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What OS do most non-USA computers come with nowadays?
On 2017-01-30, Ann Dunham wrote:
In the USA, you get a computer with Windows. Period. You don't get any other choice at a store. That may be true at the big-box stores but is not necessarily the case with small local computer shops building PCs from standard parts. A friend ran one for years and would install anything that people wanted, or sell the hardware with no OS if the customer wanted it that way. Most people of course wanted Windows but I know some PCs went out the door with other options. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Roger Blake replied:
That may be true at the big-box stores but is not necessarily the case with small local computer shops building PCs from standard parts. A friend ran one for years and would install anything that people wanted, or sell the hardware with no OS if the customer wanted it that way. Most people of course wanted Windows but I know some PCs went out the door with other options. At the big box stores, you will never get that option. I wonder if it's the same at European big box stores though? In the usa, in a big box store, it's Windows or Windows. You'll never get the choice of Linux for example. And you'll never get the choice of nothing (so you can DIY). Is it the same in box stores in Europe? |
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"Ann Dunham" wrote
| It's merely a business model question. | You actually answered it using a business model answer. | | In Europe, do they use the same Windows or nothing business model? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Windows or nothing? Do you mean 'do they pursue a monopoly' in Eurpope? I live in the US, so I don't know the European market. But MS have always made their profits by monopoly. And they have a worldwide monopoly on the only true productivity operating system. So I don't see why they'd do things differently in Europe than in the US. For most of the past, only MS Office and Windows made a profit. Everything else lost money. Both are monopoly products, which enables them to charge absurd prices for those products. Their real product was and is monopoly. (Yes, there's Libre Office and Linux, but the business world uses almost exclusively Windows and MS Office. And MS works hard to make it very difficult for them to switch.) Allegedly the MS cloud products are now turning a good profit, but I don't know the details. I wonder if anyone outside of MS *really* knows the details. They also make something over $1 billion/year by threatening Android phone makers with patent lawsuits. Nearly all of them pay protection money to Microsoft, even though, last I heard, MS hadn't even said which patents they claimed were being infringed. So Microsoft is making more on Linux than on most of their own products! http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...alties-2013-11 So.... Windows is primarily a monopoly product but MS has been branching out and showing themselves to be very resourceful. How will that affect the Windows monopoly? That's hard to say. Is there any reason that they might not find it sensible at some point to drop Windows and just run services over Linux kiosk devices? Maybe they will do that, if it works out for them. Bill Gates famously tried to talk Warren Buffet into buying MS stock with the argument that MS can't lose because they get a "Windows tax" on every computer sold. Some people may remember that back around 2000 MS was actually threatening white box builders, claiming that selling a box without an OS was tantamount to software theft because anyone buying an empty computer must surely be putting an illegal OS on it. They were claiming that while they were also making big money selling Windows disks at retail! The intention was just to prevent people using Linux without paying off MS. And later the cost of PCs dropped, so that white box builders went out of business, anyway. |
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As far as I know here in Australia, it is the same as US - new PC's
from stores here only supply Windows 10. |
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Nil wrote:
On 29 Jan 2017, Ann Dunham wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple decently-powered computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which I concur. I concur. I have yet to see in any major commercial store for at least the past year a Windows computer that *didn't* have Windows 10 installed. A few refurbs persist that may come with Windows 8 or 7, but they are increasing rare. Never XP any more. Massachusetts USA. The refurb PCs, if done right, actually have a "refurb OS" installed. It's a separate SKU of OEM Windows, just for refurbishers. As of November 2016 or so, that was the end of legal deployment of refurbisher Windows, for anything but Windows 10. Most of the stuff I was seeing advertised up to that date, was Win7 Pro Refurbisher. The wheels just seemed to fall off the refurbisher business model after November. All the SKUs on Walmart went invalid, and so on. (There is one big refurbisher, who uses Staples and Walmart and similar, to sell their refurbished products.) Will the refurbisher regroup, and deploy Win10 OEM ones ? Maybe. If there were drivers for some of those old hulks. It might cost them a new video card per box, and the profit margins might not be there, even for something as trivial as a stack of $40 video cards. Paul |
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Mayayana on 2017/01/29 wrote:
Technically true, for the average person who thinks Best Buy is the place to get a computer. If you don't follow the lemmings that buy pre-builts and instead build your own, you can put any OS on it (well, any OS that supports the hardware you used). If I'm building a Linux box, my hardware requirements are lower. If I'm building a Windows box, my hardware requirements are higher hence the box is more expensive. If I'm building a gaming box, it's a Windows box (due to the dearth of Linux video games) but it doesn't have to be a Win10 box. Just whatever the games demand. Typically I look at what I want the OS to run and then choose the OS, not ass backwards and choose the OS to then see what it will run. |
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In article , AnnDunham90210
@spammenot.gmail.com says... If it's true that in the UK, the average Intel or AMD X86/X64 laptop/desktop does NOT come with Windows 10, that's interesting since they're all Windows 10 in the USA It is the same here as the rest of the world, Windows 10 rules the roost. Check it out at the biggest (Ithink) UK national PC chain.. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/ |
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UnsteadyKen wrote:
In article , AnnDunham90210 @spammenot.gmail.com says... If it's true that in the UK, the average Intel or AMD X86/X64 laptop/desktop does NOT come with Windows 10, that's interesting since they're all Windows 10 in the USA It is the same here as the rest of the world, Windows 10 rules the roost. Check it out at the biggest (Ithink) UK national PC chain.. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/ But the same site also sells Chromebooks, whatever those are. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/chrome...l?s=chromebook Or, an Android Tablet (10.2" in this case). http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/comput...47260-pdt.html Chances are, Microsoft provides incentive money to make sure there is a Windows section at your local store. But if you want something else, it's hiding there. Paul |
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"VanguardLH" wrote
| If you don't follow the lemmings that buy pre-builts and instead build | your own, you can put any OS on it (well, any OS that supports the | hardware you used). | | If I'm building a Linux box, my hardware requirements are lower. If I'm | building a Windows box, my hardware requirements are higher hence the | box is more expensive. I wouldn't entirely disagree, but... hardware is so powerful these days that there's no need to get more powerful stuff for anything other than obsessive gaming. I just built a Win7 box for about $650, including a 6-3.5 MHz-core AMD CPU, an SSD and a regular hard disk. The graphics, audio and network are all on the board, for $55. The total included the overpriced Windows disk, which would have been the only savings with Linux. With a $100 CPU and a $55 board, there's not much that can be trimmed from that cost. Yet it's crazy powerful. |
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VanguardLH wrote:
If I'm building a gaming box, it's a Windows box (due to the dearth of Linux video games) It might all depend on whether you started with the Linux box, and then went looking for the games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_gaming If a title was developed using OpenGL as the graphics engine, there's a better possibility of it being ported to both environments. I can remember some game or games in Windows, where I was expected to find a copy of "opengl32.dll" on the computer, and throw that into the game folder :-) Paul |
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On 1/29/2017 7:55 PM, Ann Dunham wrote:
Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple decently-powered computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which I concur. Sure, tablets exist, chromebooks exist, Linux and Macs exist, but that's not the question. The question is related to the fact that if you go to any "computer" store in the USA (Costco, Best Buy, Frys, whatever), and you buy a computer (not a tablet or chromebook), you're not going to get Windows-anything-but-10 on it by default. I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world. In Canada, it's mostly Windows 10. The only time you can get something other than Win 10 installed is if you build your own custom computer. But typically, most OEM's as per their agreement with Microsoft will only install Windows 10 by default. Microsoft always expects new computers to get installed with their latest OS's. Yousuf Khan |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC), Ann Dunham
wrote: Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple decently-powered computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which I concur. Sure, tablets exist, chromebooks exist, Linux and Macs exist, but that's not the question. The question is related to the fact that if you go to any "computer" store in the USA (Costco, Best Buy, Frys, whatever), and you buy a computer (not a tablet or chromebook), you're not going to get Windows-anything-but-10 on it by default. I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world. It's basically the same here in the UK. All PC from retail outlets come with W10 installed. Most of the online suppliers push W10 as well. Some offer to supply other OS versions but usually charge more because somebody has to do a bit of work. Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
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Same situation in germany. Linux is a bit more used here than in the
US. On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:55:59 +0000 (UTC), Ann Dunham wrote: Someone mentioned on the XP ng that all new non-Apple decently-powered computers come with Windows 10 in the USA, which I concur. Sure, tablets exist, chromebooks exist, Linux and Macs exist, but that's not the question. The question is related to the fact that if you go to any "computer" store in the USA (Costco, Best Buy, Frys, whatever), and you buy a computer (not a tablet or chromebook), you're not going to get Windows-anything-but-10 on it by default. I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world. |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 02:08:22 +0000, Good Guy
wrote: On 30/01/2017 00:55, Ann Dunham wrote: I'm just asking whether that's the same situation in the rest of the world. You say you are just asking but if you are thinking of buying a new machine then you should never go back to Windows 7 or 8 or 8.1. Windows 10 is here and you have to get used to it. There is nothing wrong with Windows 10. In fact people I work with seems to love it and the productivity has gone up. I upgraded to W10 to make sure that the software that I write and sell worked OK. All the software I produce worked OK. While W10 was still loaded I ran a copy of my favourite game and found it would not work. The game is Age of Mythology, the Titans expansion. Apparently it's a driver problem that Microsoft has not fixed despite the game being from Microsoft Game Studios. Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
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On 1/29/2017 11:11 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ann Dunham" wrote | It's merely a business model question. | You actually answered it using a business model answer. | | In Europe, do they use the same Windows or nothing business model? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Windows or nothing? Do you mean 'do they pursue a monopoly' in Eurpope? I live in the US, so I don't know the European market. But MS have always made their profits by monopoly. And they have a worldwide monopoly on the only true productivity operating system. So I don't see why they'd do things differently in Europe than in the US. For most of the past, only MS Office and Windows made a profit. Everything else lost money. Both are monopoly products, which enables them to charge absurd prices for those products. Their real product was and is monopoly. (Yes, there's Libre Office and Linux, but the business world uses almost exclusively Windows and MS Office. And MS works hard to make it very difficult for them to switch.) I don't think I would agree that the cost of a Windows license is absurd. People pay hundreds of dollars for licenses for software like Photoshop and others. Is $120 an absurd price for the OS that you need to run all of the other software on? I don't think so. The cost of MS Office, that's another story. Allegedly the MS cloud products are now turning a good profit, but I don't know the details. I wonder if anyone outside of MS *really* knows the details. They also make something over $1 billion/year by threatening Android phone makers with patent lawsuits. Nearly all of them pay protection money to Microsoft, even though, last I heard, MS hadn't even said which patents they claimed were being infringed. So Microsoft is making more on Linux than on most of their own products! http://www.businessinsider.com/micro...alties-2013-11 So.... Windows is primarily a monopoly product but MS has been branching out and showing themselves to be very resourceful. How will that affect the Windows monopoly? That's hard to say. Is there any reason that they might not find it sensible at some point to drop Windows and just run services over Linux kiosk devices? Maybe they will do that, if it works out for them. Bill Gates famously tried to talk Warren Buffet into buying MS stock with the argument that MS can't lose because they get a "Windows tax" on every computer sold. Some people may remember that back around 2000 MS was actually threatening white box builders, claiming that selling a box without an OS was tantamount to software theft because anyone buying an empty computer must surely be putting an illegal OS on it. They were claiming that while they were also making big money selling Windows disks at retail! The intention was just to prevent people using Linux without paying off MS. And later the cost of PCs dropped, so that white box builders went out of business, anyway. |
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