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  #16  
Old August 1st 18, 02:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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Carlos E R writes:
On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote:
nospam wrote:


[No idea what news:alt.privacy.anon-server has to do with the
topic; dropped.]

[...]

quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web
apps (mainly google) are winning out over ms office.


Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which
is particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny
thing was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the
teachers wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the
students did the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had
a bit of a problem because the formatting often is not accurately
converted.


Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so
MS was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS
and demand MS products later.


I don't know how [1] is reliable as a source, but I'm going to
quote it anyway.

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China,
people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though,"
Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as
long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours.
They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out
how to collect sometime in the next decade."

[1] How Piracy Opens Doors for Windows // Los Angeles Times.
URI: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr...i-micropiracy9

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  #17  
Old August 1st 18, 02:30 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 14:14, Wolf K wrote:
The desktop is becoming a business machine. Plus a niche product for a
handful of hobbyists. Gamers have already moved to the laptop, which
will also become a business product.



I think that is largely true. Also a hobbyists machine. I wouldnt want
to do 3D CAD on a tablet..

I would say the desktop is by and large for creating content.

The phones and tablets by and large for consuming content.

But the boundary is very soft.



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Old August 1st 18, 02:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.os.linux, alt.privacy.anon-server,comp.os.linux.misc
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

But companies are just rubbish really. I mean would you believe a=20
company that prints from WORD onto letterhead PAPER, scans the result=20
and emails it as a PDF?


Yeah, better let the recipient's fax machine do the PDF conversion.

  #19  
Old August 1st 18, 02:56 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

| Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
| isn't water-resistant.
|
|
| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|

These days I don't think that aspect is very relevant.
Office 365 is installed locally. Adobe Creative Suite is
installed locally. They're far too complex to actually be
"cloud based". But they're both rental software and
both claim the right to call home, under the pretense
that they're services. They pretend to be cloud-based.
Both also require that you make repeat payments to
keep using them. Aside from offering some online storage,
the service designation and cloudiness have no
functional aspect. It's just a redefinition to justify
spyware and rental fees. It's marketing and commerical
propaganda, aimed at changing customer expectations.
It's as though GM or Ford put a meter in your car and
told you they now charge per mile. If you're sucker enough
to accept that then they'll collect payments from you.

And they are fooling most of the people most of the time.
Adobe's scam has been very sucessful. As I understand it,
you can actually use CS disconnected as long as you let
it call home every 90 days or so. On the other hand, it
defaults to storing your work on their server and not
locally. So for anyone who's not moderately tech savvy
it does seem to be running on the cloud: Stop paying
them and you lose all your files! As the old saying goes,
a sucker whips out his credit card every minute.

Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?
You may allow Linux to auto-update and auto-install
libraries. You may allow Ubuntu adware, or whatever their
latest monstrosity is. I wouldn't. That's one of the many
reasons I'm not using Linux. The others being that it's
perennially unfinished, lacks complete GUI support,
lacks docs, and sorely lacks software. I don't know what
the Linux designers are thinking. They're increasingly
designing "for dummies" with an unrealistic dream that
eventually Linux will take over the desktop, but only
so long as your definition of a desktop is a console
window and emacs. One can't get anything done without
opening console windows or digging into config files
buried in /etc. Conversely, auto-updating, crippling root,
limiting installer options... those are all for-dummies
designs that only make things more difficult for
experienced people. It's becoming the worst of both
worlds.
What the Linux fans never seem to get is that people
don't use GUIs because they're dumb. They use GUIs
because GUIs are much easier and more functional than
commandline. Ironically, the Linux paradigm is not so
far from the Apple paradigm these days, positing two
groups: The techies who make things work and the
detestable, dumb "users" who shouldn't be allowed to
touch the controls.

As with Office 365 and CS, MS DaaS will be installed
locally. It just won't be controllable by the person who
pays for it. That's very different from WinXP or 7, or
what came before, which can be run without the dubious
dripfeed of patches that people have got used to allowing,
and without the spyware. With pre-10, your computer
is your property. (Yes, the software is technically "licensed",
but it's yours to use as you see fit for as long as you like.)
I run both XP and 7. I don't allow either to call home. Nor
do I allow software on either to call out without permission.
Nor do I allow destabilizing dripfeed updates of who-knows-what.
I'm using a computer with installed software. Windows 10
users are using a device infested with spyware and have
been unofficially conscripted as unpaid beta testers for
the endless updates.

I'd say that's a very big difference, even though it's
not really a difference in the basic software or device.
If Win10 gets officially designated DaaS it will be a way
for Microsoft to take even more control. It will then be
like a shopping mall: You're free to be there, but only
for the purposes of buying stuff. You're subject to mall
rules and mall security.

In other words, the service is mainly in the legal
definitions and the rights you give up to use the product.

I see what you mean about tablets and computer
phones. But I think of those as semi-kiosk systems,
aimed mainly at "consumer services" -- devices for buying
stuff, looking at stuff you want to buy, or telling your
friends about stuff you just bought... as well as diddling
Facebook. PCs vs computer phones or tablets are two
very different things. They share having a CPU and
connecting to the Internet. But the former is a tool while
the latter are mainly commercial kiosk devices. But even
those are not actually services. You have a right to
control the software on your phone, if only you could
get to it.

Microsoft are getting away with running Windows 10 as
spyware. They're gradually redefining it as a service and
in doing so they define you as using your computer "on
their property". If you view all of these things as just
services then you're defining yourself as a "consumer"
on someone else's property. Which means you *don't*
define yourself as a citizen. Cows are consumers. They
eat grass and the cowherds then extract payment.
The cows are happy because all they really care about
is eating grass. But cows cannot be citizens. Do you really
want to be a cow?


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Old August 1st 18, 03:31 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is?
Or smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's
all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded
centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT
permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care.


Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service. I use Slackware and there are no requirements by anyone to
run it.
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Old August 1st 18, 03:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Anssi Saari wrote:
mike writes:

MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.


Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise).


With a stack of cash ($131B) that goes half way to the
moon, how will that happen exactly ?

They can **** it away buying other companies,
and if they're to have a demise, that will be
the preferred route. Buy a company for X billion,
write off X-1 billion assets the next year.

If they use their cash reserve purely for R&D,
and dump the excess employees, they could last
a long time and produce nothing.

Even selling licenses to Android for Microsoft
patents, they could retire and drink rum on
the beach all day.

Paul
  #22  
Old August 1st 18, 03:40 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 14:56, Mayayana wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

| Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
| isn't water-resistant.
|
|
| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|
...
Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?


A service is something that does something useful.
So a maid who makes the bed is a service.

Linuxs does something useful. It is a service as much as it is software.
It is perhaps a service enabled by software much as the bedmaking is a
service enabled by a maid.

The ley element to a service is you dontown it . I dont own linux. Its
owned by the people who nmaitina it, if its owned by anybody


You may allow Linux to auto-update and auto-install
libraries. You may allow Ubuntu adware, or whatever their
latest monstrosity is. I wouldn't. That's one of the many
reasons I'm not using Linux. The others being that it's
perennially unfinished, lacks complete GUI support,
lacks docs, and sorely lacks software. I don't know what
the Linux designers are thinking. They're increasingly
designing "for dummies" with an unrealistic dream that
eventually Linux will take over the desktop, but only
so long as your definition of a desktop is a console
window and emacs. One can't get anything done without
opening console windows or digging into config files
buried in /etc. Conversely, auto-updating, crippling root,
limiting installer options... those are all for-dummies
designs that only make things more difficult for
experienced people. It's becoming the worst of both
worlds.


Oh dear oh dear. I remember when lunix was like that. In 1999.

What the Linux fans never seem to get is that people
don't use GUIs because they're dumb. They use GUIs
because GUIs are much easier and more functional than
commandline.


Actually in many cases they are not, but let's not go there.

Ironically, the Linux paradigm is not so
far from the Apple paradigm these days, positing two
groups: The techies who make things work and the
detestable, dumb "users" who shouldn't be allowed to
touch the controls.


Oh dear

As with Office 365 and CS, MS DaaS will be installed
locally. It just won't be controllable by the person who
pays for it. That's very different from WinXP or 7, or
what came before, which can be run without the dubious
dripfeed of patches that people have got used to allowing,
and without the spyware. With pre-10, your computer
is your property. (Yes, the software is technically "licensed",
but it's yours to use as you see fit for as long as you like.)
I run both XP and 7. I don't allow either to call home. Nor
do I allow software on either to call out without permission.
Nor do I allow destabilizing dripfeed updates of who-knows-what.
I'm using a computer with installed software. Windows 10
users are using a device infested with spyware and have
been unofficially conscripted as unpaid beta testers for
the endless updates.

I'd say that's a very big difference, even though it's
not really a difference in the basic software or device.
If Win10 gets officially designated DaaS it will be a way
for Microsoft to take even more control. It will then be
like a shopping mall: You're free to be there, but only
for the purposes of buying stuff. You're subject to mall
rules and mall security.

In other words, the service is mainly in the legal
definitions and the rights you give up to use the product.

I see what you mean about tablets and computer
phones. But I think of those as semi-kiosk systems,
aimed mainly at "consumer services" -- devices for buying
stuff, looking at stuff you want to buy, or telling your
friends about stuff you just bought... as well as diddling
Facebook. PCs vs computer phones or tablets are two
very different things. They share having a CPU and
connecting to the Internet. But the former is a tool while
the latter are mainly commercial kiosk devices. But even
those are not actually services. You have a right to
control the software on your phone, if only you could
get to it.

Microsoft are getting away with running Windows 10 as
spyware. They're gradually redefining it as a service and
in doing so they define you as using your computer "on
their property". If you view all of these things as just
services then you're defining yourself as a "consumer"
on someone else's property. Which means you *don't*
define yourself as a citizen. Cows are consumers. They
eat grass and the cowherds then extract payment.
The cows are happy because all they really care about
is eating grass. But cows cannot be citizens. Do you really
want to be a cow?



Oh dear.


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Old August 1st 18, 03:42 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote:
After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Â*Â*Â* Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Â*Â* Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT
permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care.


Â*Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service.



Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else.


I use Slackware and there are no requirements by anyone to run
it.



I am not sure I even understand that statement let alone its relevance?


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Old August 1st 18, 03:56 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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snip
Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?
You may allow Linux to auto-update and auto-install
libraries. You may allow Ubuntu adware, or whatever their
latest monstrosity is. I wouldn't. That's one of the many
reasons I'm not using Linux. The others being that it's
perennially unfinished, lacks complete GUI support,
lacks docs, and sorely lacks software. I don't know what
the Linux designers are thinking. They're increasingly
designing "for dummies" with an unrealistic dream that
eventually Linux will take over the desktop, but only
so long as your definition of a desktop is a console
window and emacs. One can't get anything done without
opening console windows or digging into config files
buried in /etc. Conversely, auto-updating, crippling root,
limiting installer options... those are all for-dummies
designs that only make things more difficult for
experienced people. It's becoming the worst of both
worlds.
What the Linux fans never seem to get is that people
don't use GUIs because they're dumb. They use GUIs
because GUIs are much easier and more functional than
commandline. Ironically, the Linux paradigm is not so
far from the Apple paradigm these days, positing two
groups: The techies who make things work and the
detestable, dumb "users" who shouldn't be allowed to
touch the controls.

This is really a very disappointing explanation of the various Linux
systems. I am almost certain that you have never done more than
installed a Linux GUI system, played with it for a short time,
condemned it in you mind, and uninstalled it. Debian alone has 32,000+
free software programs available. Those who have converted off of
Windows have not found Linux to restrict their needs and uses for a
computer. I would never use Ubumtoo because of the spying it does.
The other Linux distributions make it easy to install some good
programs right there in their interface. I am a software engineer and
hated to have to re-learn how to use the Linux comandline. But there
were many places on the web that explained how to install programs
using the Linux comandline that were not in the GUI install interface.
Most people would probably not need to install something from another
deb lib anyway. A result of having to learn a couple of basic
commandline entries, I eventually ended up running a Debian commandline
server that runs a remailer and bitmessage server.
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Old August 1st 18, 04:16 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The Natural Philosopher explained :
On 01/08/18 14:56, Mayayana wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

| Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
| isn't water-resistant.
|
|
| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook
is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its
free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded
centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT
permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|
...
Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?


A service is something that does something useful.
So a maid who makes the bed is a service.

Linuxs does something useful. It is a service as much as it is
software. It is perhaps a service enabled by software much as the
bedmaking is a service enabled by a maid.

My lawn mower would be a service with this explanation.

Linux is NOT a service. It is an OS that runs on my personally owned
machine. Linux on my machine is my property. A service is something
that is external. A service is provided by someone or something that
is not owned by me. A service does something for me and then leaves
until I call for it to serve me again. When I buy a computer, I buy
the hardware and software. I don't have to upate it, I can block MS
altogether, I don't have to connect it to the internet (except to
initially initialize the windows system), I don't have to do anything
per MS snoopy demands to make updates or otherwise connect my computer
to the web.

Only when MS starts selling their OS as a service do I have to
connect to the internet so that MS can determine if I have forked over
mega dollars to continue to use their service (OS).
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Old August 1st 18, 04:20 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The Natural Philosopher wrote on 8/1/2018 :
On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote:
After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| *** Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown
article.
|

** Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook
is? Or smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's
all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded
centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and
NOT permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care.


*Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service.



Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else.

Voluntarism and/or hobby pursuits does not equal a service. A service
always has dollar marks assigned to it.


I use Slackware and there are no requirements by anyone to run it.



I am not sure I even understand that statement let alone its
relevance?

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Old August 1st 18, 04:43 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The Natural Philosopher wrote on 8/1/2018 :

On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote:
After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.

I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown
article.


Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is Or smartphone as a service, android

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care.

Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a service.



Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else.

Voluntarism and/or hobby pursuits does not equal a service. A service always has dollar marks assigned to it.

Yes. The creators of Linux OS's are not doing their work with a mind to produce a service for others, but they are doing it out of their technical interest in producing and programming software. It may also include that ego thing, with those that identify themselves, although that is not necessarily a bad thing.

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Old August 1st 18, 04:55 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|

These days I don't think that aspect is very relevant.
Office 365 is installed locally. Adobe Creative Suite is
installed locally. They're far too complex to actually be
"cloud based". But they're both rental software and
both claim the right to call home, under the pretense
that they're services. They pretend to be cloud-based.
Both also require that you make repeat payments to
keep using them.


as opposed to a larger one-time payment to keep using them, which many
people can't afford.

$10/mo for the full photoshop (not elements) and lightroom is a *lot*
more palatable than ~$1000 every 2-3 years.

Aside from offering some online storage,
the service designation and cloudiness have no
functional aspect. It's just a redefinition to justify
spyware and rental fees. It's marketing and commerical
propaganda, aimed at changing customer expectations.


nonsense.

It's as though GM or Ford put a meter in your car and
told you they now charge per mile. If you're sucker enough
to accept that then they'll collect payments from you.


cars require ongoing fuel purchases every 200-300 miles or they stop
working.

they also require periodic maintenance (often done at the dealer, at
least for the first few years), yearly emissions inspections, insurance
payments, etc. or they stop working or are no longer legal to operate
on public roads.

not a good comparison.

And they are fooling most of the people most of the time.
Adobe's scam has been very sucessful. As I understand it,


except that you don't understand it.

you can actually use CS disconnected as long as you let
it call home every 90 days or so.


only to check if you paid.

it's also a monthly check for those who pay monthly. for those who pay
yearly (which has a discount), it checks less often.

if you no longer are paying, it stops working.

photos are local and can be accessed by any software that can read
jpeg, tiff, raw or photoshop format (which is published).

lightroom continues to be able to access catalogues and many other
features, you just can't modify the images.

On the other hand, it
defaults to storing your work on their server and not
locally. So for anyone who's not moderately tech savvy
it does seem to be running on the cloud: Stop paying
them and you lose all your files!


absolutely wrong and you've been told that many, many times.

everything is local unless the *user* decides to put it in the cloud.
it's not a requirement.

As the old saying goes,
a sucker whips out his credit card every minute.


as the old saying goes, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking
about.

Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?
You may allow Linux to auto-update and auto-install
libraries. You may allow Ubuntu adware, or whatever their
latest monstrosity is. I wouldn't. That's one of the many
reasons I'm not using Linux. The others being that it's
perennially unfinished, lacks complete GUI support,
lacks docs, and sorely lacks software. I don't know what
the Linux designers are thinking. They're increasingly
designing "for dummies" with an unrealistic dream that
eventually Linux will take over the desktop, but only
so long as your definition of a desktop is a console
window and emacs. One can't get anything done without
opening console windows or digging into config files
buried in /etc. Conversely, auto-updating, crippling root,
limiting installer options... those are all for-dummies
designs that only make things more difficult for
experienced people. It's becoming the worst of both
worlds.


add linux to the list of things you don't understand.



I see what you mean about tablets and computer
phones. But I think of those as semi-kiosk systems,
aimed mainly at "consumer services" -- devices for buying
stuff, looking at stuff you want to buy, or telling your
friends about stuff you just bought... as well as diddling
Facebook.


yet another thing you don't understand.

PCs vs computer phones or tablets are two
very different things. They share having a CPU and
connecting to the Internet.


that part is true.

But the former is a tool while
the latter are mainly commercial kiosk devices.


that part is not true.

But even
those are not actually services. You have a right to
control the software on your phone, if only you could
get to it.


nothing prevents anyone from 'controlling' the software on a phone or
tablet.

the methods may be a little different, that's all.
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Old August 1st 18, 04:56 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 16:20, Anonymous wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote on 8/1/2018 :
On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote:
After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Â*Â*Â* Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Â*Â* Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is?
Or smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's
all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded
centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and
NOT permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care.

Â*Â*Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service.



Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else.

Voluntarism and/or hobby pursuits does not equal a service.Â* A service
always has dollar marks assigned to it.


Golly. What a strange attitude.

And who do you think actually maintains Linux? Volunteer and hobbyists?
Are you mad? IBM, RedHat,Google - all have paid employees. And there
are many many more paid employees. All supporting Linux.




I use Slackware and there are no requirements by anyone to run it.



I am not sure I even understand that statement let alone its relevance?



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Old August 1st 18, 05:02 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 16:43, Nomen Nescio wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote on 8/1/2018 :

On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote:
After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story and made
up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The author says
straight out that MS are replacing Win10 with a rental
you'll have no control over. There's no basis at all
for that statement that I can find.

I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown
article.


Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably isn't
water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a
chromebook is Or smartphone as a service, android

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its
free...It's all about where the line is drawn between stuff
that is upgraded centrally and installed on your computer or
upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently stored on your
computer, and if you actually care.

Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service.


Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else.

Voluntarism and/or hobby pursuits does not equal a service. A
service always has dollar marks assigned to it.

Yes. The creators of Linux OS's are not doing their work with a mind
to produce a service for others, but they are doing it out of their
technical interest in producing and programming software. It may
also include that ego thing, with those that identify themselves,
although that is not necessarily a bad thing.


I have extreme trouble understanding what on earth you are talking
about. With the exception of Apple and Microsoft just about every other
major player in the hardware and systems software game has a hand in
supporting Linux.

The only precondition for being an avid supporter of Linux is that you
are NOT involved in SELLING operating systems, but hardware or applications.



And there you are claiming to actually know something about computers
and operating systems!

Great Haggis!



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