Annoying printers

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:48:57 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

converting a photo to greyscale doesn't tell the printer not to use
colour ink. it's still a colour image, just with neutral tones.

Everything is a proportion of black an no CMY, so it should only use black
ink.

inks don't work that way.

You need colours to make black? Funny how black and white inkjets worked ok. If there is no colour in the image, it shouldn't be using colour ink.

telling the printer it's monochrome is what tells the printer not to
use colour, however, some inkjet printers will use a trivial amount of
colour in some cases for two reasons, one to avoid clogs and two, for
richer and more neutral blacks. it doesn't slow anything down, so it
doesn't matter.

Of course it slows it down, as printers have more black jets than colour ones.

no they don't, and they don't fire individually anyway.

there are at least 3x more colour nozzles than black: c-m-y versus k.
photo printers often have two c and m, which would be 5x.

More black than ONE of the colours obviously. It means that when printing in black, it can do a much wider band on one pass.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:36:13 +0100, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

The trouble is sometimes it remembers some of the things I set last time, and some not, and it's not predictable.

It is predictable once you work out which applications remember the
last settings and which ones always load the default settings. It has
nothing to do with the printer.

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:45:33 +0200, Sjouke Burry
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On 30-9-2018 19:35, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:22:58 +0100, KenW wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:41:40 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

He/she bought it didn't he/she?

Buying almost any laser printer is the better choice.

Not true. My Canon MG4250 produces better colour pictures than my
Canon laser. It's does double sided as well.

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In article , Wolf K
wrote:


Buying almost any laser printer is the better choice.

not necessarily. for photos, it's a much worse choice.


What you want to print the photos for? If it's for sales promotion, a
laser printer is best.

false, and photos is only one example, not the only example.

If it's for sharing snapshot size prints with
family and friends, a photo-quality printer is certainly better.

a photo-quality inkjet printer is not required to be better than laser.

If it's
for larger, archival quality prints for sale, a high-end "giclee"
printer is better still.

not necessarily.

On 9/30/2018 7:00 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:41:29 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you
tell them
to?* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a
piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes,
the ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes
doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh !* user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use
their printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to.* Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5
minutes?!

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really?* So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.

All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to
pick up one sheet with your fingers without licking them.

My loader is upright. At first it did not work because I shoved the
paper in too far. I learned to just drop it in, but chck that it had
made contact.

On 9/30/2018 7:51 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you
tell
them
to?* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for
a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece
of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the
ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten
minutes doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge
back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh !* user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use
their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to.* Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x
means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer,
tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5 minutes?!

more user error.

No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple.* Why can't it just
stop?* the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it goes
away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really?* So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet
can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.

It isn't.* I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used colour
ink.

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.

All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to
pick up
one sheet with your fingers without licking them.

you're trolling, and not doing a very good job of it either.

What part of what I just said do you not believe?* Take a fresh ream of
paper and try to pick up one at a time with your fingers, without
licking them.

I often do it, but this is England so maybe the paper is thicker.

On 9/30/2018 8:12 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what
you tell them to? They forget you want landscape, they
forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job
you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white
image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they ****
about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the
roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason
before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.

Nope, for every print job, you get the chance to correctly set the
properties of the print operation and the properties of the printer. The
software/printer can not help it if *you* fsck things up.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait
5 minutes?!

more user error.

No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it
just stop? the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it
goes away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!

It won't stop right away, because print jobs are 'buffered' (spooled)
and most printers themselves are also buffered.

When the printer is switched off, the print job is canceled *and*
deleted and the printer switched back on, the printer will *not* "print
more of it the next day".

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.

It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.

Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.

[More ranting deleted.]

I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).

Presumably if it was a monochrome photo, the printer would reproduce it
even if it did use colour ink.

On 9/30/2018 8:36 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam
wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what
you tell them to?* They forget you want landscape, they
forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job
you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white
image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they ****
about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the
roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason
before they get to work!

oh !* user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they
use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to.* Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.

* Nope, for every print job, you get the chance to correctly set the
properties of the print operation and the properties of the printer. The
software/printer can not help it if *you* fsck things up.

The trouble is sometimes it remembers some of the things I set last
time, and some not, and it's not predictable.* Just because I printed a
photograph in landscape yesterday, why the **** does it think I want to
print my shopping list that way round?

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait
5 minutes?!

more user error.

No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple.* Why can't it
just stop?* the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it
goes away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!

* It won't stop right away, because print jobs are 'buffered' (spooled)
and most printers themselves are also buffered.

And the computer should tell the printer to halt immediately I cancel
the job.

* When the printer is switched off, the print job is canceled *and*
deleted and the printer switched back on, the printer will *not* "print
more of it the next day".

My last printer, I could switch the printer off and that would be it,
this one I have to cancel the job aswell!* The two devices are
connected, I shouldn't have to give the same instruction twice.

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really?* So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet
can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.

It isn't.* I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.

* Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.

Why would it need a crystal ball to see that it was being given
instructions to print a bunch of grey dots?

[More ranting deleted.]

* I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).

I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with a
couple of infantile ****wits.

See some posts from Uncle Sam's other island which should come in above.

On 9/30/2018 6:34 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:17:22 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉
wrote:

On 30/09/2018 17:41, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?

Because they all have their own mind and can do whatever they want to
do.Â* Usage of printers is diminishing by the day because there is no
need to print things these days.

You actually believe in the paperless society?Â* It doesn't exist.

It's like our resident thief by the name of Johnson or Chris or
WhetherMan who can steal any applications they want but corporations can
only sue them if they can find them;Â* They can't hire a hitman to finish
them off once and for all.

The "MeToo" movement is destroying good powerful man because they can do
whatever they want;Â* This woman calledÂ* Christine Blasey Ford made
millions by accusing somebody who may or may not have done anything to
her.Â* She claims to be a professor but with a voice like that, I doubt
if her students can learn anything from her.Â* she is a bore as far as
I'm concerned.Â* she was a good actor I'll have to say that but terrible
voice for an actor.

You seem to have wondered off to something nothing to do with printing.

If you are trolling, you have hooked a few. Well done.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell them
to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes, the ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

The one thing that really annoys me about some printers is that they do not
have a "limp home" mode. If there is a problem with any of the cartridges,
they throw their toys out of the pram and stop working altogether, rather
than printing in black ink only. And they print black text with a
combination of colours as well as black, so even if you only print text
documents, you end up needing to replace the colour cartridges eventually.

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the manufacturer's
own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying up - to the extend
that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print a test page every week
to keep the ink flowing. Fed up with the cost of replacing the ink, I tried
some from one of the cartridge shops - can't remember which one - and the
printer has behaved nearly perfectly. There have been a few problems with
individual nozzles drying up, and needing the cleaning cycle to get things
going, but none of the problems with almost all the nozzles drying that I
had with the printer manufacturer's ink.

Ken Blake wrote:
On 30 Sep 2018 20:03:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

[More insane rants and PEBKAC events deleted.]

I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with
a couple of infantile ****wits.

The only infantile ****wit here is you!

I disagree. There are a couple of others here, too. g

Well, with 'here' I meant in this thread. But fair enough, also in
this thread he's not the only one, so let's say he's the *worst* one
'here'! :-)

On 10/01/2018 05:32 AM, NY wrote:
"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
news
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?Â* They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use
colour ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they
can't feed a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up
every five minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they
**** about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller
and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get
to work!

The one thing that really annoys me about some printers is that they do
not have a "limp home" mode. If there is a problem with any of the
cartridges, they throw their toys out of the pram and stop working
altogether, rather than printing in black ink only. And they print black
text with a combination of colours as well as black, so even if you only
print text documents, you end up needing to replace the colour
cartridges eventually.

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the
manufacturer's own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying
up - to the extend that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print
a test page every week to keep the ink flowing. Fed up with the cost of
replacing the ink, I tried some from one of the cartridge shops - can't
remember which one - and the printer has behaved nearly perfectly. There
have been a few problems with individual nozzles drying up, and needing
the cleaning cycle to get things going, but none of the problems with
almost all the nozzles drying that I had with the printer manufacturer's
ink.
http://www.tonerpirate.com/epson-inkjet-printer-supply/
Or just go to the http://www.tonerpirate.com for other supplies.
We use the canon cartridges from here, about $5 US per, and they seem to
work great. Have 1 now and then give us a problem but 1 out of 20 maybe?

Al

On 9/30/2018 12:17 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 30/09/2018 17:41, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?

Because they all have their own mind and can do whatever they want to
do.Â* Usage of printers is diminishing by the day because there is no
need to print things these days.


HUH?? Not true. For example, financial accounts .
While I can see them daily. For tx and other
purposes I want a paper record.

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:32:52 +0100, "NY" wrote:

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the manufacturer's
own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying up - to the extend
that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print a test page every week
to keep the ink flowing.

I'm currently in between laser printers, having dragged out a 15 year
old Epson inkjet, and to address what you describe above I created a
task in the scheduler to print a sheet every week, on Monday morning at
10:00AM. So far, so good. No dried up cartridges in about 9-10 months,
but I really need to get back to the good life (color laser).

On 09/30/2018 12:50 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Sjouke Burry
wrote:


Buying almost any laser printer is the better choice.

not necessarily. for photos, it's a much worse choice.

My current Brother laser printer won't print photos on glossy paper, but
it does a decent job on plain paper.

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