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  #16  
Old September 30th 18, 07:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:04:42 +0100, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:40:32 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 01:35 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:26:46 +0100, Big Al wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

You bought a Canon printer right? [g]

No, I avoid them almost as much as HP. It's an Epson.

Well my Canon does pretty much the same thing.
Turn it on and print and it takes 3 minutes to print page 1. Page 2 is
seconds, etc.
Not sure about the black and white and the use of color inks.
Pretty sure my driver, or the user interface, remembers settings. I do
know the one I'm interested in, duplex, is usually always set.

I get the XL tanks and they seem to have a good amount of ink. But
they're inkjets, and consumer products, they aren't meant for high
production.


I forgot to mention the ****ing annoying animations they insist on putting into dialog boxes. I don't need a cartoon to tell me paper is going into the printer, I can ****ing see it for myself! Another thing mine does is warn me with a dialog box that the printer is "not ready to print" - i.e. I've turned it off as I'm finished with it!


And when the ink runs out mid-page, and I replace the ink, it then prints the other half of that page on another sheet! Holy **** these designers are dumbasses.
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Old September 30th 18, 07:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them
to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour ink for
a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece
of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes, the
ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?


because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.


I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,


Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of document x
means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the printer,
tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5 minutes?!


more user error.

ink use is whatever the user chooses,


Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?


i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer


that is false.

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.


All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to pick up
one sheet with your fingers without licking them.


you're trolling, and not doing a very good job of it either.
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Old September 30th 18, 07:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
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And when the ink runs out mid-page, and I replace the ink, it then prints the
other half of that page on another sheet! Holy **** these designers are dumbasses.


it's not the printer designers that are dumbasses.

inkjet printers are designed to *not* run out of ink mid-page because
if it does, the heads will burn out, which is a very costly repair.
there is still a little ink left in an 'empty' cartridge as a safety
net.
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Old September 30th 18, 07:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

And when the ink runs out mid-page, and I replace the ink, it then prints the
other half of that page on another sheet! Holy **** these designers are dumbasses.


it's not the printer designers that are dumbasses.

inkjet printers are designed to *not* run out of ink mid-page


Funny how mine just did.

because
if it does, the heads will burn out, which is a very costly repair.


Bull****. They'd just squirt air. Done that plenty times when the printer thinks there's ink but there isn't.

there is still a little ink left in an 'empty' cartridge as a safety
net.


More like to cost you extra money.

Whatever it is that makes the printer stop and SAY it's run out, why can't it do that BETWEEN pages? Or if not, just continue where it left off on the same page when you replace the cartridge?
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Old September 30th 18, 07:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife[_2_]
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them
to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour ink for
a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece
of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes, the
ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.


I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,


Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of document x
means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the printer,
tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5 minutes?!


more user error.


No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it just stop? the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it goes away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!

ink use is whatever the user chooses,


Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?


i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer


that is false.


It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used colour ink.

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.


All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to pick up
one sheet with your fingers without licking them.


you're trolling, and not doing a very good job of it either.


What part of what I just said do you not believe? Take a fresh ream of paper and try to pick up one at a time with your fingers, without licking them.
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Old September 30th 18, 08:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what
you tell them to? They forget you want landscape, they
forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job
you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white
image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they ****
about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the
roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason
before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.


Nope, for every print job, you get the chance to correctly set the
properties of the print operation and the properties of the printer. The
software/printer can not help it if *you* fsck things up.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait
5 minutes?!


more user error.


No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it
just stop? the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it
goes away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!


It won't stop right away, because print jobs are 'buffered' (spooled)
and most printers themselves are also buffered.

When the printer is switched off, the print job is canceled *and*
deleted and the printer switched back on, the printer will *not* "print
more of it the next day".

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?


i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer


that is false.


It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.


Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.

[More ranting deleted.]

I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).
  #22  
Old September 30th 18, 08:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
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settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of document x
means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer,
tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5 minutes?!


more user error.


No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it just stop?
the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it goes away, yet the
printer prints more of it the next day!


nonsense.

click cancel and the current page finishes.

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?


i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer


that is false.


It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used colour ink.


user error.

converting a photo to greyscale doesn't tell the printer not to use
colour ink. it's still a colour image, just with neutral tones.

telling the printer it's monochrome is what tells the printer not to
use colour, however, some inkjet printers will use a trivial amount of
colour in some cases for two reasons, one to avoid clogs and two, for
richer and more neutral blacks. it doesn't slow anything down, so it
doesn't matter.

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.

All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to pick
up one sheet with your fingers without licking them.


you're trolling, and not doing a very good job of it either.


What part of what I just said do you not believe?


all of it.

everything you've said about printers is *not* normal, which means
you're either trolling or amazingly unlucky. one of those is *far* more
likely than the other.

Take a fresh ream of paper and try to pick up one at a time with your fingers, without licking them.


no need to do that (i.e., user error).

simply put the ream into the printer, or just a portion if the tray
can't hold a full ream.
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Old September 30th 18, 08:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
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And when the ink runs out mid-page, and I replace the ink, it then prints
the
other half of that page on another sheet! Holy **** these designers are
dumbasses.


it's not the printer designers that are dumbasses.

inkjet printers are designed to *not* run out of ink mid-page


Funny how mine just did.


you said you're using a continuous ink system, obviously one which
isn't correctly telling the printer of its ink level.

use standard ink cartridges and that will not happen.

in other words, user error.

because
if it does, the heads will burn out, which is a very costly repair.


Bull****. They'd just squirt air. Done that plenty times when the printer
thinks there's ink but there isn't.


bull**** right back.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/can-...damage-print-h
eads-58731.html
In thermal inkjet printers, the ink in the cartridge serves two
functions. First and most obviously, it provides the pigmentation for
printed imagery. Secondly, it acts as a coolant for the printer head.
Thermal inkjet printer heads contain a small heating element that
vaporizes a tiny amount of ink to create a steam bubble inside the
nozzle and produce the force to push a droplet through the nozzle
onto the paper. With no ink to act as a coolant, the element can
begin to burn out in the head and cause permanent damage that
often necessitates replacing the entire print head.

Epson printers use a piezoelectric vacuum system. Instead of a
heating element, the piezoelectric crystal is located in the nozzle.
When a current is applied to the crystal, it vibrates and creates a
momentary gap for the ink to drip into the nozzle before the seal is
closed once more. When the cartridge is empty and the printer is
run, air is sucked past the crystal, breaking the vacuum seal. As a
result, even installing a fresh cartridge will lead to poor results
-- or none at all until the vacuum is restored by forcing the air out
of the head.

there is still a little ink left in an 'empty' cartridge as a safety
net.


More like to cost you extra money.


nope. it avoids costly damage.

Whatever it is that makes the printer stop and SAY it's run out, why can't it
do that BETWEEN pages?


that's exactly what it does. it won't print if the ink level is too low
and starts warning the user when it's approaching that point.

Or if not, just continue where it left off on the
same page when you replace the cartridge?


the printheads are unloaded to swap ink cartridges, which would make it
next to impossible to realign them to an existing print job.
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Old September 30th 18, 08:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:14:45 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

And when the ink runs out mid-page, and I replace the ink, it then prints
the
other half of that page on another sheet! Holy **** these designers are
dumbasses.

it's not the printer designers that are dumbasses.

inkjet printers are designed to *not* run out of ink mid-page


Funny how mine just did.


you said you're using a continuous ink system, obviously one which
isn't correctly telling the printer of its ink level.


They don't tend to do that.

And it's irrelevant anyway, my point is the printer stops mid page when it THINKS the ink has run out. It stops when a normal cartridge would have.

use standard ink cartridges and that will not happen.

in other words, user error.


No, it does the same with normal cartridges. What on earth makes you think a continuous ink system could confuse it? The printer "knows" there is 13ml in a cartridge. It stops when that "runs out".

because
if it does, the heads will burn out, which is a very costly repair.


Bull****. They'd just squirt air. Done that plenty times when the printer
thinks there's ink but there isn't.


bull**** right back.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/can-...damage-print-h
eads-58731.html
In thermal inkjet printers, the ink in the cartridge serves two
functions. First and most obviously, it provides the pigmentation for
printed imagery. Secondly, it acts as a coolant for the printer head.
Thermal inkjet printer heads contain a small heating element that
vaporizes a tiny amount of ink to create a steam bubble inside the
nozzle and produce the force to push a droplet through the nozzle
onto the paper. With no ink to act as a coolant, the element can
begin to burn out in the head and cause permanent damage that
often necessitates replacing the entire print head.

Epson printers use a piezoelectric vacuum system. Instead of a
heating element, the piezoelectric crystal is located in the nozzle.
When a current is applied to the crystal, it vibrates and creates a
momentary gap for the ink to drip into the nozzle before the seal is
closed once more. When the cartridge is empty and the printer is
run, air is sucked past the crystal, breaking the vacuum seal. As a
result, even installing a fresh cartridge will lead to poor results
-- or none at all until the vacuum is restored by forcing the air out
of the head.


Funny how I've never damaged a head by using empty cartridges or having a block of air in the continuous ink system.

there is still a little ink left in an 'empty' cartridge as a safety
net.


More like to cost you extra money.


nope. it avoids costly damage.


You're so naive.

Whatever it is that makes the printer stop and SAY it's run out, why can't it
do that BETWEEN pages?


that's exactly what it does. it won't print if the ink level is too low
and starts warning the user when it's approaching that point.


Some printers do, some don't, I'd say about 50% of them.

Or if not, just continue where it left off on the
same page when you replace the cartridge?


the printheads are unloaded to swap ink cartridges, which would make it
next to impossible to realign them to an existing print job.


There's no reason they can't move to precisely the same spot.
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Old September 30th 18, 08:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:14:44 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:


settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of document x
means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer,
tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5 minutes?!

more user error.


No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it just stop?
the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it goes away, yet the
printer prints more of it the next day!


nonsense.

click cancel and the current page finishes.


I don't want to finish the current page. And i it's not doing a page, it ends up starting another!

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.


It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used colour ink.


user error.


Really? I somehow got inside the workings of the printer and forced it to use the wrong colour? Are you insane or just stupid?

converting a photo to greyscale doesn't tell the printer not to use
colour ink. it's still a colour image, just with neutral tones.


Everything is a proportion of black an no CMY, so it should only use black ink.

telling the printer it's monochrome is what tells the printer not to
use colour, however, some inkjet printers will use a trivial amount of
colour in some cases for two reasons, one to avoid clogs and two, for
richer and more neutral blacks. it doesn't slow anything down, so it
doesn't matter.


Of course it slows it down, as printers have more black jets than colour ones.

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.

All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to pick
up one sheet with your fingers without licking them.

you're trolling, and not doing a very good job of it either.


What part of what I just said do you not believe?


all of it.

everything you've said about printers is *not* normal, which means
you're either trolling or amazingly unlucky. one of those is *far* more
likely than the other.


I've used several makes of printers and they all have most of the problems I've listed.

Take a fresh ream of paper and try to pick up one at a time with your fingers, without licking them.


no need to do that (i.e., user error).


Try it.

simply put the ream into the printer, or just a portion if the tray
can't hold a full ream.


You really can't follow this argument can you? I'm talking about the ability of the printer to take one page off the top of the pile, and by comparison the ability of a person to do the same (indicating that paper is difficult to seperate). At no point have I referred to a user having to load one page.
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Old September 30th 18, 08:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what
you tell them to? They forget you want landscape, they
forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job
you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white
image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they ****
about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the
roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason
before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.


Nope, for every print job, you get the chance to correctly set the
properties of the print operation and the properties of the printer. The
software/printer can not help it if *you* fsck things up.


The trouble is sometimes it remembers some of the things I set last time, and some not, and it's not predictable. Just because I printed a photograph in landscape yesterday, why the **** does it think I want to print my shopping list that way round?

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait
5 minutes?!

more user error.


No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it
just stop? the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it
goes away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!


It won't stop right away, because print jobs are 'buffered' (spooled)
and most printers themselves are also buffered.


And the computer should tell the printer to halt immediately I cancel the job.

When the printer is switched off, the print job is canceled *and*
deleted and the printer switched back on, the printer will *not* "print
more of it the next day".


My last printer, I could switch the printer off and that would be it, this one I have to cancel the job aswell! The two devices are connected, I shouldn't have to give the same instruction twice.

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.


It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.


Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.


Why would it need a crystal ball to see that it was being given instructions to print a bunch of grey dots?

[More ranting deleted.]

I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).


I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with a couple of infantile ****wits.
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Old September 30th 18, 08:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

converting a photo to greyscale doesn't tell the printer not to use
colour ink. it's still a colour image, just with neutral tones.


Everything is a proportion of black an no CMY, so it should only use black
ink.


inks don't work that way.

telling the printer it's monochrome is what tells the printer not to
use colour, however, some inkjet printers will use a trivial amount of
colour in some cases for two reasons, one to avoid clogs and two, for
richer and more neutral blacks. it doesn't slow anything down, so it
doesn't matter.


Of course it slows it down, as printers have more black jets than colour ones.


no they don't, and they don't fire individually anyway.

there are at least 3x more colour nozzles than black: c-m-y versus k.
photo printers often have two c and m, which would be 5x.
  #28  
Old September 30th 18, 09:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:


[More insane rants and PEBKAC events deleted.]

I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with
a couple of infantile ****wits.


The only infantile ****wit here is you!

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NIF.
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Old September 30th 18, 09:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30 Sep 2018 20:03:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:


[More insane rants and PEBKAC events deleted.]

I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with
a couple of infantile ****wits.


The only infantile ****wit here is you!




I disagree. There are a couple of others here, too. g
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Old September 30th 18, 10:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 21:03:39 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg wrote:


[More insane rants and PEBKAC events deleted.]

I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with
a couple of infantile ****wits.


The only infantile ****wit here is you!

QED.

HTH. HAND. EOD. NIF.


If you believe printers are designed well then you need psychiatric help. They're about as good as they were 30 years ago.
 




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