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Old January 30th 17, 01:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ann Dunham
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Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple decently-powered
computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which I concur.

Sure, tablets exist, chromebooks exist, Linux and Macs exist, but that's
not the question.

The question is related to the fact that if you go to any "computer" store
in the USA (Costco, Best Buy, Frys, whatever), and you buy a computer (not
a tablet or chromebook), you're not going to get Windows-anything-but-10 on
it by default.

I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world.
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Old January 30th 17, 02:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:55:59 -0000, Ann Dunham wrote:

Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple decently-powered
computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which I concur.

Sure, tablets exist, chromebooks exist, Linux and Macs exist, but that's
not the question.

The question is related to the fact that if you go to any "computer" store
in the USA (Costco, Best Buy, Frys, whatever), and you buy a computer (not
a tablet or chromebook), you're not going to get Windows-anything-but-10 on
it by default.

I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world.


In the UK, I wouldn't go to a "store", I'd buy online, it's cheaper. And AFAIK most online retailers will install anything you like, or nothing at all.

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Old January 30th 17, 02:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 29 Jan 2017, Ann Dunham
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10:

Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple
decently-powered computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which
I concur.


I concur. I have yet to see in any major commercial store for at least
the past year a Windows computer that *didn't* have Windows 10
installed.

A few refurbs persist that may come with Windows 8 or 7, but they are
increasing rare. Never XP any more.

Massachusetts USA.
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Old January 30th 17, 02:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Nil replied:

I concur. I have yet to see in any major commercial store for at least
the past year a Windows computer that *didn't* have Windows 10
installed.


Thanks. In the USA, it's basically Windows, period. Sure, there might be
really (really really really) old stock out there with an older windows,
but that's not really the spirit of the question.

Also online you can buy anything, where I'm sure you can buy a
twelve-fingered Vietnamese baby online, but the spirit of the question is
simply what's "normal" and "prevalent" in the world.

A few refurbs persist that may come with Windows 8 or 7, but they are
increasing rare. Never XP any more.


Right. In the USA, what's normal and prevalent is Windows (latest), which,
at this point, is Windows 10 (with a few leftover really really really old
Windows 7 or 8 lying around).

But what's it like in the rest of the world?
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Old January 30th 17, 02:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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James Wilkinson Sword replied:

In the UK, I wouldn't go to a "store", I'd buy online, it's cheaper. And AFAIK most online retailers will install anything you like, or nothing at all.


That's not the case in the USA.
In the USA, the OS is baked into the computer when it was born.

Of course, you can probably buy three-legged Chinese babies online, so, I'm
sure online you can get anything, but that's not the spirit of the
question.

If it's true that in the UK, the average Intel or AMD X86/X64
laptop/desktop does NOT come with Windows 10, that's interesting since
they're all Windows 10 in the USA.
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Old January 30th 17, 02:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2017-01-30, Nil wrote:
A few refurbs persist that may come with Windows 8 or 7, but they are
increasing rare. Never XP any more.


AFAIK Dell will still sell you a new PC with Windows 7 Pro. (It will come with
a Windows 10 Pro license and Dell downgrades the OS to Win7 at the factory.)

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Old January 30th 17, 02:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 01:43:13 -0000, Ann Dunham wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword replied:

In the UK, I wouldn't go to a "store", I'd buy online, it's cheaper. And AFAIK most online retailers will install anything you like, or nothing at all.


That's not the case in the USA.
In the USA, the OS is baked into the computer when it was born.

Of course, you can probably buy three-legged Chinese babies online, so, I'm
sure online you can get anything, but that's not the spirit of the
question.

If it's true that in the UK, the average Intel or AMD X86/X64
laptop/desktop does NOT come with Windows 10, that's interesting since
they're all Windows 10 in the USA.


USA company Newegg: first on the list, ships with Windows 7:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16883159488

If you look at the menu on the left here, you can choose any OS:
https://www.newegg.com/Desktop-Compu...Category/ID-10

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Old January 30th 17, 02:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30/01/2017 01:43, Ann Dunham wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword replied:

In the UK, I wouldn't go to a "store", I'd buy online, it's cheaper. And AFAIK most online retailers will install anything you like, or nothing at all.

That's not the case in the USA.
In the USA, the OS is baked into the computer when it was born.


Unless you buy from DELL and pay a premium!! See this picture on UK site:

DELL Custom Configuration http://i.imgur.com/9QJx9bH.png


US site should have the same custom configuration page. I can't access
it because DELL has a filtering for non us customers.



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Old January 30th 17, 03:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30/01/2017 00:55, Ann Dunham wrote:


I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world.


You say you are just asking but if you are thinking of buying a new
machine then you should never go back to Windows 7 or 8 or 8.1. Windows
10 is here and you have to get used to it. There is nothing wrong with
Windows 10. In fact people I work with seems to love it and the
productivity has gone up.



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Old January 30th 17, 03:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 01:58:52 -0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 30/01/2017 01:43, Ann Dunham wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword replied:

In the UK, I wouldn't go to a "store", I'd buy online, it's cheaper. And AFAIK most online retailers will install anything you like, or nothing at all.

That's not the case in the USA.
In the USA, the OS is baked into the computer when it was born.


Unless you buy from DELL and pay a premium!! See this picture on UK site:

DELL Custom Configuration http://i.imgur.com/9QJx9bH.png


US site should have the same custom configuration page. I can't access
it because DELL has a filtering for non us customers.


I can understand someone wanting no OS, or Linux, etc. But an older inferior Windows? What planet do you guys live on?

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Old January 30th 17, 03:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Good Guy replied:

You say you are just asking but if you are thinking of buying a new
machine then you should never go back to Windows 7 or 8 or 8.1. Windows
10 is here and you have to get used to it. There is nothing wrong with
Windows 10. In fact people I work with seems to love it and the
productivity has gone up.


The business model for USA computers is Windows.
That's your only choice in effect. Windows.

If you want Linux, you can add that separately.
But the computer comes with Windows.
Whether you like it or not.

So, I'm just asking what the business model is for the rest of the world's
store-bought computers.
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Old January 30th 17, 03:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Roger Blake replied:

AFAIK Dell will still sell you a new PC with Windows 7 Pro. (It will come with
a Windows 10 Pro license and Dell downgrades the OS to Win7 at the factory.)


Buying from Dell (or online) is a bit different from buying from a computer
store. I've never bought a computer online. I only buy from stores.

Even so, it's Windows or Windows so that's teh same thing since the
question really is about the business model and not the specific version of
Windows.

In the USA, you get a computer with Windows. Period.
You don't get any other choice at a store.

If you don't want Windows, you're welcome to delete it and put on whatever
you want (say Linux). But it comes baked in with Windows (generally the
latest version at the time of manufacture).

I was just asking if the business model is the same around the world where
all the non-Apple computers in the store have Windows baked in out of the
box.
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Old January 30th 17, 03:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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James Wilkinson Sword replied:

I can understand someone wanting no OS, or Linux, etc.
But an older inferior Windows?
What planet do you guys live on?


The spirit of the question was really about the business model of windows
being on all USA (non-Apple) computers.

It wasn't really about the exact version of Windows.

My experience buying computers at stores is that the computers come with
whatever Windows version was the "big thing" when the computer was made.

Nowadays, that's Windows 10, but the question is what do the rest of the
world use as their business model for the computers in the stores?
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Old January 30th 17, 04:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Ann Dunham" wrote

| The question is related to the fact that if you go to any "computer" store
| in the USA (Costco, Best Buy, Frys, whatever), and you buy a computer (not
| a tablet or chromebook), you're not going to get Windows-anything-but-10
on
| it by default.
|

Technically true, for the average person who
thinks Best Buy is the place to get a computer.
But I just built a new box with Win7, using a
perfectly legal disk bought online. And I saw a
2-page ad, I think it was in the NYT at Christmas,
in the business section, for Dell. One page was
Win10. One page was Win7. Dell is still targetting
Win7 at business because business in general is
avoiding Win10. Corporate IT people can't afford
to be running hundreds of beta boxes that update
themselves willy nilly to who-knows-what, and
only "enterprise" licensees are fully free to prevent
that.

It's a similar situation to Vista/7. XP disks were
still available for a long time. XP is probably still
available. The difference this time is that business
is so strongly resisting the Win10 services model
that Win7 has to be available at retail. I don't know
the details -- whether Dell is pressuring MS or
whether MS is discreetly giving Dell the OK. But
Dell is selling Win7 machines. I wouldn't be surprised
if other companies are doing the same.

Years ago Bill Gates said that he knew the
Chinese were "stealing" Windows, but he figured
he'd make them pay eventually, and in the meantime
he preferred that they steal Windows rather than
something else. The monopoly was paramount.
It's probably similar with Win7: They plan to
institute a services kiosk machine by hook or by
crook. They'll wait as long as it takes. In the
meantime, they don't want anyone getting used
to going without Windows.

I'm curious why the question is so important
to you.



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Old January 30th 17, 04:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana replied:

I'm curious why the question is so important
to you.


It's merely a business model question.
You actually answered it using a business model answer.

In Europe, do they use the same Windows or nothing business model?
 




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