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Old August 10th 18, 06:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30 NPAPI
and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the two, and do
I need both?

I suspect that one is a developer version, and the other a run-time, but
what do I know.

TIA
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Old August 10th 18, 09:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ralph Fox
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:01:00 GMT, Tim wrote:

While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30 NPAPI
and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the two, and do
I need both?



NPAPI is for Mozilla Firefox and browsers based on Mozilla Firefox/Gecko code,
for example, SeaMonkey, GNU IceCat, Waterfox.

PPAPI is for Google Chrome and browsers based on Google Chromium code, for
example, Opera (recent versions), SRware Iron, Yandex Browser.

Which one(s) you need depend on which browser(s) you have.


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Old August 10th 18, 10:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Tim wrote:
While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30 NPAPI
and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the two, and do
I need both?

I suspect that one is a developer version, and the other a run-time, but
what do I know.

TIA


NPAPI is for Firefox.

PPAPI is for SrWare Iron (a Chrome-clone).
And apparently for Opera Browser too.

Google Chrome would actually update its own PPAPI
privately (that's what "embedded" means). It's only
"Chrome-clones" where the auto-updater is removed,
where manual PPAPI updating is required.

The N in NPAPI is traceable to "Netscape", which is
a grandparent to this stuff.

The table at the bottom of the page here, hints at
how many unique cases there are.

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/

Windows 10 will take care of the Flash in IE11
and the Flash in MSEdge for you. There should be
a separate entry in Windows Update History listing
for it, when it comes in. It's not normally in the
Cumulative, because Flash is an Adobe product,
not an MS product, and packaging it in with
masses of Microsoft software wouldn't be the
right thing to do.

Paul
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Old August 10th 18, 12:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Tim schreef op 10-08-2018
in :
While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30
NPAPI and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the
two, and do I need both?


Flash is obsolete, nowadays you shouldn't need flash at all.

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Old August 10th 18, 08:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Tim[_10_]
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Paul wrote in news
Tim wrote:
While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30
NPAPI and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the
two, and do I need both?

I suspect that one is a developer version, and the other a run-time,
but what do I know.

TIA


NPAPI is for Firefox.

PPAPI is for SrWare Iron (a Chrome-clone).
And apparently for Opera Browser too.

Google Chrome would actually update its own PPAPI
privately (that's what "embedded" means). It's only
"Chrome-clones" where the auto-updater is removed,
where manual PPAPI updating is required.

The N in NPAPI is traceable to "Netscape", which is
a grandparent to this stuff.

The table at the bottom of the page here, hints at
how many unique cases there are.

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/

Windows 10 will take care of the Flash in IE11
and the Flash in MSEdge for you. There should be
a separate entry in Windows Update History listing
for it, when it comes in. It's not normally in the
Cumulative, because Flash is an Adobe product,
not an MS product, and packaging it in with
masses of Microsoft software wouldn't be the
right thing to do.

Paul

I have to admit I am still a die-hard Firefox user, and haven't used IE
or Edge in a long, long time. I jump to Chrome when Firefox has a problem
playing back some video. They complain about my adblocker, but I have it
turned off for those sites, but they still won't play.

So I guess I need to keep both versions around. That's what I needed to
know. Thanks
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Old August 10th 18, 09:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Machiel de Wit wrote:
Tim schreef op 10-08-2018
in :
While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30
NPAPI and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the
two, and do I need both?


Flash is obsolete, nowadays you shouldn't need flash at all.


And some web sites still require it.
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Old August 10th 18, 10:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Ant
wrote:

Flash is obsolete, nowadays you shouldn't need flash at all.


And some web sites still require it.


almost none, and those that do aren't worth the effort.
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Old August 10th 18, 10:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Tim wrote:

While upgrading Flash today, I found that I have both Flash Player 30 NPAPI
and Flash Player 30 PPPAPI. What is the difference between the two, and do

^^^___ one too many P's
I need both?

I suspect that one is a developer version, and the other a run-time, but
what do I know.


PPAPI is Google's Pepper Flash; see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPAPI#PPAPI

Although you never mentioned which web browsers you installed, you have
Google Chrome or a variant thereof to have Pepper Flash along with
Firefox or a variant thereof to have the NPAPI Flash plug-in. Although
Mozilla removed all NPAPI support in Firefox as of version 52, they
still support their own embedded Flash NPAPI plugin. However, Mozilla
will migrate to Pepper Flash; see:

https://www.infoworld.com/article/31...lash-pdfs.html

Except the Mortar Project is dead; see:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mortar_Project
(Click on the History tab to see no updates from Oct 2016 to Apr 2018,
and there is nothing under the Discussion tab.)

"in Gecko" refers to the rendering engine in Firefox. I did find:

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Mee...r_.28PDFium.29

which indicates Mozilla doesn't consider PPAPI as a long-lived solution.
The commenter gives no evidence as to why PPAPI "isn't future-proof".
Hell, what is? Mozilla has changed rendering engines, plug-in support,
extension support (from XUL/COM to WebExtensions), and so on. So
they're going to whine that someone else's API won't last forever, too?
It does appear Mozilla did get PDFium (Google's Pepper Flash) into
Firefox (don't know as of which release) but decide to stop wasting time
trying to migrate to Pepper Flash.

https://techdows.com/2016/09/firefox...r-project.html

So, apparently Mozilla will go forward with their own interal plug-ins
for Flash. I can see why Mozilla wants to eventually kill off Flash
instead of keeping it alive by using Pepper Flash (but which is more
secure than the NPAPI model). Flash is dying (or is dead depending on
with whom you speak).

HTML5 video has supplanted Flash. Sites should have transformed their
Flash content to HTML5 video. Alas, many sites are slow or don't have
the resources to do the transforms, so a lot of sites still have lots of
Flash content. Some continue to carry Flash content for archival
reasons. Sites have had many years to convert from Flash to other
streaming media format but will not until they detect the death of their
site from lack of visitation due to users leaving that refuse to allow
Flash to run in their web clients.

In both Google Chrome and Firefox, I have Flash disabled. I don't even
see the old embedded Flash plug-in in Firefox 68. I went to
https://www.whatismybrowser.com/dete...lash-installed which reports
is not enabled or not installed, yet I see no option in Firefox to
enable/disable Flash support. Guess Mozilla removed their embedded
Flash plug-in awhile ago. C:\Windows\System32\Macromed\Flash doesn't
exist under which was the .dll file for the Flash player. I uninstalled
the external Flash plug-in from Adobe a long time ago and apparently
Mozilla got rid their embedded plug-in.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...lugins/Roadmap
https://blog.mozilla.org/futurerelea...lash-end-life/

Mozilla intends to dump all Flash support as of sometime in 2020 (less
than 2 years from now). Even Adobe will discontinue updating their
Flash plug-in.

Google still has its Pepper Flash (aka Flash PPAPI) but I have that
option disabled. However, Google is going to kill off Flash support,
too, and perhaps why Mozilla decided to kill their Mortar Project after
getting in the PDFium library - and probably what the Mozilla wiki
author meant when he said Pepper Flash (PPAPI) "isn't future proof".

https://www.chromium.org/flash-roadm...coming-Changes

Even if you don't like the "Flash is dead" proclamation, Flash is a fish
on land that isn't even flopping around but gulping at water (to push
water over its gills) that isn't there. Flash *is* dead. We just have
to wait for the corpse to rot away.
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Old August 11th 18, 12:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:
In article , Ant
wrote:


Flash is obsolete, nowadays you shouldn't need flash at all.


And some web sites still require it.


almost none, and those that do aren't worth the effort.


LOL. Like Netgear, Homestar Runner, etc.? :P
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Old August 11th 18, 12:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Ant
wrote:

Flash is obsolete, nowadays you shouldn't need flash at all.

And some web sites still require it.


almost none, and those that do aren't worth the effort.


LOL. Like Netgear, Homestar Runner, etc.? :P


where is there flash on netgear's site?

homestar claims to be rewriting their site. they're a bit late to the
party. their loss.
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Old August 11th 18, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:
In article , Ant
wrote:


Flash is obsolete, nowadays you shouldn't need flash at all.

And some web sites still require it.


almost none, and those that do aren't worth the effort.


LOL. Like Netgear, Homestar Runner, etc.? :P


where is there flash on netgear's site?


https://arlo.netgear.com/ (after logging in),
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Fea...g/td-p/1026969,
https://www.google.com/search?q=netg...flash+required, etc. Yes,
it's dumb/lame from a security company. I also have seen a few job sites
still requiring it too.

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