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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 3/23/2017 9:24 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2017-03-23, PAS wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. 1. The vehicle was stopped when the spill occurred. 2. The court ruled McDonalds was shirking their own responsibilities. Just made a fresh pot of coffee with Proctor Silex 12 cup coffee maker and poured a cup and tested it wit an accurate Photo thermometer and it was 139 degrees F. Just right for drinking, 180-190 is way way too hot, . Mcdonalds are definitely in the wrong. The End. Rene |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:45:12 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-03-23 10:26, Jolly Roger wrote: Nope. The car wasn't moving when she put the cup between her legs to remove the lid in order to add creamer, etc. Good grief. Do you mean that McDonald's didn't add that before handing her the coffee? I guess one reason that we prefer Timmie's is that they add the cream/milk/sugar before they hand you the coffee. And while it's hot, it's never too hot. I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also pre-condiment your burger? :-) |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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nospam wrote: In article , Alrescha wrote: you continue to ignore the over 700 other patrons who were seriously burned Yes, I ignore them, because they are a red herring. What part of "made with boiling water" do you fail to understand? It is not a surprise that a few dozen people a year manage to burn themseves. the issue was not the temperature of the coffee. the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact and that hundreds of people had been injured, some by mcdonald's own employees (something which you keep ignoring), at the rate of more than one per week over a period of ten years, all of this by mcdonald's own testimony. what really did them in was that mcdonald's testified that they had no interest in trying to reduce the number of injuries, calling it 'statistically insignificant'. in short, they didn't give a ****, and *that* is why they lost. the number of galaxy note 7s that caught fire was also 'statistically insignificant' (100 or so, out of a couple of million sold), which caused not one, but *two* recalls and the ultimate cancelation of the product. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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Tim Streater wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: On 2017-03-23 06:05, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: On 2017-03-22 18:14, Alrescha wrote: As for our electrocution victim, I do not know what UK chargers look like, but in the US if the charger was in the tub, so was the end of the extension cord. Death was inevitable regardless of manufacturer. I think your surmise is correct about how it happened is correct. Of course, the other factor is that the UK apparently doesn't require GFI receptacles in bathrooms. Sockets in bathroom in the UK are *forbidden*. End of story. Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Makes sense, considering that they use 220/240V. FTAOD, I should add that transformer-isolated shaver sockets are permitted, but they only allow a tiny power draw and will only be useable by such as shavers, or chargers for shavers or (as in my case) electric toothbrushes. They are only 2-pin, use a different type of (moulded only) plug, and are typically switchable 120/240V. -- "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James Nicoll, rasfw |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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PAS wrote: On 3/23/2017 10:06 AM, PAS wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. To clarify: she was not driving the car, she was a passenger. The driver drove off while she held the cup of coffee between her legs. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On 2017-03-23 03:48:41 +0000, nospam said:
the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact Have you never been to a real restaurant? They regularly serve food that can cause burns on contact. e.g.: The local pizza shop pops that pie out of its 450F oven, cuts four lines into it and slides it onto your table before the cheese stops bubbling. i.e.: 212F The plate of nachos made in that same oven, edges of the chips smoking, and served on a plate that is too hot to be touched by human hands. That crazy portable skillet at the fajita place where the whole skillet, meat and all is brought out to your table still smoking and sizzling. - not to mention anything fresh out of a fryolater - I have had fries that were untouchable. The issue was that this woman badly burned herself, and in their sympathy a large number of people turned off their brains and concluded that somehow the big mean company was at fault and needed to be punished. McD's still serves their coffee at the same temperature, as does Starbucks. If temperature was an issue, this would not be the case. A. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 3/23/2017 9:24 AM, Jolly Roger wrote: On 2017-03-23, PAS wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. 1. The vehicle was stopped when the spill occurred. 2. The court ruled McDonalds was shirking their own responsibilities. Just made a fresh pot of coffee with Proctor Silex 12 cup coffee maker and poured a cup and tested it wit an accurate Photo thermometer and it was 139 degrees F. Just right for drinking, 180-190 is way way too hot, . Mcdonalds are definitely in the wrong. The End. Rene |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
In article , PAS wrote:
mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. she didn't do that. the vehicle was parked and she was the passenger. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
In article , Alrescha
wrote: the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact Have you never been to a real restaurant? They regularly serve food that can cause burns on contact. e.g.: no they don't. you also snipped the part where mcdonald's ignored over 700 injuries. they didn't give a ****. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
On 2017-03-23 16:53:09 +0000, nospam said:
In article , Alrescha wrote: the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact Have you never been to a real restaurant? They regularly serve food that can cause burns on contact. e.g.: no they don't. They do, and I gave you several examples. Why do you not address them? you also snipped the part where mcdonald's ignored over 700 injuries. In a country where tens of thousands of people die from accidents every year, the 70 people who burn themselves with coffee should be ignored. Completely. they didn't give a ****. And we get to the heart of the matter. McDonald's was punished for being insenstive - not because they did anything wrong. The bulk of the damages were punitive, and unreleated to the case. The judge struck down 80% of those, probably because he knew it was irrational madness. A. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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PAS wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
In article , Alrescha
wrote: the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact Have you never been to a real restaurant? They regularly serve food that can cause burns on contact. e.g.: no they don't. They do, and I gave you several examples. Why do you not address them? because the temperature is not the issue. you also snipped the part where mcdonald's ignored over 700 injuries. In a country where tens of thousands of people die from accidents every year, the 70 people who burn themselves with coffee should be ignored. Completely. nonsense. you keep ignoring that some of those burns were caused by mcdonald's own employees and some were children and babies. burns were occurring at a rate of more than one per week, and mcdonald's, by their own admission, had no interest in reducing that. they simply didn't give a ****. it is unacceptable for any business to disregard the safety and well being of their customers. around 100 galaxy note 7 fires occurred, causing two recalls and an ultimate cancelation of the product. numerous products are recalled for safety related issues: https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/Recalls-by-Product/ they didn't give a ****. And we get to the heart of the matter. McDonald's was punished for being insenstive - not because they did anything wrong. nope. they were punished for a willful reckless disregard for the safety of their customers. The bulk of the damages were punitive, and unreleated to the case. The judge struck down 80% of those, probably because he knew it was irrational madness. the damages were related and the judge didn't strike down anything. |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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Jolly Roger wrote: On 2017-03-23, PAS wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. 1. The vehicle was stopped when the spill occurred. 2. The court ruled McDonalds was shirking their own responsibilities. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:45:12 -0400, Wolf K wrote: On 2017-03-23 10:26, Jolly Roger wrote: Nope. The car wasn't moving when she put the cup between her legs to remove the lid in order to add creamer, etc. Good grief. Do you mean that McDonald's didn't add that before handing her the coffee? I guess one reason that we prefer Timmie's is that they add the cream/milk/sugar before they hand you the coffee. And while it's hot, it's never too hot. I guess it comes down to expectations and what you're used to, but I'd be quite put off if I ordered coffee and they tried to add sugar or creamer before they handed me the coffee. Good grief, do they also pre-condiment your burger? :-) |
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Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
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nospam wrote: In article , PAS wrote: mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. she didn't do that. the vehicle was parked and she was the passenger. |
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