not *like* the content - which is nearly always the
case - you attack the messenger and hir character.


The one thing you don't realize, Frank Slootweg, is that I'm not you.
I do not project my foibles upon you.

When I describe you, it's different than when I describe the other trolls,
simply because you're different from the other trolls in many way.

But you project YOUR foibles upon me, simply because you don't seem to have
the comprehensive abilities to realize that I'm nothing like you Frank
Slootweg. Nothing like you at all.

Hence, there are two things you can't comprehend a human being can do:
1. Respond to a post mirroring the intent and tone, and,
2. Agree and disagree with valid points as an adult would (and should).

You have neither of those two skills, Frank Slootweg.
So you project the latter foibles upon me, which is just dead wrong, Frank.

Regarding the former skill, there are guys I admire, almost saints
actually, like J.P. Gilliver and Paul and Mike Easter, etc., who can
respond in a helpful way to unhelpful posts, I just don't do that.

1. If the post is intended to be helpful (e.g., from Paul), I am courteous
back.
2. If the post is intended not to be helpful (e.g., almost anything from
nospam or from you), then I mirror the tone in my response.

Regarding the latter, I am almost never wrong because I speak only facts,
and because I test most of the questions I ask first, and because I run
searches for most things before asking (unless I know the search is futile
due to search terms or specificity).

Facts are funny that way.

The two funny things about facts a
A. They are often indisputable (e.g., that you argue silly semantics, is a
fact. That you congratulated Snit on his patently wrong video is a fact.)
B. When someone gives me a fact,

As you are well aware, I have multiple higher degrees, in the sciences and
engineering level, at the best schools in our country ... so I'm well
acquainted with facts.

Facts and intuition are two different things.
Facts and feelings are two different things.

For example, gravity simply the result of a curvature of spacetime, which
is a fact - but our intuition tells us otherwise. Likewise, quantum
entanglement appears to be spooky action at a distance, just as there is
uncertainty in that some people "prefer to think the moon is still there
even when they're not looking" - but - in essence - it's not (speaking in
terms of quantum mechanics only).

The huge difference between you and me, Frank Slootweg, I conjecture, is:
a. You trust your intuition more than you trust facts to the contrary,
b. While I trust facts more than I trust my intuition.

When you state that I attack the messenger if I don't like the content,
you're dead wrong Frank Slootweg, except when what you're really saying is
that I respond to what YOU say when you play your silly semantic games with
me, or that I respond with fact to YOU when you deny that you congratulated
Snit, or that I respond with proof that YOU brazenly troll your idiotic
trolls or I respond differently to YOU when you say I'm sycophantic toward
Paul but realistic toward you, etc.

The veritable fact is that when YOU troll - I respond to your trolls.
You feel that's an ATTACK but it's always a response to your actions.

When you respond like an adult, I treat you like an adult, Frank Slootweg.

Guess what, Usenet does not exist to please Mr. EMAK, so live with it.


Again, you project YOUR foibles upon others.

You actually think what you say is how other people think.
But it's not how other people think.

It's how YOU think.

You remind me of Jolly Roger, or Lewis, but most of the people here won't
know anything about those particularly pernicious trolls since they mostly
infest the iOS newsgroups.

Like you, they have zero capacity to comprehend that not everyone thinks
like they do. You seem to think EXACTLY like they do, where it's a proven
fact that they feel any truth stated about Apple is an attack against their
personal belief system.

I love when they post (and you know I've always said that) because it gives
me an idea of how the mind of the average iOS user works (assuming they're
average).

If I say Tim Cook told a lie (and we all know that he got caught doing so)
or that Apple told a lie (we know they got caught doing so), they think I
hate Apple (even though I likely have bought more iOS devices in my life
than they have).

Snit says that all the time, for example, that I hate Apple and love
Android and Windows, even as I say the truth about all the platforms.

They project THEIR foibles upon me, and you're doing the same thing here
Frank Slootweg.

What you don't seem to ever comprehend is that I'm not like you Frank
Slootweg. I'm nothing like you, in fact. You're nothing like I am too.

I don't project my personal foibles upon you - and yet - you constantly
project yours upon mine.

You don't see Paul doing that. Nor Mike Easter. You do see Wolf K. doing
that, but he has never once added on-topic value to any thread in his life
(AFAICT), where, for example, when I asked about disabling Cortana, all he
said was his dumb-ass "search" comment - to which I explained to him that I
ran plenty of searches prior and then he shut up (thank God) because Wolf
K. really has nothing of value to add to any conversation anyway.

I think you're a cut above Wolf K., in that on very rare occasions, you
actually can add value. This puts you more in the category of nospam than
of Wolf K. in terms of trolls.

You see, Frank Slootweg, I know about the different types of trolls, where
you and nospam are in a different category than Wolf K. and Snit.

Of course you share similarities, but the point is that I don't project MY
foibles upon you. I treat each of you differently and the same depending on
how you're different and the same.

I don't think you'll EVER comprehend what I just said though.
You trust your intuition more than you trust facts to the contrary.

This is why you trusted Snit's idiotic video, for example.
You never once comprehended a single thing in that WiFi thread.

Hence, you say that I don't like what people say, but what I responded to
in that thread were facts, where you utterly hate being wrong, Frank
Slootweg.

That's another thing that is HUGELY DIFFERENT between us Frank Slootweg.
a. You HATE being wrong (perhaps because you're wrong so very often), while
b. I don't mind being wrong one bit (because I learn if it's pointed out).

I realize you can't comprehend that anyone is different from you in that
critical regard, Frank Slootweg but the fact is that we are diametrically
opposed on those two statements above - even as you can't comprehend that
anyone would be like I am, who only cares about the facts.

Want a challenge? In future, when you flame a poster, tell *why* the
poster is wrong/uniformed/whatever, i.e. - as adults do - address the
*message* and do not attack the poster, especially not the poster's
character.


Again, Frank Slootweg, you are foisting your foibles upon others, when you
should look within at yourself.

You can't seem to comprehend that not everyone thinks and acts like you do,
Frank.

In the meantime, we're not holding our breath.


The funny thing about you Frank Slootweg, is that you can't comprehend
facts - even when those facts are repeated myriad times on the net!

For example, you clearly missed the myriad times I've stated, for example,
to nospam, something to the effect of:
"Someday nospam, you're going to add on-topic value - but not today."

My main issue with you, Frank Slootweg, is twofold:
a. You don't generally add value - and you play silly semantic games, and,
b. You can't seem to ever comprehend that people are DIFFERENT than you.
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Old June 24th 18, 09:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Arlen Holder wrote:
On 24 Jun 2018 13:03:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Nope. If you do not like *what* people write, you attack
*immediately*.


Hi Frank Slootweg,

When you respond like an adult, I treat you like an adult, Frank Slootweg.
When you don't, I don't.


[Followed by another 220 lines proving that The Lying Liar *does*
immediately attack the *poster* and does *not* address the *content*.]
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Old June 24th 18, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 24 Jun 2018 20:22:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[Followed by another 220 lines proving that The Lying Liar *does*
immediately attack the *poster* and does *not* address the *content*.]


You project far too much of your personality on others.

I accept that you, Frank Slootweg, are nothing like I am.

Hence your errant projections are only a funhouse mirror of your own.
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Old June 24th 18, 10:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 24 Jun 2018, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

The obvious claim is that all mixmin posters are members of a
particular race. Or maybe I misunderstood and the claim is that
all trolls are members of a particular race. In either case, which
race would that be?


They're all Mixmen. Dirty, stinkin' Mixmen. Bad hombres, rapists and
killers every one. Deport 'em.
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Old June 24th 18, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Arlen Holder wrote:
[...]

I accept that you, Frank Slootweg, are nothing like I am.


Thank heaven for that!
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Old June 25th 18, 12:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!!

Arlen Holder wrote on 6/23/2018 11:44 PM:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 10:05:47 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Has the moronic poster "Sam Hill" *always* been a troll on this newsgroup?


All mixmin posters are trolls.


Hi Vanguard,

That's an idiotic racist statement from you - which shows that your thought
process is easily shown to be exactly that of a racist mindset.

Both of us have been on Usenet for decades, where you use a different
privacy-based model than I do, both of which are valid.

Many people use what I term the "chit-chat model", where you post mostly to
other people's threads; hence you don't have any particular vested interest
in the outcome of the thread; hence who you are often contains more
importance than what technical value you actually add to the thread.

I use what I term the "Q&A model", where I mostly post to my own threads,
each of which asks a question or requests testing, using, and improving any
one of my thousands of tutorials; hence I have a huge vested interest in
the outcome, where we, together, almost never fail to find the answer to
good hard questions.

Here is a sample of some of the related solutions in my personal archives
(this screenshot is simply the top-50 setup items, in order, for Windows)
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_restore1.jpg

In the Q&A model, the only header that is meaningful is the SUBJECT line,
since it clearly asks a specific technical question, and the only post that
matters is the SUMMARY post, generally painstakingly written up after the
solution to thank everyone and to add to the tribal knowledge archives so
that the next person stands on our shoulders when they encounter the
problem.

Since I clearly have a vested interest in the outcome of the Q&A threads,
how I handle the inevitable bullying trolls is quite different than how I
handle them in the chit-chat threads (all of which I also read).

In the chit-chat model threads, I don't feed the trolls, nor drop to their
level, but in the Q&A model threads, once the trolls infest the thread,
it's like them bringing dung to the potluck picnic. The moment the trolls
show up, the public picnic is already ruined.

The thing about trolls is that they're all cowardly bullies, who thrive on
attention - but - who usually don't like negative attention.

It's a difficult task to decide *how* to deal with trolls in the Q&A model,
whereas it's a trivial task to decide how to deal with them in the
chit-chat model. In the chit-chat model, you're not invested in the outcome
of the thread - but - in the Q&A model, you are invested in the successful
outcome of the thread.

Bearing in mind the moment the trolls infest any thread, it's already
ruined, your only hope is to salvage what you can, and prevent the *next*
Q&A thread from being infested by the trolls.

You have to understand that huge difference to understand why I confront
the troll bullies directly, naming them directly, and pointing out directly
their lack of ability to contribute value.

Vanguard ... that you think all mixmin posters are trolls simply proves
that your racist thought process is no different than Mayayana's.

You will hate me for pointing out fact - but it's a fact nonetheless that
your thought process is easily shown to be exactly that of a racist mind.

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Old June 25th 18, 01:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 17:00:57 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Jun 2018, Char Jackson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

The obvious claim is that all mixmin posters are members of a
particular race. Or maybe I misunderstood and the claim is that
all trolls are members of a particular race. In either case, which
race would that be?


They're all Mixmen. Dirty, stinkin' Mixmen. Bad hombres, rapists and
killers every one. Deport 'em.


LOL

Arlen, or whatever his name is this week, must have had a bad experience
with those stinkin' Mixmen. Once bitten, twice shy.

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Old June 25th 18, 03:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Frank Slootweg" wrote
|
| I accept that you, Frank Slootweg, are nothing like I am.
|
| Thank heaven for that!

I'm still trying to figure out, who the Sam Hill is Sam Hill?


  #26  
Old June 25th 18, 05:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 22:13:13 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out, who the Sam Hill is Sam Hill?


I have a strategic plan to reduce the moronic trolls in this newsgroup,
where a tactic is troll shaming.

There is an underlying strategy to the tactic, which I think is working as
the past few technical threads weren't infested by the incessant trolls,
Nil, Diesel, nospam, etc.,

Better yet, for the most part, the value-less chit-chat posters have shied
away, mostly but not completely, from the hard technical questions.

The reason is that these chit-chat experts have no real value to add.
All they *can* do, is chit chat.
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Old June 25th 18, 08:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 25 Jun 2018, Arlen Holder wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I have a strategic plan to reduce the moronic trolls in this
newsgroup, where a tactic is troll shaming.


You are delusional.

There is an underlying strategy to the tactic, which I think is
working as the past few technical threads weren't infested by the
incessant trolls, Nil, Diesel, nospam, etc.,


Is that an invitation?
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Old June 25th 18, 03:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 03:32:35 -0400, Nil wrote:

Is that an invitation?


You, Nil, are an expert in the worthless chit-chat model.

However, the fact remains that you have never once contributed a single
iota of on-topic technical value to any thread in your entire life.

*Nil consistently proves my point, in every post, that he's worthless.*
 




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