Read only files

On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:32:51 +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote:

On 09/01/2015 11:50, "...winston‫" wrote:
Andrew Wilson wrote:
On 08/01/2015 06:02, "...winston‫" wrote:
Andrew Wilson wrote:
Running Win7 and Office 2010
Could anyone please tell me how to stop Win7 from making documents into
read only mode.
I have an Excel file in one of my folders and every time I open it I am
told that it is read only.
I save the document under a new name and delete the now read only
document and then rename the new document back to the old name.
I have looked in Properties and the document isn't checked under read
only.
Office 97 never did this.
Thanks
Andrew Wilson
Source of the original file ?
- created by you
- created by another (if so, how received)

What folder is the file located ?

Same thing occur if the document you save is saved to the Public
Documents folder ?

Is 'Preview' mode enabled in Explorer when viewing the file in the
folder it resides ?
- if so, disable Preview mode, the open the file

Sorry, forgot to say that the file was created years ago by me in Office
97 (.xls) and uses simple formulas. When I installed Office 2010 the
file could still be read but when I came to save it I get a pop up that
said that some formatting may be lost (or words to that effect) but it
still saved OK. I have now saved it as an .xlsx document but I'm still
puzzled as I have other .xls files with formulas and they don't cause
any trouble.
Regards
Andrew Wilson

Still waiting for the answer to (1) File location; (2) Same issue when
file resides and opened from Public Documents folder (3) Turned preview
mode off in the folder that the file resides in Windows Explorer ?

Also...have you removed the security protection on earlier version xls
documents in Excel's Trust Center/../File Block Settings

Apologies, Winston.
File created by myself, no-one else uses it and as it is my accounts I
use a password to protect it.
File located in Andrew/My Documents/Flash Disk/General/accounts.xls (now
.xlsx) as I saved it under .xlsx last night.
Not sure if Preview mode is on as I can't find it using Windows Explorer.
Thanks
Andrew

In the Explorer toolbar, Organize - Layout - check or uncheck Preview
Pane.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 1/9/2015 4:32 PM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
On 09/01/2015 11:50, "...winston‫" wrote:
Andrew Wilson wrote:
On 08/01/2015 06:02, "...winston‫" wrote:
Andrew Wilson wrote:
Running Win7 and Office 2010
Could anyone please tell me how to stop Win7 from making documents
into
read only mode.
I have an Excel file in one of my folders and every time I open it
I am
told that it is read only.


snip a bunch

Since you have password protected it within Excel, "ReadOnly" is an
option in that Setting dialog box, that could be why. It isn't Win7
doing it.

On 2015-01-09 17:32, Andrew Wilson wrote:

Running Win7 and Office 2010
Could anyone please tell me how to stop Win7 from making documents into
read only mode.
I have an Excel file in one of my folders and every time I open it I am
told that it is read only.
I save the document under a new name and delete the now read only
document and then rename the new document back to the old name.
I have looked in Properties and the document isn't checked under read
only.
Office 97 never did this.
Thanks
Andrew Wilson

I've snipped a lot.

I'm surprised no one wrote "Known Issue" - I've had this with various
Word files in Office 2010, and none were Read-Only (at the NTFS level),
and none had permissions issues (at the NTFS level) and yet, Word
refused to overwrite the files. I never really looked in ProcMon to see
if something else had a lock on the file tho, you could try that, maybe
the office Cache (Groove) has a lock? As for me, I just did like you,
wrote it under a new name and deleted the old one. I've had this in
Excel once for a user, and the spreadsheet was "shared" (review TAB,
Share Workbook) and playing with that (disable sharing, save, reload,
re-enable) eventually fixed it. But I never fixed it for Word :-(

Good luck with that.
Best Regards,

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On 1/9/2015 6:04 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:05:47 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 9:02 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:18:40 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 2:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:28:30 -0500, Nil wrote:

On 07 Jan 2015, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

One possibility for the OP to think about is that the file could
be open in another editing program (meaning a program that can
change it).

That could do it, though it seems to me to be a bit unlikely to be
running multiple Excel-reading programs at the same time without
knowing it. Maybe his anti-virus has it locked up. Maybe the document
is corrupt.

I don't think there's any relation, but this reminds me of when I once
had to deal with this guy who had a complex Excel spreadsheet that
would near-constantly (about 80% of the time) cause his computer to
reboot. He had built the spreadsheet up over years - it had tons of
data in it and lots of complex formulas, calculations and other arcane
stuff. I rebuilt the computer twice (meaning reloaded the OS [Windows
98 - that will tell you how long ago it was]). The thing still
happened. I got him a new computer. Then another. It still did it. The
thing would not happen on anyone else's computer, only the one he was
sitting in front of. I was never able to explain or solve it, which was
a black mark against me. The ultimate solution was for him to make a
new spreadsheet.

There is no moral to the story except that sometimes it's just one of
those damn computer things shrug.

Who would have thought that computers could turn someone into a
philosopher?

Yeah, I have mysteries that I can't get a handle on (outside of
computers too, probably). This computer won't let me install software -
or even use the web interface - for managing a Harmony remote. Other
Win7 machines, and even XP in VMware on this one, work fine.


User account configuration/corruption?

No, I'm not corrupt. I'm not even in politics.

Then, I guess, it's time to poke around the registry!
Just because the user account is suspect, in no way says the same about
the user!

I hope you saw that as a joke...

OK, I'll poke around in the registry. Where, in the thousands of
entries, would you recommend that I start?

That question is *not* a joke...

Neither is this: why would a corrupt user affect exactly one app *and*
its related web site?

Since I have at least three ways that *do* work to deal with the device,
I'm not strongly motivated to poke around in the registry for that
problem.

I suspect that Harmony has it in for me, but that it just hasn't figured
out yet that the successful alternatives are coming from me.

When forced to do so, I look initially for entries similar to the
application name. Or, if the app has a readable file that might
point to registry entries. From there, what usually happens is that
you get several more registry entries, often with unintelligible strings
or references. The app also may generate some sort of log file
on installation which might be worth looking into.

The whole thing can be a major pain. One "app" that I hate
is MS office. It runs amok in making registry entries, and
may not clear out one from older versions. Worse, the old and new
entries can get compromised on a PC with multiple versions present.

There are user specific registry entries that can be unique to that user
and a specific "app". It's often dependent on how the app was installed
to begin with. This user, all users comes to mind.

On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:02:52 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/9/2015 6:04 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:05:47 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 9:02 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:18:40 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 2:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:28:30 -0500, Nil wrote:

On 07 Jan 2015, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

One possibility for the OP to think about is that the file could
be open in another editing program (meaning a program that can
change it).

That could do it, though it seems to me to be a bit unlikely to be
running multiple Excel-reading programs at the same time without
knowing it. Maybe his anti-virus has it locked up. Maybe the document
is corrupt.

I don't think there's any relation, but this reminds me of when I once
had to deal with this guy who had a complex Excel spreadsheet that
would near-constantly (about 80% of the time) cause his computer to
reboot. He had built the spreadsheet up over years - it had tons of
data in it and lots of complex formulas, calculations and other arcane
stuff. I rebuilt the computer twice (meaning reloaded the OS [Windows
98 - that will tell you how long ago it was]). The thing still
happened. I got him a new computer. Then another. It still did it. The
thing would not happen on anyone else's computer, only the one he was
sitting in front of. I was never able to explain or solve it, which was
a black mark against me. The ultimate solution was for him to make a
new spreadsheet.

There is no moral to the story except that sometimes it's just one of
those damn computer things shrug.

Who would have thought that computers could turn someone into a
philosopher?

Yeah, I have mysteries that I can't get a handle on (outside of
computers too, probably). This computer won't let me install software -
or even use the web interface - for managing a Harmony remote. Other
Win7 machines, and even XP in VMware on this one, work fine.


User account configuration/corruption?

No, I'm not corrupt. I'm not even in politics.

Then, I guess, it's time to poke around the registry!
Just because the user account is suspect, in no way says the same about
the user!

I hope you saw that as a joke...

OK, I'll poke around in the registry. Where, in the thousands of
entries, would you recommend that I start?

That question is *not* a joke...

Neither is this: why would a corrupt user affect exactly one app *and*
its related web site?

Since I have at least three ways that *do* work to deal with the device,
I'm not strongly motivated to poke around in the registry for that
problem.

I suspect that Harmony has it in for me, but that it just hasn't figured
out yet that the successful alternatives are coming from me.

When forced to do so, I look initially for entries similar to the
application name. Or, if the app has a readable file that might
point to registry entries. From there, what usually happens is that
you get several more registry entries, often with unintelligible strings
or references. The app also may generate some sort of log file
on installation which might be worth looking into.

The whole thing can be a major pain. One "app" that I hate
is MS office. It runs amok in making registry entries, and
may not clear out one from older versions. Worse, the old and new
entries can get compromised on a PC with multiple versions present.

There are user specific registry entries that can be unique to that user
and a specific "app". It's often dependent on how the app was installed
to begin with. This user, all users comes to mind.

OK, let me spell it out. I'm not planning to do it unless I find myself
momentarily bored and I've read all my magazines.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 1/11/2015 6:13 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:02:52 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/9/2015 6:04 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:05:47 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 9:02 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:18:40 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 2:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:28:30 -0500, Nil wrote:

On 07 Jan 2015, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

One possibility for the OP to think about is that the file could
be open in another editing program (meaning a program that can
change it).

That could do it, though it seems to me to be a bit unlikely to be
running multiple Excel-reading programs at the same time without
knowing it. Maybe his anti-virus has it locked up. Maybe the document
is corrupt.

I don't think there's any relation, but this reminds me of when I once
had to deal with this guy who had a complex Excel spreadsheet that
would near-constantly (about 80% of the time) cause his computer to
reboot. He had built the spreadsheet up over years - it had tons of
data in it and lots of complex formulas, calculations and other arcane
stuff. I rebuilt the computer twice (meaning reloaded the OS [Windows
98 - that will tell you how long ago it was]). The thing still
happened. I got him a new computer. Then another. It still did it. The
thing would not happen on anyone else's computer, only the one he was
sitting in front of. I was never able to explain or solve it, which was
a black mark against me. The ultimate solution was for him to make a
new spreadsheet.

There is no moral to the story except that sometimes it's just one of
those damn computer things shrug.

Who would have thought that computers could turn someone into a
philosopher?

Yeah, I have mysteries that I can't get a handle on (outside of
computers too, probably). This computer won't let me install software -
or even use the web interface - for managing a Harmony remote. Other
Win7 machines, and even XP in VMware on this one, work fine.


User account configuration/corruption?

No, I'm not corrupt. I'm not even in politics.

Then, I guess, it's time to poke around the registry!
Just because the user account is suspect, in no way says the same about
the user!

I hope you saw that as a joke...

OK, I'll poke around in the registry. Where, in the thousands of
entries, would you recommend that I start?

That question is *not* a joke...

Neither is this: why would a corrupt user affect exactly one app *and*
its related web site?

Since I have at least three ways that *do* work to deal with the device,
I'm not strongly motivated to poke around in the registry for that
problem.

I suspect that Harmony has it in for me, but that it just hasn't figured
out yet that the successful alternatives are coming from me.

When forced to do so, I look initially for entries similar to the
application name. Or, if the app has a readable file that might
point to registry entries. From there, what usually happens is that
you get several more registry entries, often with unintelligible strings
or references. The app also may generate some sort of log file
on installation which might be worth looking into.

The whole thing can be a major pain. One "app" that I hate
is MS office. It runs amok in making registry entries, and
may not clear out one from older versions. Worse, the old and new
entries can get compromised on a PC with multiple versions present.

There are user specific registry entries that can be unique to that user
and a specific "app". It's often dependent on how the app was installed
to begin with. This user, all users comes to mind.

OK, let me spell it out. I'm not planning to do it unless I find myself
momentarily bored and I've read all my magazines.


"momentarily bored"
That's usually when I look at the newsgroups!

On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 01:07:59 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/11/2015 6:13 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:02:52 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/9/2015 6:04 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 01:05:47 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 9:02 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 18:18:40 -0500, Charlie wrote:

On 1/8/2015 2:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:28:30 -0500, Nil wrote:

On 07 Jan 2015, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

One possibility for the OP to think about is that the file could
be open in another editing program (meaning a program that can
change it).

That could do it, though it seems to me to be a bit unlikely to be
running multiple Excel-reading programs at the same time without
knowing it. Maybe his anti-virus has it locked up. Maybe the document
is corrupt.

I don't think there's any relation, but this reminds me of when I once
had to deal with this guy who had a complex Excel spreadsheet that
would near-constantly (about 80% of the time) cause his computer to
reboot. He had built the spreadsheet up over years - it had tons of
data in it and lots of complex formulas, calculations and other arcane
stuff. I rebuilt the computer twice (meaning reloaded the OS [Windows
98 - that will tell you how long ago it was]). The thing still
happened. I got him a new computer. Then another. It still did it. The
thing would not happen on anyone else's computer, only the one he was
sitting in front of. I was never able to explain or solve it, which was
a black mark against me. The ultimate solution was for him to make a
new spreadsheet.

There is no moral to the story except that sometimes it's just one of
those damn computer things shrug.

Who would have thought that computers could turn someone into a
philosopher?

Yeah, I have mysteries that I can't get a handle on (outside of
computers too, probably). This computer won't let me install software -
or even use the web interface - for managing a Harmony remote. Other
Win7 machines, and even XP in VMware on this one, work fine.


User account configuration/corruption?

No, I'm not corrupt. I'm not even in politics.

Then, I guess, it's time to poke around the registry!
Just because the user account is suspect, in no way says the same about
the user!

I hope you saw that as a joke...

OK, I'll poke around in the registry. Where, in the thousands of
entries, would you recommend that I start?

That question is *not* a joke...

Neither is this: why would a corrupt user affect exactly one app *and*
its related web site?

Since I have at least three ways that *do* work to deal with the device,
I'm not strongly motivated to poke around in the registry for that
problem.

I suspect that Harmony has it in for me, but that it just hasn't figured
out yet that the successful alternatives are coming from me.

When forced to do so, I look initially for entries similar to the
application name. Or, if the app has a readable file that might
point to registry entries. From there, what usually happens is that
you get several more registry entries, often with unintelligible strings
or references. The app also may generate some sort of log file
on installation which might be worth looking into.

The whole thing can be a major pain. One "app" that I hate
is MS office. It runs amok in making registry entries, and
may not clear out one from older versions. Worse, the old and new
entries can get compromised on a PC with multiple versions present.

There are user specific registry entries that can be unique to that user
and a specific "app". It's often dependent on how the app was installed
to begin with. This user, all users comes to mind.

OK, let me spell it out. I'm not planning to do it unless I find myself
momentarily bored and I've read all my magazines.


"momentarily bored"
That's usually when I look at the newsgroups!

LOL! You win this one!

I had considered looking in the registry until you suggested it - that's
how childish I can be :-)

The thing is that I can do fine in a VM running XP on this box (I needed
the XP for other S/W) and on two W7 computers that I have access to
here. One is a laptop, so I can even do the Harmony stuff in front of
the A/V system, which is convenient.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)