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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
Caver1 wrote:
On 08/05/2018 06:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Caver1 wrote: Just as I was saying. Apple is starting to open up to what apps you can install. Never use to be this way. absolutely wrong. in fact, the opposite is true. Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. also wrong. the default is app store *and* known developers (outside the app store). How to enable installation of non-Mac App Store apps on OS X https://ioshacker.com/how-to/enable-...e-apps-on-os-x https://www.cultofmac.com/224876/saf...mac-os-x-tips/ If it also includes known developers without changing this setting then you need to point out to these Apple centric sites that they need to correct this. that's for security, since malware authors are highly unlikely to sign up for a legitimate developer account because they could easily be tracked down. the setting easy to disable, but it's a very bad idea, as the computer is less secure. unfortunately, there are bad people in this world and security is *very* important. That is why the repositories are push in Linux. Nope. Updates are polled on daily or weekly basis by apps like Software Updater. On debian like distros you always need to 'apt-get update' to get the list of available updates. At the same time you don't have to change any settings in Linux to install apps from elsewhere. False. Third party programs like virtualbox need additional repos to be enabled (including a signed key) before they can be installed. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge advocate of linux (used it at home and work for the last 15 years), but making stuff up isn't helping anyone. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
Chris wrote:
Caver1 wrote: If Apple didn't care that setting wouldn't be there because there would be nothing in the OS to stop you from installing from anywhere. Windows at the same time is starting to try to restrict from where something is installed from. Yup. Every time you install something outside of the Microsoft store it brings up a warning pop-up. There is a toggle to remove it. It is not massively different from having to enable the "restricted" repos in Linux for installing things like nvidia drivers and mp3 playback. Actually, the "non-free" ("restricted") repos are usually marked as such because the software contained therein does not have a "free" (libre) license. Although, you really only run into this if you choose to use distributions that put an effort into segregating packages like that (Debian used to); OR if you're using "OEM Media" to install the initial system image. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
Caver1 wrote:
On 08/05/2018 06:17 PM, nospam wrote: unfortunately, there are bad people in this world and security is *very* important. That is why the repositories are push in Linux. At the same time you don't have to change any settings in Linux to install apps from elsewhere. Depends on the distro. "Newbie-friendly" distros (or rather, the communities that surround them) push the repos because they're "easy", and are unlikely to get you into dependency hell. Other distros expect you to compile some (or all) programs from source. -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 05/08/18 22:37, Caver1 wrote:
Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. ???? Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ll-firefox-mac suggest that installation is still as it was last time I used it. Download a .dmg and run it Only IOS uses the Apple Store. -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 08/06/2018 07:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/08/18 22:37, Caver1 wrote: Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. ???? Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ll-firefox-mac suggest that installation is still as it was last time I used it. Download a .dmg and run it Only IOS uses the Apple Store. Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? -- Caver1 |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 06/08/18 13:26, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/06/2018 07:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 05/08/18 22:37, Caver1 wrote: Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. ???? Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ll-firefox-mac suggest that installation is still as it was last time I used it. Download a .dmg and run it Only IOS uses the Apple Store. Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? where are these 'instructions' on the page I linked to? -- The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 08/06/2018 08:49 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/08/18 13:26, Caver1 wrote: On 08/06/2018 07:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 05/08/18 22:37, Caver1 wrote: Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. ???? Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ll-firefox-mac suggest that installation is still as it was last time I used it. Download a .dmg and run it Only IOS uses the Apple Store. Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? where are these 'instructions' on the page I linked to? How to enable installation of non-Mac App Store apps on OS X https://ioshacker.com/how-to/enable-...e-apps-on-os-x https://www.cultofmac.com/224876/saf...mac-os-x-tips/ -- Caver1 |
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On 06/08/18 14:03, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/06/2018 08:49 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 06/08/18 13:26, Caver1 wrote: On 08/06/2018 07:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 05/08/18 22:37, Caver1 wrote: Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. ???? Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ll-firefox-mac suggest that installation is still as it was last time I used it. Download a .dmg and run it Only IOS uses the Apple Store. Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? where are these 'instructions' on the page I linked to? How to enable installation of non-Mac App Store apps on OS X https://ioshacker.com/how-to/enable-...e-apps-on-os-x https://www.cultofmac.com/224876/saf...mac-os-x-tips/ Yeah. I looked. Its trivially easy by many methods to install 3rd party apps. It's about as secure as Linux needing you to enter your password to do any installation anyway. Or adding a PPA. In short its no different from amything else, a lightweight barrier to make sure you didnt install what *might* be malware by *mistake*. Had the same issue installing something on android. Just downloaded it from 3rd party site, clicked on it 'Are you syre' etc etc. AFAIK the real bugger is IOS https://lifehacker.com/how-to-instal...jai-1749519150 Thta is seriously nasty hackery. -- “I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.” ― Leo Tolstoy |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
"Wolf K" wrote
| cite where apple officially claimed that. "news sources that i read" | isn't going to cut it. | | Sure, if I'd know you wanted a citation, I would have kept a file folder | bulging with newspaper and magazine clippings. | To talk with nospam is to slap yourself in the face. You might want to quit while you're behind. On Apple and Intel, I don't know anything about what Jobs might have said, but I do remember the ads showing an Intel CPU as a snail. And I remember the fervent AppleSeeds telling me that a 300 MHz Motorola could run circles around an Intel 900 MHz. Doubtless that was the party line from Apple. The devotees were not allowed to doubt. If you were using Macs at the time you were probably susceptible to Jobs's carnival barking. I guess that was probably happening when Apple was frustrated with Motorola's lack of development but didn't want to quit them. So they made overcompensating ads that tried to show Intel CPUs as inherently faulty. Any reasonable person could have interpreted that to mean that Jobs was digging in and standing by Motorola. So I can see how you would have got that idea. Then again, Jobs's pronouncements meant little. Would you ask P. T. Barnum what "egress" means? Jobs was a salesman. Worse, he was a preacher who probably believed his own spiel. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? where are these 'instructions' on the page I linked to? How to enable installation of non-Mac App Store apps on OS X https://ioshacker.com/how-to/enable-...c-app-store-ap ps-on-os-x https://www.cultofmac.com/224876/saf...ore-apps-on-yo ur-mac-os-x-tips/ Yeah. I looked. Its trivially easy by many methods to install 3rd party apps. It's about as secure as Linux needing you to enter your password to do any installation anyway. Or adding a PPA. In short its no different from amything else, a lightweight barrier to make sure you didnt install what *might* be malware by *mistake*. exactly. Had the same issue installing something on android. Just downloaded it from 3rd party site, clicked on it 'Are you syre' yep. android, which has linux under the hood, requires the user to change a setting to sideload. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
In article , Wolf K
wrote: the same time, Apple swore up and down that they would never - NEVER!- use Intel chips. they never said anything remotely close to that. Well, according to the news sources I read, they did. i don't know what you read, but steve jobs actually hinted at it: from 2002: https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/33425/apple_set_intel_switch_/ At Macworld Expo, analysts quizzed Apple CEO Steve Jobs. Jobs was asked if there was a possibility of the company switching to Intel chips. He said: "First of all, we have to complete the operating system transition. Then we would have options. And we like to have options." But thanks for the info on the PowerPC chip. no problem. Yeah, but that was after Apple "officially" claimed that it wasn't going to do that. IIRC, reports of that "hint" was the first I heard of the, er, transition. cite where apple officially claimed that. "news sources that i read" isn't going to cut it. Sure, if I'd know you wanted a citation, I would have kept a file folder bulging with newspaper and magazine clippings. fortunately, the internet has kept a (virtual) folder of far more than just that and without any of the bulges, and google and other search engines have indexed it to help you quickly find it. note that i found a citation from 2002, sixteen years ago, which shows that they said the *opposite* of what you claim they did. it also doesn't matter what they said. the change in processors had little to no effect on end users, other than new macs were faster. powerpc macs didn't suddenly stop working and apple worked very hard so that existing powerpc software continued to work without issue on intel macs and made it easy for developers to create universal apps that ran on both. contrast that to windows mobile 6, where users were left in the cold. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
In article , Mayayana
wrote: On Apple and Intel, I don't know anything about what Jobs might have said, but I do remember the ads showing an Intel CPU as a snail. And I remember the fervent AppleSeeds telling me that a 300 MHz Motorola could run circles around an Intel 900 MHz. Doubtless that was the party line from Apple. The devotees were not allowed to doubt. If you were using Macs at the time you were probably susceptible to Jobs's carnival barking. directly comparing clock speeds of two totally different processor architectures is bogus. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 08/06/2018 09:13 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/08/18 14:03, Caver1 wrote: On 08/06/2018 08:49 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 06/08/18 13:26, Caver1 wrote: On 08/06/2018 07:42 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 05/08/18 22:37, Caver1 wrote: Even with OSX unless you change a privacy & security setting you can only load apps from he Apple store. ???? Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ll-firefox-mac suggest that installation is still as it was last time I used it. Download a .dmg and run it Only IOS uses the Apple Store. Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? where are these 'instructions' on the page I linked to? How to enable installation of non-Mac App Store apps on OS X https://ioshacker.com/how-to/enable-...e-apps-on-os-x https://www.cultofmac.com/224876/saf...mac-os-x-tips/ Yeah. I looked. Its trivially easy by many methods to install 3rd party apps. It's about as secure as Linux needing you to enter your password to do any installation anyway. Or adding a PPA. It's not quite the same thing. Yes you need a password to install anything in Linux, at the same time you are not limited to the distros repos for the installation of apps. In short its no different from amything else, a lightweight barrier to make sure you didnt install what *might* be malware by *mistake*. Had the same issue installing something on android. Just downloaded it from 3rd party site, clicked on it 'Are you syre' etc etc. Yes there is a setting to change just like in OSX. Simple but you have to know it's there. AFAIK the real bugger is IOS https://lifehacker.com/how-to-instal...jai-1749519150 Thta is seriously nasty hackery. I won't own an iPhone and am seriously considering getting rid my android phone also. Only use it as a phone, so why keep paying the added expense of having one. You said; Only IOS uses the Apple Store Its been a long time since I used OS/X but it never used Apple store at all. So I posted two links from sites that were Apple centric that stated that it did. You commented; Yeah. I looked. The only way you can install non Apple store apps is to change a setting in OSX. You don't have to change any settings in the distros that I have used to do this. I have since found out that you can install apps from Apple approved devs also without changing these settings. These devs do have to pay a fee to become Apple approved. So it is still Apple controlled. So now my question is does the common Apple user even know that setting is there? Maybe they do I don't know. The many I know I seriously doubt they do. Heck you didn't even know OSX used the Apple store. It's funny that you mention that this blocking is there to stop malware. All of the Apple users I know think OSX or even IOS is impervious to malware. I have helped several of the OSX users I know with their computer problems. Software and hardware. I'm not totally ignorant but there is a lot I don't know as I don't use it. There is choice so choose what you like best. -- Caver1 |
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On 08/06/2018 09:54 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher wrote: Then why is there instructions for OSX to enable you to install non app store apps? where are these 'instructions' on the page I linked to? How to enable installation of non-Mac App Store apps on OS X https://ioshacker.com/how-to/enable-...c-app-store-ap ps-on-os-x https://www.cultofmac.com/224876/saf...ore-apps-on-yo ur-mac-os-x-tips/ Yeah. I looked. Its trivially easy by many methods to install 3rd party apps. It's about as secure as Linux needing you to enter your password to do any installation anyway. Or adding a PPA. In short its no different from amything else, a lightweight barrier to make sure you didnt install what *might* be malware by *mistake*. exactly. Had the same issue installing something on android. Just downloaded it from 3rd party site, clicked on it 'Are you syre' yep. android, which has linux under the hood, requires the user to change a setting to sideload. The Linux kernel that android use has been modified to Googles liking. Just like Apple modifying BSD for it's OSs. They are both based upon but not. -- Caver1 |
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In article , Caver1
wrote: The only way you can install non Apple store apps is to change a setting in OSX. once again, that's false. only apps from *unknown* developers require a setting change, which is very, very easy to do. You don't have to change any settings in the distros that I have used to do this. I have since found out that you can install apps from Apple approved devs also without changing these settings. there is no approval process. all that's needed is to sign up as a developer, which is very easy and anyone can do it. These devs do have to pay a fee to become Apple approved. so what? if a developer can't be bothered to pay $99 to become a registered developer then their software isn't worth using. that's cheap compared to certain other companies: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing/ So it is still Apple controlled. So now my question is does the common Apple user even know that setting is there? Maybe they do I don't know. The many I know I seriously doubt they do. the default setting *does* allow non-store apps, so it doesn't matter whether they do or not. Heck you didn't even know OSX used the Apple store. It's funny that you mention that this blocking is there to stop malware. All of the Apple users I know think OSX or even IOS is impervious to malware. it mostly is. the weak point is the user, regardless of platform, who can be tricked into installing something bad, especially when users blindly enter in their admin password whenever asked. I have helped several of the OSX users I know with their computer problems. Software and hardware. I'm not totally ignorant but there is a lot I don't know as I don't use it. perhaps not totally, but definitely quite a bit. |
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