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On 2015-03-11 12:22 PM, T wrote:
On 03/11/2015 08:09 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-03-10 9:12 PM, T wrote: On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote: Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars. One must have their Quick Books! A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust accounting package designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap Quickbooks would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage. GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several problems: 1) doesn't support payroll 2) doesn't support inventory 3) no one is universally trained on it 4) accountants do not want to learn anything new So it's essentially as worthless as the rest of open-source? Hi Slimer, You would think that someone working on open source would be at a disadvantage to those working on it for pay. The tenancy I see is the opposite. The pay stuff lacks innovation, is full of bugs, doesn't care what the customer thinks, and will never fix anything. Most of the time, open source kicks commercial source's ass all over the map. But, not always. Two wonderful pay exceptions are Qoppa and Cim Cor. (Obviously not M$ or we would not be suffering with Frankenstein [w8] and its offspring.) I reported a bug to Red Hat yesterday. In less than one hour they had submitted a patch. Then told me I reported it to the wrong site! Check it out: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200583 Just try, just dream about trying, to report ANYTHING to M$ or even Apple or Oracle that they actually listen to or ever and I mean EVER respond to. But there are exceptions. By the way, what GNU Cash does do is RACK SOLID. Way, way better than Quicken. And they have a great forum. -T By the way, Qoppa's PDF Studio Pro is worth every penny of the 125 U$D price tag. I love the thing. That must be why Linux and its software is still plagued with bugs like shutting down a computer if a person dares to run a video at full-screen or losing the clock from the taskbar for no reason whatsoever. Their work ethic for fixing issues is outstanding. Meanwhile, I worked as a beta-tester for Windows Vista and 7. All of the bugs I submitted were fixed and I imagine that I wasn't the only one who had been heard as 7 turned out to be absolutely stellar. -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly |
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On 03/11/2015 11:24 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Now you should go to the Ubuntu and other linux forums and look at all the complaints about system failures. Linux isn't any more secure than any other operating system. Linux sitting at almost 2% of the market just means that they have security by obscurity. Hi Grey Cloud, Don't need to. I am the one that discovered the "cut a DVD and wipe your hard drive" problem. Red hat fixed it for me. Every OS has its problems. In the aggregate, M$'s offerings are real stinkers. But if you can't run your software on anything else, you are stuck with it. You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. Windows is closed. And M$ doesn't give a s--- about security. There is a reason why the International Space Station ripped out Windows. Here is a good read for you on Linux security: http://opensource.com/business/13/11...x-policy-guide Just try and hack an SE Linux system! And yes M$ gets hacked a lot because they have a lot of market share. They also get hacked a lot because they make it easy! Now if you want a Linux distro where EVERYTHING has been deliberately done WRONG (I use it for testing), try: http://sourceforge.jp/projects/sfnet_virtualhacking/ Also know as Damn Vulnerable Linux. In the end, the OS you use is the one that meets your needs. -T |
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On 2015-03-11 12:58 PM, T wrote:
On 03/11/2015 11:37 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-03-11 12:22 PM, T wrote: On 03/11/2015 08:09 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-03-10 9:12 PM, T wrote: On 03/10/2015 05:13 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:07:32 -0700, T wrote: Windows only exists because M$ won the application wars. One must have their Quick Books! A very insightful statement! I have always thought a robust accounting package designed for Linux, that could go head-to-head with the piece of crap Quickbooks would likely make a huge dent in Windows usage. GNU Cash is the closest I can find, but it has several problems: 1) doesn't support payroll 2) doesn't support inventory 3) no one is universally trained on it 4) accountants do not want to learn anything new So it's essentially as worthless as the rest of open-source? Hi Slimer, You would think that someone working on open source would be at a disadvantage to those working on it for pay. The tenancy I see is the opposite. The pay stuff lacks innovation, is full of bugs, doesn't care what the customer thinks, and will never fix anything. Most of the time, open source kicks commercial source's ass all over the map. But, not always. Two wonderful pay exceptions are Qoppa and Cim Cor. (Obviously not M$ or we would not be suffering with Frankenstein [w8] and its offspring.) I reported a bug to Red Hat yesterday. In less than one hour they had submitted a patch. Then told me I reported it to the wrong site! Check it out: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1200583 Just try, just dream about trying, to report ANYTHING to M$ or even Apple or Oracle that they actually listen to or ever and I mean EVER respond to. But there are exceptions. By the way, what GNU Cash does do is RACK SOLID. Way, way better than Quicken. And they have a great forum. -T By the way, Qoppa's PDF Studio Pro is worth every penny of the 125 U$D price tag. I love the thing. That must be why Linux and its software is still plagued with bugs like shutting down a computer if a person dares to run a video at full-screen or losing the clock from the taskbar for no reason whatsoever. Hi Slimer, I have never seen any of those issues. VLC runs videos perfectly. Never had a shutdown from a video in any screen mode. Never lost a task bar. Clock always works. Did you report any of them to their project's bugzillas? I wouldn't use Linux if someone paid me to do so nowadays. Clearly, I won't be trying to help the toiletware by submitting one of its major bugs every day of my life. W7 stellar? 1/2 as fast as XP and twice as unstable? It might not be as fast, but it's excellent on all recent hardware. Instability however, is another issue. Windows 7 is NOT unstable. That is a blatant lie on your part and makes the rest of what you have to say worthless. You have to go to 64 bit on W7 to get back the lost speed of 32 bit XP. And it harasses you with the UAC, which M$ has admitted does not good. Plus, you had to spend $$$$ upgrading perfectly good software to get it to work on Vista/W7. Oh dear! You had to upgrade your twenty year-old computer? And I thought that 486 of mine was going to last forever. snip garbage -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly |
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On 2015-03-11 12:58 PM, T wrote:
Changed my mind after reading what other lies you posted. I especially love the part about it rolling back all my work a week after I worked on it. (Tip: erase the restore points and create your own new ones.) A rollback doesn't touch your documents at all. That is yet another blatant lie. Did you miss the articles on W7 where M$ admitted they did not read testers comments? By all means, provide a link to a single one and make sure to quote the explanation as to _why_ they didn't. W7, when compared to Linux or Apple, is a toad. The only reason people use it is the lack of applications on other platforms. Another shameless lie. Mac OS X is by far the _slowest_ operating system I've ever used. On 4GB of RAM, Windows 7 is excellent. On 4GB of RAM, OS X is slow as molasses. I get superior performance on a Core i3 with 4GB RAM with Windows 7 running on NTFS than I could ever get on a Core i5 with 4GB RAM running OS X. Every single time I have to fix my parents' Mac Mini Core i5, I am ASTOUNDED by how slow it is. I have Linux server that run without a reboot for YEARS. A SERVER? Who the **** cares about your stupid server's uptime? Linux idiots have long boasted about how long they can go without restarting their computer as if everyone on the planet needed for their computer to run 24/7/365. It's such a ridiculous thing to consider when just about everyone CHOOSES to shut down every day even though they don't have to. I have to set up nightly reboot on Windows servers their quality is so bad. My brother-in-law handles Windows servers and he never restarts them. You're lying yet again. When I come across a Windows machine that is acting weird, the first thing I ask is when was the last time you rebooted? Then I tell them they should shutdown at night so as to get their daily required reboot. There is zero need for that in Apple or Linux. Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation, was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a crawl if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down and meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a magician either. Frankenstein (w8) is really bad on the reboot issue as it doesn't shutdown when it says shutdown (it suspends), so you do get a real reboot every night. I can't tell you how many Frankenstein computers I have fixed by pulling the power plug (then configuring it to actually shutdown). W7 is better for this because it actually shuts down. That was true for Windows 8. A shutdown option was indeed available but you needed to configure it in. However, everyone is running 8.1 since a while now and your statement is no longer correct. Like everything else you said, it's complete bull****. Just an aside, did you know that W7 and XP get broke into at a statistical dead heat? W7 is no more "secure" than W7, despite what M$'s marketing weasels say: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...k-to-viruses-t Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm. Which is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential. -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly |
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On 2015-03-11 4:49 PM, GreyCloud wrote: Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation, was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a crawl if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down and meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a magician either. It is just common sense to shutdown a home computer at the end of the day. Saves on the electric bill some. Even in the vms newsgroup they prefer admins to at least shutdown at a convenient time once a month. You never know what internal settings have changed over a long period of time and then latter regret not shutting down periodically. At a time when electricity bills are only rising, what's the point of leaving your computer on just to impress a few insignificant geeks with your uptime? Not _ONE_ Windows user will complain of the need to shut down at the end of the day or week. You _can_ just put it to sleep and keep your beloved up-time anyway and frankly, Windows 7/8 is much better with it than 9x was, but it's so pointless that it's ridiculous to even consider. Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm. Which is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential. The biggest problem these days are phishing attempts. Exactly. Whether the person is using Windows or Linux, they will not be protected from a phishing attempt. Some browser and e-mail providers might offer a small level of resistance to these kinds of attacks, but it's not at all dependent on the operating system. By the way, you might want to consider Thunderbird rather than Windows Live Mail for your newsgroup needs. The quoting must be getting on your nerves. Very much. I've got RedHat running under VMWare, and Knode fits the bill for just reading and responding in newsgroups. It does a fine job. Watching DVDs (commercial ones that people buy) won't run. I'd have to pay for VMWare Workstation to get that to run it seems, and has something to do with DCMA stuff. I've got VMWare Fusion running on the old mac and DVDs play back just fine for OpenSuse. I believe that it is blocked until you pay the fees for any Virtual Machine that I've tried. Even Oracles Virtual Box won't run them because it is free, along with the fact that Oracle won't cross the DCMA line either unless they can find a way for the user to pay. |
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On 2015-03-11 4:49 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation, was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a crawl if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down and meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a magician either. It is just common sense to shutdown a home computer at the end of the day. Saves on the electric bill some. Even in the vms newsgroup they prefer admins to at least shutdown at a convenient time once a month. You never know what internal settings have changed over a long period of time and then latter regret not shutting down periodically. At a time when electricity bills are only rising, what's the point of leaving your computer on just to impress a few insignificant geeks with your uptime? Not _ONE_ Windows user will complain of the need to shut down at the end of the day or week. You _can_ just put it to sleep and keep your beloved up-time anyway and frankly, Windows 7/8 is much better with it than 9x was, but it's so pointless that it's ridiculous to even consider. Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm. Which is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential. The biggest problem these days are phishing attempts. Exactly. Whether the person is using Windows or Linux, they will not be protected from a phishing attempt. Some browser and e-mail providers might offer a small level of resistance to these kinds of attacks, but it's not at all dependent on the operating system. By the way, you might want to consider Thunderbird rather than Windows Live Mail for your newsgroup needs. The quoting must be getting on your nerves. -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly |
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Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:43:56 -0600, "GreyCloud" wrote: You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. Windows is closed. And M$ doesn't give a s--- about security. There is a reason why the International Space Station ripped out Windows. The US Navy has converted all fleet ballistic missile and fast attack subs to run ALL systems on Linux. This was done for security and stability reasons. Of course, but it isn't your run of the mill distro either. It's been customized to suit their own needs. As NSA told the other vendors that if you want your operating system secure, then get rid of your browser and email program. OTW, get off the internet for security. I doubt that these FBM systems or fast attack subs are hooked up to the internet. It's the survivability of the os that counts in this instance and only costs the Navy the cost of modifying it to their needs, which is why super-computer vendors prefer linux... it save them a bundle of money not having to reinvent the wheel. It is the desktop environment that really stinks. |
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On 2015-03-11 5:57 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Slimer wrote: On 2015-03-11 4:49 PM, GreyCloud wrote: Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation, was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a crawl if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down and meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a magician either. It is just common sense to shutdown a home computer at the end of the day. Saves on the electric bill some. Even in the vms newsgroup they prefer admins to at least shutdown at a convenient time once a month. You never know what internal settings have changed over a long period of time and then latter regret not shutting down periodically. At a time when electricity bills are only rising, what's the point of leaving your computer on just to impress a few insignificant geeks with your uptime? Not _ONE_ Windows user will complain of the need to shut down at the end of the day or week. You _can_ just put it to sleep and keep your beloved up-time anyway and frankly, Windows 7/8 is much better with it than 9x was, but it's so pointless that it's ridiculous to even consider. Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm. Which is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential. The biggest problem these days are phishing attempts. Exactly. Whether the person is using Windows or Linux, they will not be protected from a phishing attempt. Some browser and e-mail providers might offer a small level of resistance to these kinds of attacks, but it's not at all dependent on the operating system. By the way, you might want to consider Thunderbird rather than Windows Live Mail for your newsgroup needs. The quoting must be getting on your nerves. Very much. I've got RedHat running under VMWare, and Knode fits the bill for just reading and responding in newsgroups. It does a fine job. Watching DVDs (commercial ones that people buy) won't run. I'd have to pay for VMWare Workstation to get that to run it seems, and has something to do with DCMA stuff. I've got VMWare Fusion running on the old mac and DVDs play back just fine for OpenSuse. I believe that it is blocked until you pay the fees for any Virtual Machine that I've tried. Even Oracles Virtual Box won't run them because it is free, along with the fact that Oracle won't cross the DCMA line either unless they can find a way for the user to pay. But why aren't you using Thunderbird for newsgroups? -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly |
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On 2015-03-11 6:02 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Stormin' Norman wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:43:56 -0600, "GreyCloud" wrote: You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. Windows is closed. And M$ doesn't give a s--- about security. There is a reason why the International Space Station ripped out Windows. The US Navy has converted all fleet ballistic missile and fast attack subs to run ALL systems on Linux. This was done for security and stability reasons. Of course, but it isn't your run of the mill distro either. It's been customized to suit their own needs. As NSA told the other vendors that if you want your operating system secure, then get rid of your browser and email program. OTW, get off the internet for security. I doubt that these FBM systems or fast attack subs are hooked up to the internet. It's the survivability of the os that counts in this instance and only costs the Navy the cost of modifying it to their needs, which is why super-computer vendors prefer linux... it save them a bundle of money not having to reinvent the wheel. It is the desktop environment that really stinks. "Stinks" is putting it lightly. It's worse than anything I've run in the 90s and I ran the first editions of both Windows 95 and 98 as well as Windows 3.1. -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly |
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Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-11 5:57 PM, GreyCloud wrote: Slimer wrote: On 2015-03-11 4:49 PM, GreyCloud wrote: Complete bull****. My parents' Mac Mini, under my own recommendation, was never shut down. I believed bull**** like yours for so long that I actually thought OS X could perform well for weeks or months without shutting down. Meanwhile, it becomes disgusting pig on day 2. Before that, I had a G5 iMac, G4 Powerbook and G3 iBook also slowed to a crawl if not shut down every day. My Windows 8 laptop is never shut down and meanwhile remains fast at all times. It's not because I'm a magician either. It is just common sense to shutdown a home computer at the end of the day. Saves on the electric bill some. Even in the vms newsgroup they prefer admins to at least shutdown at a convenient time once a month. You never know what internal settings have changed over a long period of time and then latter regret not shutting down periodically. At a time when electricity bills are only rising, what's the point of leaving your computer on just to impress a few insignificant geeks with your uptime? Not _ONE_ Windows user will complain of the need to shut down at the end of the day or week. You _can_ just put it to sleep and keep your beloved up-time anyway and frankly, Windows 7/8 is much better with it than 9x was, but it's so pointless that it's ridiculous to even consider. Every Windows OS can be infected if stupid users are at the helm. Which is more impacted and which is less is inconsequential. The biggest problem these days are phishing attempts. Exactly. Whether the person is using Windows or Linux, they will not be protected from a phishing attempt. Some browser and e-mail providers might offer a small level of resistance to these kinds of attacks, but it's not at all dependent on the operating system. By the way, you might want to consider Thunderbird rather than Windows Live Mail for your newsgroup needs. The quoting must be getting on your nerves. Very much. I've got RedHat running under VMWare, and Knode fits the bill for just reading and responding in newsgroups. It does a fine job. Watching DVDs (commercial ones that people buy) won't run. I'd have to pay for VMWare Workstation to get that to run it seems, and has something to do with DCMA stuff. I've got VMWare Fusion running on the old mac and DVDs play back just fine for OpenSuse. I believe that it is blocked until you pay the fees for any Virtual Machine that I've tried. Even Oracles Virtual Box won't run them because it is free, along with the fact that Oracle won't cross the DCMA line either unless they can find a way for the user to pay. But why aren't you using Thunderbird for newsgroups? Because I already have a proven newsreader under RedHat. I installed it last year with contract, and under VMWare player. Only thing it won't do is play DVDs, but then I just use windows for that. So I just use this one under RedHat. |
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Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 17:02:52 -0600, GreyCloud wrote: Stormin' Norman wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:43:56 -0600, "GreyCloud" wrote: You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. Windows is closed. And M$ doesn't give a s--- about security. There is a reason why the International Space Station ripped out Windows. The US Navy has converted all fleet ballistic missile and fast attack subs to run ALL systems on Linux. This was done for security and stability reasons. Of course, but it isn't your run of the mill distro either. It's been customized to suit their own needs. As NSA told the other vendors that if you want your operating system secure, then get rid of your browser and email program. OTW, get off the internet for security. I doubt that these FBM systems or fast attack subs are hooked up to the internet. It's the survivability of the os that counts in this instance and only costs the Navy the cost of modifying it to their needs, which is why super-computer vendors prefer linux... it save them a bundle of money not having to reinvent the wheel. It is the desktop environment that really stinks. Rather than engaging in speculation, here is an article about the IT infrastructure onboard one of the Navy's newest warships, the USS Zumwalt. http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-navys-newest- warship-is-powered-by-linux/ IMHO, Linux is in fact a ready-for-prime-time player. We are rapidly migrating my business over to Linux and away from Windows. Numerous businesses and government agencies have done this and many more are making preparations to do so. Linux by itself is pretty good. The X11 environment is another issue tho. It is slow to begin with, but good with networking. It is the distro makers that make the waters very muddy and the gui on each new release introduces new bugs or that they didn't think to test it out thoroughly. RedHat that I've got is one of the few that seems to be working correctly for most things. DOD will modify linux for their own needs and won't even be like what the regular vendors give. Besides, the fact that linux is free, makes it easier to fast-track a new development on these warships and lowers the cost tremendously. I'd have to see how the system is set up to see what changes were made. For business use, even the small VS SQL contract I have with one business, is asking for MS style services, so I write for that using Visual Studio. I couldn't even budge him towards OS X or Linux. He's never heard of linux, but knows that OS X isn't business oriented for his needs. It would have a lot easier to use MySql desktop environment, but he never heard of that one either. So it seems to appear an issue of trust on most businessmens agenda. |
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On 2015-03-12 12:41 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Stormin' Norman wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 17:02:52 -0600, GreyCloud wrote: Stormin' Norman wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:43:56 -0600, "GreyCloud" wrote: You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. Windows is closed. And M$ doesn't give a s--- about security. There is a reason why the International Space Station ripped out Windows. The US Navy has converted all fleet ballistic missile and fast attack subs to run ALL systems on Linux. This was done for security and stability reasons. Of course, but it isn't your run of the mill distro either. It's been customized to suit their own needs. As NSA told the other vendors that if you want your operating system secure, then get rid of your browser and email program. OTW, get off the internet for security. I doubt that these FBM systems or fast attack subs are hooked up to the internet. It's the survivability of the os that counts in this instance and only costs the Navy the cost of modifying it to their needs, which is why super-computer vendors prefer linux... it save them a bundle of money not having to reinvent the wheel. It is the desktop environment that really stinks. Rather than engaging in speculation, here is an article about the IT infrastructure onboard one of the Navy's newest warships, the USS Zumwalt. http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-navys-newest- warship-is-powered-by-linux/ IMHO, Linux is in fact a ready-for-prime-time player. We are rapidly migrating my business over to Linux and away from Windows. Numerous businesses and government agencies have done this and many more are making preparations to do so. Linux by itself is pretty good. The X11 environment is another issue tho. It is slow to begin with, but good with networking. It is the distro makers that make the waters very muddy and the gui on each new release introduces new bugs or that they didn't think to test it out thoroughly. RedHat that I've got is one of the few that seems to be working correctly for most things. DOD will modify linux for their own needs and won't even be like what the regular vendors give. Besides, the fact that linux is free, makes it easier to fast-track a new development on these warships and lowers the cost tremendously. I'd have to see how the system is set up to see what changes were made. For business use, even the small VS SQL contract I have with one business, is asking for MS style services, so I write for that using Visual Studio. I couldn't even budge him towards OS X or Linux. He's never heard of linux, but knows that OS X isn't business oriented for his needs. It would have a lot easier to use MySql desktop environment, but he never heard of that one either. So it seems to appear an issue of trust on most businessmens agenda. If Fedora and Red Hat indeed share code and whatever Red Hat version you're using is based on 20 or 21, then I suggest that there's a bug with Mozilla software on certain configurations. On my older i3, both Thunderbird and Firefox took a good ten to fourteen seconds to load whereas Windows and any other distribution didn't. This is on a clean install. Nobody could pinpoint what the problem was and it seemed to affect a good number of users. -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner Encrypt. - "Export-grade." Right. Not much of Winblows is "export grade"." - chrisv, demonstrating that he has no idea what "export-grade" means - "Both you and the POS that calls itself "GreyCloud" have *baselessly* accused advocates of "lying" about their kill-file usage." - chrisv, accusing someone who in his killfile of lying about his killfile - "For some time M$ mandated that IE be the only browser installed, and that it appear right on the desktop. OEM's had no choice in the matter - M$ insisted on control of the boot process." - chrisv, lying shamelessly - "Too bloated for the 386? X ran happily on lesser machines." - JEDIDIAH, lying shamelessly - "PnP hardware worked in Linux like it did in WinDOS." - JEDIDIAH, again lying shamelessly - "Are you still a homophobe or have you finally come out of the closet?" - Donald Miller, too dumb to know the difference between a homophobe and a homosexual. - "Idiot. That (referring to software Creative Labs provided with its Sound Blaster line) was needed because the MSDOS driver was too dumb to figure out the parameters on its own. That has absolutely nothing to do with "software which essentually configured the card"" - Peter Köhlmann, trying in vain to change the meaning of the word "configure." |
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:37:45 -0700, T wrote:
You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. I've heard that repeated many times over the years, and yet there have been several openSSL issues that have recently come to light, one or more of which is said to have existed for over a decade. Just because people *can* check the source doesn't necessarily mean that anyone does. |
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:37:45 -0700, T wrote: You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. I've heard that repeated many times over the years, and yet there have been several openSSL issues that have recently come to light, one or more of which is said to have existed for over a decade. Just because people *can* check the source doesn't necessarily mean that anyone does. Linux isn't bulletproof but it's more secure than Windows. If only it had a decent office suite. Alas, maybe some day. A lot of that I think has to do with Linux users being more tech savvy as a whole than Windows users as most users are compromised by being tricked into either clicking on something they shouldn't or by being persuaded to part with their money or both. -- A |
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On 03/12/2015 12:11 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 12:37:45 -0700, T wrote: You are deceiving yourself if you think Linux is not more secure. It is open for anyone to look at. No back doors. World wide code checkers. I've heard that repeated many times over the years, and yet there have been several openSSL issues that have recently come to light, one or more of which is said to have existed for over a decade. Just because people *can* check the source doesn't necessarily mean that anyone does. Hi Char, Of course. And when they are identified, they are fixed immediately. That is one of the reasons why Linux is far more secure (in this instance, a program running on Linux). You are completely missing the point. The Open SSL issues and the way they were handled is a triumph of how the system works. Remember the Blaster virus? The vulnerability was know and published for years. The jerk that wrote the Blaster virus simply looked up what vulnerabilities had not been patched and wrote a virus for it. The scoundrels at M$ didn't patch it until someone wrote a virus for it! There is a *HUGE* difference in the way these things handled by open source and by M$. M$ would have ignored it until they were embarrassed by it, as in the blaster virus. By the way, on Mozilla's or Red Hat's bugzilla, if you check of "security", the attention you get can only be described as OH HOLY CRAP!!! (I just put a bug in on how to seize Linux and they figured out it was a security bug on their own and oh did they respond!) In Linux, if you fix a bug and write a "respectful" well documents bug report (the the appropriate Bugzilla), you get it fixed. In M$ world, who do you even report it to? "How many copies did you buy?" And yes, there are exceptions. -T |
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