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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn , "M.L." wrote:
This is a *great* idea. How does one turn on this "native adblocker feature" in Windows? You download a hosts (ad blacklist) file and copy it into c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts Oh. That's all you were talking about. Bummer. I thought there was something in Windows I didn't know about. I already use the same hosts file on all my devices, including Android, where on Windows it started years ago as Peter's Host File and then added the MVP Hosts file and a plethora of other hosts files and then I learned how to cull out the duplicates and to easily add lines to the MASTER hosts file which I keep on Windows. On Windows, for example, this edits my hosts file: Start Run hosts Where we've discussed, on this very newsgroup, the Windows 'magic' in the registry App Paths key to make that work flawlessly. HKLM SOFTWARE Microsoft Windows CurrentVersion App Paths hosts.exe I wouldn't be surprised if there's a browser addon that can download and extract from YouTube vids. There's no value to an addon when all that is needed is a single command: youtube-dl.exe -f 18 {URL} Command line downloading is inefficient if you want to download multiple vids or extract multiple mp3s at a time. I have to disagree in that the tool I use does *everything* you can possibly do with *any* combination of other tools. For example, it handles playlists in a bunch of ways, and it can download based on regular expressions that go further than just the name of the video but which can be the number of the comments and the date of the video and the number of views and whatever you want. Check out the manpage (look at "playlists" for example)... Usage: youtube-dl.exe [OPTIONS] URL [URL...] Options: General Options: -h, --help Print this help text and exit --version Print program version and exit -U, --update Update this program to latest version. Make sure that you have sufficient permissions (run with sudo if needed) -i, --ignore-errors Continue on download errors, for example to skip unavailable videos in a playlist --abort-on-error Abort downloading of further videos (in the playlist or the command line) if an error occurs --dump-user-agent Display the current browser identification --list-extractors List all supported extractors --extractor-descriptions Output descriptions of all supported extractors --force-generic-extractor Force extraction to use the generic extractor --default-search PREFIX Use this prefix for unqualified URLs. For example "gvsearch2:" downloads two videos from google videos for youtube-dl "large apple". Use the value "auto" to let youtube-dl guess ("auto_warning" to emit a warning when guessing). "error" just throws an error. The default value "fixup_error" repairs broken URLs, but emits an error if this is not possible instead of searching. --ignore-config Do not read configuration files. When given in the global configuration file /etc /youtube-dl.conf: Do not read the user configuration in ~/.config/youtube- dl/config (%APPDATA%/youtube-dl/config.txt on Windows) --config-location PATH Location of the configuration file; either the path to the config or its containing directory. --flat-playlist Do not extract the videos of a playlist, only list them. --mark-watched Mark videos watched (YouTube only) --no-mark-watched Do not mark videos watched (YouTube only) --no-color Do not emit color codes in output Network Options: --proxy URL Use the specified HTTP/HTTPS/SOCKS proxy. To enable experimental SOCKS proxy, specify a proper scheme. For example socks5://127.0.0.1:1080/. Pass in an empty string (--proxy "") for direct connection --socket-timeout SECONDS Time to wait before giving up, in seconds --source-address IP Client-side IP address to bind to -4, --force-ipv4 Make all connections via IPv4 -6, --force-ipv6 Make all connections via IPv6 Geo Restriction: --geo-verification-proxy URL Use this proxy to verify the IP address for some geo-restricted sites. The default proxy specified by --proxy (or none, if the options is not present) is used for the actual downloading. --geo-bypass Bypass geographic restriction via faking X -Forwarded-For HTTP header (experimental) --no-geo-bypass Do not bypass geographic restriction via faking X-Forwarded-For HTTP header (experimental) --geo-bypass-country CODE Force bypass geographic restriction with explicitly provided two-letter ISO 3166-2 country code (experimental) Video Selection: --playlist-start NUMBER Playlist video to start at (default is 1) --playlist-end NUMBER Playlist video to end at (default is last) --playlist-items ITEM_SPEC Playlist video items to download. Specify indices of the videos in the playlist separated by commas like: "--playlist-items 1,2,5,8" if you want to download videos indexed 1, 2, 5, 8 in the playlist. You can specify range: "--playlist-items 1-3,7,10-13", it will download the videos at index 1, 2, 3, 7, 10, 11, 12 and 13. --match-title REGEX Download only matching titles (regex or caseless sub-string) --reject-title REGEX Skip download for matching titles (regex or caseless sub-string) --max-downloads NUMBER Abort after downloading NUMBER files --min-filesize SIZE Do not download any videos smaller than SIZE (e.g. 50k or 44.6m) --max-filesize SIZE Do not download any videos larger than SIZE (e.g. 50k or 44.6m) --date DATE Download only videos uploaded in this date --datebefore DATE Download only videos uploaded on or before this date (i.e. inclusive) --dateafter DATE Download only videos uploaded on or after this date (i.e. inclusive) --min-views COUNT Do not download any videos with less than COUNT views --max-views COUNT Do not download any videos with more than COUNT views --match-filter FILTER Generic video filter. Specify any key (see the "OUTPUT TEMPLATE" for a list of available keys) to match if the key is present, !key to check if the key is not present, key NUMBER (like "comment_count 12", also works with =, , =, !=, =) to compare against a number, key = 'LITERAL' (like "uploader = 'Mike Smith'", also works with !=) to match against a string literal and & to require multiple matches. Values which are not known are excluded unless you put a question mark (?) after the operator. For example, to only match videos that have been liked more than 100 times and disliked less than 50 times (or the dislike functionality is not available at the given service), but who also have a description, use --match-filter "like_count 100 & dislike_count ? 50 & description" . --no-playlist Download only the video, if the URL refers to a video and a playlist. --yes-playlist Download the playlist, if the URL refers to a video and a playlist. --age-limit YEARS Download only videos suitable for the given age --download-archive FILE Download only videos not listed in the archive file. Record the IDs of all downloaded videos in it. --include-ads Download advertisements as well (experimental) Download Options: -r, --limit-rate RATE Maximum download rate in bytes per second (e.g. 50K or 4.2M) -R, --retries RETRIES Number of retries (default is 10), or "infinite". --fragment-retries RETRIES Number of retries for a fragment (default is 10), or "infinite" (DASH, hlsnative and ISM) --skip-unavailable-fragments Skip unavailable fragments (DASH, hlsnative and ISM) --abort-on-unavailable-fragment Abort downloading when some fragment is not available --keep-fragments Keep downloaded fragments on disk after downloading is finished; fragments are erased by default --buffer-size SIZE Size of download buffer (e.g. 1024 or 16K) (default is 1024) --no-resize-buffer Do not automatically adjust the buffer size. By default, the buffer size is automatically resized from an initial value of SIZE. --playlist-reverse Download playlist videos in reverse order --playlist-random Download playlist videos in random order --xattr-set-filesize Set file xattribute ytdl.filesize with expected file size (experimental) --hls-prefer-native Use the native HLS downloader instead of ffmpeg --hls-prefer-ffmpeg Use ffmpeg instead of the native HLS downloader --hls-use-mpegts Use the mpegts container for HLS videos, allowing to play the video while downloading (some players may not be able to play it) --external-downloader COMMAND Use the specified external downloader. Currently supports aria2c,avconv,axel,curl,ffmpeg, httpie,wget --external-downloader-args ARGS Give these arguments to the external downloader Filesystem Options: -a, --batch-file FILE File containing URLs to download ('-' for stdin) --id Use only video ID in file name -o, --output TEMPLATE Output filename template, see the "OUTPUT TEMPLATE" for all the info --autonumber-start NUMBER Specify the start value for %(autonumber)s (default is 1) --restrict-filenames Restrict filenames to only ASCII characters, and avoid "&" and spaces in filenames -w, --no-overwrites Do not overwrite files -c, --continue Force resume of partially downloaded files. By default, youtube-dl will resume downloads if possible. --no-continue Do not resume partially downloaded files (restart from beginning) --no-part Do not use .part files - write directly into output file --no-mtime Do not use the Last-modified header to set the file modification time --write-description Write video description to a .description file --write-info-json Write video metadata to a .info.json file --write-annotations Write video annotations to a .annotations.xml file --load-info-json FILE JSON file containing the video information (created with the "--write-info-json" option) --cookies FILE File to read cookies from and dump cookie jar in --cache-dir DIR Location in the filesystem where youtube-dl can store some downloaded information permanently. By default $XDG_CACHE_HOME /youtube-dl or ~/.cache/youtube-dl . At the moment, only YouTube player files (for videos with obfuscated signatures) are cached, but that may change. --no-cache-dir Disable filesystem caching --rm-cache-dir Delete all filesystem cache files Thumbnail images: --write-thumbnail Write thumbnail image to disk --write-all-thumbnails Write all thumbnail image formats to disk --list-thumbnails Simulate and list all available thumbnail formats Verbosity / Simulation Options: -q, --quiet Activate quiet mode --no-warnings Ignore warnings -s, --simulate Do not download the video and do not write anything to disk --skip-download Do not download the video -g, --get-url Simulate, quiet but print URL -e, --get-title Simulate, quiet but print title --get-id Simulate, quiet but print id --get-thumbnail Simulate, quiet but print thumbnail URL --get-description Simulate, quiet but print video description --get-duration Simulate, quiet but print video length --get-filename Simulate, quiet but print output filename --get-format Simulate, quiet but print output format -j, --dump-json Simulate, quiet but print JSON information. See the "OUTPUT TEMPLATE" for a description of available keys. -J, --dump-single-json Simulate, quiet but print JSON information for each command-line argument. If the URL refers to a playlist, dump the whole playlist information in a single line. --print-json Be quiet and print the video information as JSON (video is still being downloaded). --newline Output progress bar as new lines --no-progress Do not print progress bar --console-title Display progress in console titlebar -v, --verbose Print various debugging information --dump-pages Print downloaded pages encoded using base64 to debug problems (very verbose) --write-pages Write downloaded intermediary pages to files in the current directory to debug problems --print-traffic Display sent and read HTTP traffic -C, --call-home Contact the youtube-dl server for debugging --no-call-home Do NOT contact the youtube-dl server for debugging Workarounds: --encoding ENCODING Force the specified encoding (experimental) --no-check-certificate Suppress HTTPS certificate validation --prefer-insecure Use an unencrypted connection to retrieve information about the video. (Currently supported only for YouTube) --user-agent UA Specify a custom user agent --referer URL Specify a custom referer, use if the video access is restricted to one domain --add-header FIELD:VALUE Specify a custom HTTP header and its value, separated by a colon ':'. You can use this option multiple times --bidi-workaround Work around terminals that lack bidirectional text support. Requires bidiv or fribidi executable in PATH --sleep-interval SECONDS Number of seconds to sleep before each download when used alone or a lower bound of a range for randomized sleep before each download (minimum possible number of seconds to sleep) when used along with --max-sleep-interval. --max-sleep-interval SECONDS Upper bound of a range for randomized sleep before each download (maximum possible number of seconds to sleep). Must only be used along with --min-sleep-interval. Video Format Options: -f, --format FORMAT Video format code, see the "FORMAT SELECTION" for all the info --all-formats Download all available video formats --prefer-free-formats Prefer free video formats unless a specific one is requested -F, --list-formats List all available formats of requested videos --youtube-skip-dash-manifest Do not download the DASH manifests and related data on YouTube videos --merge-output-format FORMAT If a merge is required (e.g. bestvideo+bestaudio), output to given container format. One of mkv, mp4, ogg, webm, flv. Ignored if no merge is required Subtitle Options: --write-sub Write subtitle file --write-auto-sub Write automatically generated subtitle file (YouTube only) --all-subs Download all the available subtitles of the video --list-subs List all available subtitles for the video --sub-format FORMAT Subtitle format, accepts formats preference, for example: "srt" or "ass/srt/best" --sub-lang LANGS Languages of the subtitles to download (optional) separated by commas, use --list- subs for available language tags Authentication Options: -u, --username USERNAME Login with this account ID -p, --password PASSWORD Account password. If this option is left out, youtube-dl will ask interactively. -2, --twofactor TWOFACTOR Two-factor authentication code -n, --netrc Use .netrc authentication data --video-password PASSWORD Video password (vimeo, smotri, youku) Adobe Pass Options: --ap-mso MSO Adobe Pass multiple-system operator (TV provider) identifier, use --ap-list-mso for a list of available MSOs --ap-username USERNAME Multiple-system operator account login --ap-password PASSWORD Multiple-system operator account password. If this option is left out, youtube-dl will ask interactively. --ap-list-mso List all supported multiple-system operators Post-processing Options: -x, --extract-audio Convert video files to audio-only files (requires ffmpeg or avconv and ffprobe or avprobe) --audio-format FORMAT Specify audio format: "best", "aac", "flac", "mp3", "m4a", "opus", "vorbis", or "wav"; "best" by default; No effect without -x --audio-quality QUALITY Specify ffmpeg/avconv audio quality, insert a value between 0 (better) and 9 (worse) for VBR or a specific bitrate like 128K (default 5) --recode-video FORMAT Encode the video to another format if necessary (currently supported: mp4|flv|ogg|webm|mkv|avi) --postprocessor-args ARGS Give these arguments to the postprocessor -k, --keep-video Keep the video file on disk after the post- processing; the video is erased by default --no-post-overwrites Do not overwrite post-processed files; the post-processed files are overwritten by default --embed-subs Embed subtitles in the video (only for mp4, webm and mkv videos) --embed-thumbnail Embed thumbnail in the audio as cover art --add-metadata Write metadata to the video file --metadata-from-title FORMAT Parse additional metadata like song title / artist from the video title. The format syntax is the same as --output. Regular expression with named capture groups may also be used. The parsed parameters replace existing values. Example: --metadata-from- title "%(artist)s - %(title)s" matches a title like "Coldplay - Paradise". Example (regex): --metadata-from-title "(?Partist.+?) - (?Ptitle.+)" --xattrs Write metadata to the video file's xattrs (using dublin core and xdg standards) --fixup POLICY Automatically correct known faults of the file. One of never (do nothing), warn (only emit a warning), detect_or_warn (the default; fix file if we can, warn otherwise) --prefer-avconv Prefer avconv over ffmpeg for running the postprocessors (default) --prefer-ffmpeg Prefer ffmpeg over avconv for running the postprocessors --ffmpeg-location PATH Location of the ffmpeg/avconv binary; either the path to the binary or its containing directory. --exec CMD Execute a command on the file after downloading, similar to find's -exec syntax. Example: --exec 'adb push {} /sdcard/Music/ && rm {}' --convert-subs FORMAT Convert the subtitles to other format (currently supported: srt|ass|vtt) |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: You download a hosts (ad blacklist) file and copy it into c:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts That requires the advertising servers to remain static. They can change IP/domain names anytime they like, rendering the previous entries null and void. The hosts file was never actually intended for the way in which you suggest using it...Despite it working to a point for that purpose. It's the wrong tool for the job. I periodically slide into my master HOSTS file the MVP Hosts file. http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/ Command line downloading is inefficient if you want to download multiple vids or extract multiple mp3s at a time. It depends entirely on the command line and the tool you're using as well as the site in which you're pulling the material from. One size doesn't fit all. The tool I use has a billion switches to do anything you want, from downloading every third file in a playlist to a regular expression used on a playlist to file size limitations, to not downloading videos in the playlist without sufficient views or after a certain date, or whatever. It's kind of like ImageMagick or vim in that there is already a built-in option for everything anyone has ever needed. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn , "M.L."
wrote: Q: Does AdBlock block the inside-the-video inline video ads on YouTube? Can't say for sure, but I know that the MVP hosts file blocks all youTube ads in all my browsers. This is great to know since I haven't updated my MVP Hosts file in a while (so I'll slip that again into my already huge MASTER HOSTS file soon). That Master HOSTS file gets propagated to all my devices, included Android, which mounts easily to Windows' file system over the LAN. I agree with you on the insane versatility of this global system wide method of blocking hosts, rather than a browser-specific method such as what AdBlock employs. In use, the *global* (aka system wide) ad blockers do a *great* job in blocking ads that I would never have thought *could* be blocked! As one example, I bought some phones for Christmas and was using Deep Art Effects - de.nextsol.deeparteffects.api https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.nextsol.deeparteffects.app 1. On the phone with the Master HOSTS file - there was no watermark 2. On the new phone (not yet set up with the Master Hosts) - there was So even watermarks on photos put on by freeware editors are removed by the global solution - which is something a browser-specific AdBlock can't do. In general, I have a well-thought out Windows system, where anyone who proposes a browser-specific solution is likely not thinking globally like you and I think. A browser-specific solution like AdBlock or a browser-specific youtube downloader is only suggested by those who only use point solutions. Nothing wrong with point solutions (they work); but it takes thinking and philosophical design to come up with the more elegant global system-wide solutions that we habitually employ. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn news
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When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do *NOT* know where it puts it. GUI can be just as obtuse as CUI. I also always have all my browsers set to ASK where to download since I put different things in different places and there is a place for everything before I download it. I think I had to implement a hack in Edge to get it to ask ... let me look .... nope ... the hack is just to let me put everything in a place of my choosing - but it's only one place. So, other than Edge, all the other browsers have a switch to just ASK where you want to put each file (which is exactly what I want since each file has a separate place it belongs). |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: Unless otherwise specified, it's most likely going to be stored in the folder from which you executed the program from. That's usually the case. And, incidently, I didn't recommend any console based downloader for video/audio leeching. I recommended a friendly plugin for firefox; nice little 'gui' based thing. No promises it works with the latest POS mozilla released as I don't run that on this machine, because I like the plugins I have. I must agree with you that the youtube downloader I use puts the results in the current working directory. Sigh. You'd think with a billion options, one of them would be for where the output should go. Looking at the manpage, it has "--ouput TEMPLATE", where the template template format is a mystery to me as of this date. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn , "M.L."
wrote: Is there a GUI for this "youtube-dl.exe" that would save all that typing (especially with the addition of destination specification)? youtube-dlG frontend (portable) https://github.com/MrS0m30n3/youtube-dl-gui youtube-dl-gui 1.52 (portable) https://www.videohelp.com/software/youtube-dl-gui yaYTDLFrontend (java portable) https://bitbucket.org/qwertz19281/yaytdlfrontend/src Thanks for the URLs of those youtube downloader GUIs. The problem (for me) with those GUIs (which is stated elsewhere in this thread), is that they require Python or Java, neither of which I want on my system. However, for others who aren't allergic to Python and Java, they are probably perfectly workable GUIs. Thanks for increasing the tribal knowledge of the group with actual URLs. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
/nIn vTmkB66N, Diesel
wrote: One individual in particular seems to be of the mistaken impression that if you value your privacy online, you must have something to hide. Your point is valid, in that it's very few people who think that anyone who changes nyms and headers is a troll simply because they change nyms and headers. They're just like the people who think all Muslims are terrorists. A troll has to actually troll to be a troll. And, there's no concept of privacy online either. True. As every Uesnet post is scooped up ... But... Privacy depends on the adversary, does it not? If the adversary is a state-sponsored or otherwise well-funded criminal organization, you'd better not go anywhere near the Internet. However, if the adversary is a commercial bot, then you can likely avoid being pulled out of the agglomeration simply by changing headers. If I wanted to, I'd change my writing style, which would add a second level of privacy (but at greater effort). The cost of privacy is always in the effort involved. Obviously the individual is mistaken on both counts. I also warn you in advance, if you disagree with the individual concerning the above two matters, they take it personally and seek to learn more about you, if possible. Under the false guise of 'hunting bad guys' as, obviously to them, only bad guys feel a need to be private. The nym of Goodguy is one of those psychopaths, who keeps a log of each one of us, with our headers and nntp posting hosts as his correlation. Plenty more sociopaths on the nntp-related newsgroup alt.free.newsservers. http://tinyurl.com/alt-free-newsservers My signature contains more information about the individual I've briefly described above and I strongly encourage you to become acquainted with the material offered. Thanks. The one thing they would hate is someone doing to them what they habitually do to others - so you did the right thing. Kudos to you. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe isfor Android?
Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-01-03 12:41, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [...] When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do*NOT* know where it puts it. [...] Tools - Options - General - Downloads - Save Files To... You're forgetting (I do this all the time), that some users aren't even aware there is a "menu bar" :-) This is why they can't find it on their own. The missing step, for those playing along at home, is to make a right-click on the top of the Firefox window, and the right-click menu offers a "Menu Bar" item. When you select that, a return visit later will have a tick box indicating you're enabled the Menu Bar at the top of the window. Note that the entire surface of the top bar is not "active", so you have to move the mouse around and try a few times, until you hit the ticklish spot. It's the modern "Easter Egg" design method for GUIs. After you've done that, you can follow Wolfs path-to-victory. When I offer Firefox help, I get this all the time. "What menu bar are you talking about?" :-) Well, there is one. You just have to play peek-a-boo with the interface to get it. ******* And at least a couple browsers, offer access to things from the URL bar. about:this about:that Firefox has aboutlugins about:config === *Danger. No Undo!!! Do not delete entries in there* Chrome is even more "generous", Easter Egg Heaven. http://www.thewindowsclub.com/hidden-chrome-urls chrome://plugins chrome://flags http://www.thewindowsclub.com/google...ttings-windows It's a good thing modern users enjoy "treasure hunts". HTH, Paul |
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"Joe Scotch" wrote
So, other than Edge, all the other browsers have a switch to just ASK where you want to put each file (which is exactly what I want since each file has a separate place it belongs). MS software tends to be that way, assuming that most people will never figure out the file system so files should be put into the personal docs folder. Also, most corporate employees will have no choice. They don't have permission anywhere else. The down side is that it creates a high bar for figuring things out. As any MS Word user where they keep their DOCs. Most will say, "I don't know, but Word knows." |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:58:03 -0500, Paul wrote:
Wolf K wrote: On 2018-01-03 12:41, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [...] When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do*NOT* know where it puts it. [...] Tools - Options - General - Downloads - Save Files To... You're forgetting (I do this all the time), that some users aren't even aware there is a "menu bar" :-) This is why they can't find it on their own. The missing step, for those playing along at home, is to make a right-click on the top of the Firefox window, and the right-click menu offers a "Menu Bar" item. When you select that, a return visit later will have a tick box indicating you're enabled the Menu Bar at the top of the window. Note that the entire surface of the top bar is not "active", so you have to move the mouse around and try a few times, until you hit the ticklish spot. It's the modern "Easter Egg" design method for GUIs. After you've done that, you can follow Wolfs path-to-victory. When I offer Firefox help, I get this all the time. "What menu bar are you talking about?" :-) Well, there is one. You just have to play peek-a-boo with the interface to get it. Another way to get to the Options page in Firefox is to click the 'hamburger' icon and select Options from the little window that opens. Phone users will know what the hamburger looks like. I *think* that's always available, and without any ticklish tricks. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe isfor Android?
Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:58:03 -0500, Paul wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2018-01-03 12:41, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [...] When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do*NOT* know where it puts it. [...] Tools - Options - General - Downloads - Save Files To... You're forgetting (I do this all the time), that some users aren't even aware there is a "menu bar" :-) This is why they can't find it on their own. The missing step, for those playing along at home, is to make a right-click on the top of the Firefox window, and the right-click menu offers a "Menu Bar" item. When you select that, a return visit later will have a tick box indicating you're enabled the Menu Bar at the top of the window. Note that the entire surface of the top bar is not "active", so you have to move the mouse around and try a few times, until you hit the ticklish spot. It's the modern "Easter Egg" design method for GUIs. After you've done that, you can follow Wolfs path-to-victory. When I offer Firefox help, I get this all the time. "What menu bar are you talking about?" :-) Well, there is one. You just have to play peek-a-boo with the interface to get it. Another way to get to the Options page in Firefox is to click the 'hamburger' icon and select Options from the little window that opens. Phone users will know what the hamburger looks like. I *think* that's always available, and without any ticklish tricks. This could be true. However, for me, once the Menu Bar is exposed, it's a "feeling of relief at seeing something familiar". I know that two or three "menu probes" and it will all come back to me. Even if they've moved a bit of the furniture to further their own objectives. Paul |
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"Char Jackson" wrote
| Another way to get to the Options page in Firefox is to click the | 'hamburger' icon and select Options from the little window that opens. | Phone users will know what the hamburger looks like. | | I *think* that's always available, and without any ticklish tricks. | That's another kind of ticklish trick. It's disastrous design in that there's nothing intuitive, or even attention-getting, about the hamburger icon. It's just a misguided streamlining fetish. The same thing on webpages makes them break completely without javascript, yet serves no useful purpose. |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 03:23:47 -0500, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:58:03 -0500, Paul wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2018-01-03 12:41, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [...] When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do*NOT* know where it puts it. [...] Tools - Options - General - Downloads - Save Files To... You're forgetting (I do this all the time), that some users aren't even aware there is a "menu bar" :-) This is why they can't find it on their own. The missing step, for those playing along at home, is to make a right-click on the top of the Firefox window, and the right-click menu offers a "Menu Bar" item. When you select that, a return visit later will have a tick box indicating you're enabled the Menu Bar at the top of the window. Note that the entire surface of the top bar is not "active", so you have to move the mouse around and try a few times, until you hit the ticklish spot. It's the modern "Easter Egg" design method for GUIs. After you've done that, you can follow Wolfs path-to-victory. When I offer Firefox help, I get this all the time. "What menu bar are you talking about?" :-) Well, there is one. You just have to play peek-a-boo with the interface to get it. Another way to get to the Options page in Firefox is to click the 'hamburger' icon and select Options from the little window that opens. Phone users will know what the hamburger looks like. I *think* that's always available, and without any ticklish tricks. This could be true. However, for me, once the Menu Bar is exposed, it's a "feeling of relief at seeing something familiar". I know that two or three "menu probes" and it will all come back to me. Even if they've moved a bit of the furniture to further their own objectives. I meant to add that pressing the Alt key will temporarily unhide the menu bar if it's normally hidden. Press Alt a second time to hide it again. That's ticklish too, though. What's intuitive about pressing Alt to see a menu bar? I don't even understand the purpose of being able to hide the menu bar on a PC platform. Is that a carryover from the phablet ecosystem, where screen real estate is at a premium? |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:11:59 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: On 2018-01-03 12:41, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [...] When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do*NOT* know where it puts it. [...] Tools - Options - General - Downloads - Save Files To... I have mine set to ask me, but there is a default, and I do not know what it is in the sense that I would not know where to look if I did not specify the directory. I download to various locations depending on the item. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Is there an ad-free YouTube clone for Windows like NewPipe is for Android?
On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:46:47 -0800, Gene Wirchenko
wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:11:59 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2018-01-03 12:41, Gene Wirchenko wrote: [...] When I download in Firefox, I always specify the destination. Otherwise, I do*NOT* know where it puts it. [...] Tools - Options - General - Downloads - Save Files To... I have mine set to ask me, but there is a default, and I do not know what it is in the sense that I would not know where to look if I did not specify the directory. You'd simply go look at the default. ;-) I download to various locations depending on the item. Same here, but I know what my default save location is and I sometimes use it. |
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