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  #1  
Old January 16th 10, 04:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Patti Barden
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Posts: 57
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard Disk
and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the most
unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti


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Old January 16th 10, 07:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
DL[_3_]
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Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

I dont use Paragon, but Acronis TI
Generally you create an initial full clone / backup, then a regular
incremental clone/backup to add any changes.
At some stage your backup drive will be full, then you have to start over,
having deleted the old backups

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard Disk
and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the most
unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti




  #3  
Old January 16th 10, 07:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
DL[_3_]
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Posts: 929
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

I dont use Paragon, but Acronis TI
Generally you create an initial full clone / backup, then a regular
incremental clone/backup to add any changes.
At some stage your backup drive will be full, then you have to start over,
having deleted the old backups

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard Disk
and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the most
unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti




  #4  
Old January 17th 10, 03:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Patti Barden
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Posts: 57
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

Thanks DL.
I have a disk of Acronis True Image 10 Personal I got in a magazine.
In my mind this is what I understand I should do:
1. Partition my 500 GB C drive.
2. Partition my 1T GB Fexternal hard drive.
3. Copy my C disk with Acronis to my Fexternal hard drive.
4. then when I do a incremental clone/backup it should be saved to a
separate partition on the Fexternal Hard Drive??

Am I close?
Thank you, Patti

"DL" wrote in message
...
I dont use Paragon, but Acronis TI
Generally you create an initial full clone / backup, then a regular
incremental clone/backup to add any changes.
At some stage your backup drive will be full, then you have to start over,
having deleted the old backups

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard
Disk and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the
most unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti






  #5  
Old January 17th 10, 03:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Patti Barden
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 57
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

Thanks DL.
I have a disk of Acronis True Image 10 Personal I got in a magazine.
In my mind this is what I understand I should do:
1. Partition my 500 GB C drive.
2. Partition my 1T GB Fexternal hard drive.
3. Copy my C disk with Acronis to my Fexternal hard drive.
4. then when I do a incremental clone/backup it should be saved to a
separate partition on the Fexternal Hard Drive??

Am I close?
Thank you, Patti

"DL" wrote in message
...
I dont use Paragon, but Acronis TI
Generally you create an initial full clone / backup, then a regular
incremental clone/backup to add any changes.
At some stage your backup drive will be full, then you have to start over,
having deleted the old backups

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard
Disk and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the
most unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti






  #6  
Old January 17th 10, 03:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

In message , Patti Barden
writes:
Thanks DL.
I have a disk of Acronis True Image 10 Personal I got in a magazine.
In my mind this is what I understand I should do:
1. Partition my 500 GB C drive.
2. Partition my 1T GB Fexternal hard drive.
3. Copy my C disk with Acronis to my Fexternal hard drive.


Assuming this is part of your wanting to partition (really, add further
partitions to) your internal hard drive, I would do any partitioning -
_if you need to_ - of the external drive _first_, making sure you're
happy with what has been done, _then_ do the backup (imaging) of your C:
drive to (one of the partitions on) the external one (making sure that
you know how you are going to restore the backup to your HD if for any
reason Windows won't boot - probably using the boot disc that Acronis
will create), and only _then_ think about partitioning your internal
hard (C) drive.

4. then when I do a incremental clone/backup it should be saved to a
separate partition on the Fexternal Hard Drive??

Am I close?
Thank you, Patti

[]
Getting there, but not quite a cigar ...

Clone, if the term is used correctly, copies an entire partition to
another partition - including all the unused space. Not really
necessary, in most cases. The term is often misused, however.

Backup/image copies the _used_ space: depending on the backup software
used, it may copy them as individual files, but most backup/image
software just makes one huge file (or sometimes several huge files, to
allow for maximum file size limitations of assorted operating systems).
These don't _have_ to be put in a separate partition, though it's
probably a good idea.

Incremental backup just saves (again either as individual files or by
putting them into one or few big files) the files that have changed (or
been added) since the last full or incremental backup. It is therefore
faster (and needs less space); the penalty is that, should you ever have
to do a restore-from-backup, you have to restore the full backup, then
from all the incremental backups in turn, which takes longer (and is
more prone to error) than restoring from a full backup only.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Mr. Spock succumbs to a powerful mating urge and nearly kills Captain Kirk."
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  #7  
Old January 17th 10, 03:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,291
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

In message , Patti Barden
writes:
Thanks DL.
I have a disk of Acronis True Image 10 Personal I got in a magazine.
In my mind this is what I understand I should do:
1. Partition my 500 GB C drive.
2. Partition my 1T GB Fexternal hard drive.
3. Copy my C disk with Acronis to my Fexternal hard drive.


Assuming this is part of your wanting to partition (really, add further
partitions to) your internal hard drive, I would do any partitioning -
_if you need to_ - of the external drive _first_, making sure you're
happy with what has been done, _then_ do the backup (imaging) of your C:
drive to (one of the partitions on) the external one (making sure that
you know how you are going to restore the backup to your HD if for any
reason Windows won't boot - probably using the boot disc that Acronis
will create), and only _then_ think about partitioning your internal
hard (C) drive.

4. then when I do a incremental clone/backup it should be saved to a
separate partition on the Fexternal Hard Drive??

Am I close?
Thank you, Patti

[]
Getting there, but not quite a cigar ...

Clone, if the term is used correctly, copies an entire partition to
another partition - including all the unused space. Not really
necessary, in most cases. The term is often misused, however.

Backup/image copies the _used_ space: depending on the backup software
used, it may copy them as individual files, but most backup/image
software just makes one huge file (or sometimes several huge files, to
allow for maximum file size limitations of assorted operating systems).
These don't _have_ to be put in a separate partition, though it's
probably a good idea.

Incremental backup just saves (again either as individual files or by
putting them into one or few big files) the files that have changed (or
been added) since the last full or incremental backup. It is therefore
faster (and needs less space); the penalty is that, should you ever have
to do a restore-from-backup, you have to restore the full backup, then
from all the incremental backups in turn, which takes longer (and is
more prone to error) than restoring from a full backup only.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

"Mr. Spock succumbs to a powerful mating urge and nearly kills Captain Kirk."
- TV Guide description of Amok Time Trek episode.
  #8  
Old January 17th 10, 05:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
glee
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Posts: 1,794
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard
Disk and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the
most unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it
out. (Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti


I humbly suggest, if you are "a simple soul" that you do NOT use
Paragon. I know professionals who have gotten in trouble with it,
because it does not always do what you think it will with a particular
option. It is a very good and powerful tool, with little in the way of
Help. Use Acronis True Image or the free Easeus Partition Manager.

Defragment the C: before adding a partition. Next make the C: partition
smaller on the trailing end to make unallocated space for the new
partition you want. Then create the new partition....if it is just for
Data, don't make it a primary partition, make it an extended partition
and create a logical volume on it, through the menus of the partitioning
program.

The external drive can be partitioned as one large partition if you
like. Use a program like Acronis True Image or the free Easeus Todo
Backup to create an Image Backup of the internal drive partitions to the
external. An Image Backup is an image of the entire partition at that
moment, which can then be restored if needed, using a bootable rescue CD
made with the program. IMO, Acronis True Image is the far simpler tool
to use for this than Easeus, and certainly simpler than Paragon. My
preference is TerabyteUnlimited's BootIt NG, but it is not as
user-friendly for the imaging newbie.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

  #9  
Old January 17th 10, 05:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
glee
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,794
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard
Disk and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the
most unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it
out. (Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti


I humbly suggest, if you are "a simple soul" that you do NOT use
Paragon. I know professionals who have gotten in trouble with it,
because it does not always do what you think it will with a particular
option. It is a very good and powerful tool, with little in the way of
Help. Use Acronis True Image or the free Easeus Partition Manager.

Defragment the C: before adding a partition. Next make the C: partition
smaller on the trailing end to make unallocated space for the new
partition you want. Then create the new partition....if it is just for
Data, don't make it a primary partition, make it an extended partition
and create a logical volume on it, through the menus of the partitioning
program.

The external drive can be partitioned as one large partition if you
like. Use a program like Acronis True Image or the free Easeus Todo
Backup to create an Image Backup of the internal drive partitions to the
external. An Image Backup is an image of the entire partition at that
moment, which can then be restored if needed, using a bootable rescue CD
made with the program. IMO, Acronis True Image is the far simpler tool
to use for this than Easeus, and certainly simpler than Paragon. My
preference is TerabyteUnlimited's BootIt NG, but it is not as
user-friendly for the imaging newbie.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

  #10  
Old January 17th 10, 09:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
DL[_3_]
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Posts: 929
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

Personally I wouldn't partition C;
Simply within Acronis follow the prompts to create a Clone (I also use the
verify option)
Then create a incremental clone based on the origonal full clone
(Acronis 10 has the facility to either only use xx space on the target drive
or only keep xx backups before restarting the process)

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Thanks DL.
I have a disk of Acronis True Image 10 Personal I got in a magazine.
In my mind this is what I understand I should do:
1. Partition my 500 GB C drive.
2. Partition my 1T GB Fexternal hard drive.
3. Copy my C disk with Acronis to my Fexternal hard drive.
4. then when I do a incremental clone/backup it should be saved to a
separate partition on the Fexternal Hard Drive??

Am I close?
Thank you, Patti

"DL" wrote in message
...
I dont use Paragon, but Acronis TI
Generally you create an initial full clone / backup, then a regular
incremental clone/backup to add any changes.
At some stage your backup drive will be full, then you have to start
over, having deleted the old backups

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard
Disk and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the
most unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti








  #11  
Old January 17th 10, 09:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
DL[_3_]
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Posts: 929
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

Personally I wouldn't partition C;
Simply within Acronis follow the prompts to create a Clone (I also use the
verify option)
Then create a incremental clone based on the origonal full clone
(Acronis 10 has the facility to either only use xx space on the target drive
or only keep xx backups before restarting the process)

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Thanks DL.
I have a disk of Acronis True Image 10 Personal I got in a magazine.
In my mind this is what I understand I should do:
1. Partition my 500 GB C drive.
2. Partition my 1T GB Fexternal hard drive.
3. Copy my C disk with Acronis to my Fexternal hard drive.
4. then when I do a incremental clone/backup it should be saved to a
separate partition on the Fexternal Hard Drive??

Am I close?
Thank you, Patti

"DL" wrote in message
...
I dont use Paragon, but Acronis TI
Generally you create an initial full clone / backup, then a regular
incremental clone/backup to add any changes.
At some stage your backup drive will be full, then you have to start
over, having deleted the old backups

"Patti Barden" wrote in message
...
Using XP SP3, 500 GB HD & 1T External Hard Disk

I want to make a Copy of my C hard disk to put on my F Externals Hard
Disk and then do
backups to record any changes since the original Copy was made.

I have the PHDM CD installed and have read and reread directions (the
most unhelpful
the world) for days trying to figure out what I am doing. All about
Sector-Based Backup,
File-Based Backup, File Increment to a Sector Backup, and Differential
Sector Backup, etc.

I am a simple soul and this is too hard for me but I must figure it out.
(Recently had a hard
disk failure with no backups - bad news)
Thanks for any help.
Patti








  #12  
Old January 20th 10, 02:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Posts: 5,291
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

In message , DL
writes:
Personally I wouldn't partition C;
Simply within Acronis follow the prompts to create a Clone (I also use the
verify option)
Then create a incremental clone based on the origonal full clone
(Acronis 10 has the facility to either only use xx space on the target drive
or only keep xx backups before restarting the process)


I think you mean "backup" or "image"; if used properly, the term "clone"
means a (sector by sector) copy of a complete drive or partition,
including the unused (empty) space. As such, the phrase "incremental
clone" has no meaning.

Personally I _would_ partition C: - for an XP system, 30G ought to see
XP out. (Actually this isn't "partitioning C:" - it's dividing the drive
which is currently all C: into two or more partitions, the first of
which will become C:.)
[]
But sort out the external drive _first_ (if you decide it actually needs
any sorting beyond how it already is), then make a backup image of C: on
it, before doing anything to the internal drive. If your repartitioning
activities with the internal drive result in no corruption, i. e. you
end up with a bootable C: with all your software still working fine, and
your data accessible somewhere (on your new D:, or on the external
drive, or whatever), you can then delete the backup image from the
external drive, though it's a good thing to have. (Though I'd replace it
with a backup image of the new C:, once you've reconfigured all the
software as you like.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

Boss: We must maintain a sense of urgency. Speed is the key. We must be faster
than the competition.
Dilbert: Does that mean you'll sign the stuff that's been on your desk for a
month? (Scott Adams, 1998-12-26)
  #13  
Old January 20th 10, 02:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,291
Default Any users of Paragon Hard Disk Manager?

In message , DL
writes:
Personally I wouldn't partition C;
Simply within Acronis follow the prompts to create a Clone (I also use the
verify option)
Then create a incremental clone based on the origonal full clone
(Acronis 10 has the facility to either only use xx space on the target drive
or only keep xx backups before restarting the process)


I think you mean "backup" or "image"; if used properly, the term "clone"
means a (sector by sector) copy of a complete drive or partition,
including the unused (empty) space. As such, the phrase "incremental
clone" has no meaning.

Personally I _would_ partition C: - for an XP system, 30G ought to see
XP out. (Actually this isn't "partitioning C:" - it's dividing the drive
which is currently all C: into two or more partitions, the first of
which will become C:.)
[]
But sort out the external drive _first_ (if you decide it actually needs
any sorting beyond how it already is), then make a backup image of C: on
it, before doing anything to the internal drive. If your repartitioning
activities with the internal drive result in no corruption, i. e. you
end up with a bootable C: with all your software still working fine, and
your data accessible somewhere (on your new D:, or on the external
drive, or whatever), you can then delete the backup image from the
external drive, though it's a good thing to have. (Though I'd replace it
with a backup image of the new C:, once you've reconfigured all the
software as you like.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

Boss: We must maintain a sense of urgency. Speed is the key. We must be faster
than the competition.
Dilbert: Does that mean you'll sign the stuff that's been on your desk for a
month? (Scott Adams, 1998-12-26)
 




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