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"Mark Lloyd" wrote
| | I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected | to lift the toilet seat first. | | I never understood that problem. It seems a lot easier to LOOK where | you're sitting than to try to manipulate others, and blame them for your | problem. | Yes. That was just a joke. But maybe you're referring to women who complain? I always thought penis envy was a silly idea until I shared an apt with women who got very worked up about the toilet seat being left up. It *really* bugged them. Jealousy over the male convenience seemed to be the only credible reason. Having grown up with only brothers I'd never thought about it. You just adjust the seat and cover as necessary when you arrive and the next person does the same. But these women were seething. So I thought about it and decided that the most proper and neat approach, without getting into sexual politics, would be to always close the cover after use. I've done that ever since. But do the angry feminists bother to close the cover? Noooooooo. They do just as I did previously, leaving the toilet state in whatever way they'd finished with it. Lazy, sexist buggers. |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote
| BTW2, I do have a XP installation, for several reasons, including | checking on the latest versions of browsers that run in XP (so I can put | this information on my webpage). It's also a way to run older MSIE. | For what it's worth, I find that there's no need to think about OS. My pages work in all versions of all browsers except IE, as far as I know. I test them periodically. But I also don't use script. For IE I use a bit of script and design for quirks mode. That means the pages display dependably in IE5-10 and in IE11 if people set an exception for the domain. (I have no intention of accommodating Edge.) So I have two separate versions of the pages that I load dynamically with php. (Plus a 3rd version that says, "Sorry, but Edge won't work. Use *any* other browser.") If you don't use quirks mode it's a nightmare. But you probably know that. |
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Mark ,
I got a lot of vague problem statements. One was "it doesn't print". The user would refuse to give any more information. A colleague of mine, directly opposite of me, had a problem with his 'puter. So I ask "whats on your screen" (text, as this was when DOS was in its prime). The reply ? "Nothing". I ask again, "There is really *nothing* on your screen ? There should be." Reply: "Nope, nothing." I knew that that could not be true, so I walk around, see the informational message I wanted him to read, point him to it and ask "and whats this than ?" The response ? "Yeah, besides that". It has served me, over the years, as a reminder that people are not to be trusted when you ask them for pertinent information regarding a computer. ... and never thought to try anything else I think thats where the famous ".. or you you plug it in" joke comes from. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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David,
At the least, SeaMonkey does not protect me from things from which I definitely do NOT want any protection In other things it seems to be nannying and worse: as-braindead as FF (52 ESR) is: Quote:
But even though I disable it, they fully ignore it and call back to the mothership regardless - for lists I will never use. Why ? :-( Its comparable to FF 52s NewTab tiles: even when you disable them and set it to a "blank page", it will *still* visit all the stored URLs to make screenshots from them (and to add insult to injury: while purposely disabeling all plugins and by it all kinds of protections the user has choosen to install with them - I never visit, directly or indirectly, servers from, for example, doubleclick. But NewTab does). It also means that SeaMonkey seems to fail at pretty-much the same points for why I want to ditch FF 52 for something else. In short, not a good replacement (just exchanging one mothership for another). Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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R.Wieser wrote on 12/08/2018 11:35 PM:
Daniel60, The moderator of the mozilla.support.* groups maintains that ... Too bad that that isn't made clear in those newsgroups themselves. Did you also note my suggestion about a mozilla.dev.apps.firefox newsgroup?? No such newsgroup exists. Yeap, just checked. You're right. I wonder why not!! Therse is exactly *one* newsgroup with "firefox" in its name, and it is aimed at people using the product, not at any kind of programmer. In other words, its of no use to me. Firefox has deviated from SeaMonkey Browser! Lets hope they are enough of the same that the devs could give me a bit of a pointer. Heck, even knowing how SeaMonkey deals with it is more than I currently have. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser Then my other suggestion, irc, might be the go!! irc://moznet/firefox "Topic for #firefox is “Firefox community & support channel || Permission isn't needed to ask your question. If well after asking nobody responds, say "help!" or try http://support.mozilla.org || Get Firefox from http://mozilla.org/firefox || This channel is logged at https://mozilla.logbot.info/firefox” -- Daniel |
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 11:09:16 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:
It also means that SeaMonkey seems to fail at pretty-much the same points for why I want to ditch FF 52 for something else. In short, not a good replacement (just exchanging one mothership for another). Pale Moon? http://www.palemoon.org/ https://forum.palemoon.org/ -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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"R.Wieser" wrote
| | But even though I disable it, they fully ignore it and call back to the | mothership regardless - for lists I will never use. Why ? :-( | For what it's worth, I always remove all URLs in about:config. Safe browsing updates is one of those. | Its comparable to FF 52s NewTab tiles: even when you disable them and set it | to a "blank page", it will *still* visit all the stored URLs to make | screenshots from them I'm using FF52 with a custom homepage. I'm not aware of it calling home to anything. But again, it might help to remove URLs in prefs. | I never visit, directly or indirectly, | servers from, for example, doubleclick. But NewTab does). | Why don't you have doubleclick in your HOSTS file? |
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Peter,
I see you've changed the follow-up to alt.windows7.general. I do not visit that newsgroup (guess which newsgroup I'm reading and posting in :-) ). Further communication would therefore be rather hard ... Also, you DO NOT DO THAT. At least not without clearly mentioning it. As for your suggestion : Pale Moon? I see that the last version for XP (which is what I'm running) is version 26.5.0 from 09/16 (two years old). Apart from some "we fixed issue X" entries there is no indication which features it has (features I want/need, but also features I definitily do *not* want). As such I cannot say if it would be better (or worse!) than what I currently have. So thank you, but I don't think "I will just hope for the best" and replace my functioning browser with it. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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R.Wieser wrote:
Peter, I see you've changed the follow-up to alt.windows7.general. I do not visit that newsgroup (guess which newsgroup I'm reading and posting in :-) ). Further communication would therefore be rather hard ... Also, you DO NOT DO THAT. At least not without clearly mentioning it. As for your suggestion : Pale Moon? I see that the last version for XP (which is what I'm running) is version 26.5.0 from 09/16 (two years old). Apart from some "we fixed issue X" entries there is no indication which features it has (features I want/need, but also features I definitily do *not* want). As such I cannot say if it would be better (or worse!) than what I currently have. So thank you, but I don't think "I will just hope for the best" and replace my functioning browser with it. Regards, Rudy Wieser Posts to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general are archived on Google Groups. Posts to alt.windows7.general are not archived. Crossposting to both groups, should cause it to be archived on GG. The "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" helps ensure it's captured. Paul |
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Mayayana,
For what it's worth, I always remove all URLs in about:config. Yeah, that was pretty-much what I did too (though I prepended all URLs with a "no place like home" IP, allowing me to see when it calls home, and with what). But take care when creating a new profile though, as you than need to do all of that again*. And you better do that while being offline, otherwise you're too late. :-) *you can change the default settings file in the browser\omni.ja lib though. Also, it will not stop those NewTab tiles from connecting to all stored URLs (needs some more tampering of that omni.ja). But I wanted to se if I could get it to behave before judging it though. And that ment that I tried to use its own settings to get it to stop to call out. It turns out I can stop quite a few, but definitily not all that way. And than there is the brain-dead "no matter if you use it or not, we will retrieve it nonetheless" NewTab shennigans ofcourse. I'm using FF52 with a custom homepage. I'm not aware of it calling home to anything. I'm also using a custom homepage. But *every time* I start FF the first thing it tries to do is to connect to both locations as well as tiles. Even though I've set geo.enabled to false, and NewTab to a blank page. Why don't you have doubleclick in your HOSTS file? I did not think I would need to, not with RequestPolicy installed. But yes, I did as soon as I noticed. Though by deleting the contents of NewTab.js (inside the browser/omni.ja file) it will not try to call out that way anymore (actually, I replaced it with a few lines to display my custom homepage again). But actually thats pretty-much the problem: Instead of having a well-behaving browser it "just does stuff" and I have to try to box it in. I don't know about you, but to me that feels like having a guest you cannot trust not to ransack your house. :-( I think I would love it to have a browser which only visits the webpages I direct it too and the resources it contains - filterable (by plugins) ofcourse. Nothing more, nothing less. You know, a *well-behaved* FF. Yeah, I'll just dream on. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Paul,
Posts to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general are archived on Google Groups. Posts to alt.windows7.general are not archived. Crossposting to both groups, should cause it to be archived on GG. The "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" helps ensure it's captured. You don't get it, do you ? By chopping off microsoft.public.windowsxp.general from it I would not see my own post appear, and neither would I see any responses to it. It would be as if the thread suddenly died. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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In message , Paul
writes: R.Wieser wrote: Peter, I see you've changed the follow-up to alt.windows7.general. I do not visit that newsgroup (guess which newsgroup I'm reading and posting in :-) ). Further communication would therefore be rather hard ... Also, you DO NOT DO THAT. At least not without clearly mentioning it. +1. As for your suggestion : Pale Moon? I see that the last version for XP (which is what I'm running) is version 26.5.0 from 09/16 (two years old). Apart from some "we fixed issue X" entries there is no indication which features it has (features I want/need, but also features I definitily do *not* want). As such I cannot say if it would be better (or worse!) than what I currently have. So thank you, but I don't think "I will just hope for the best" and replace my functioning browser with it. You can install it _as well as_ your "functioning" browser; in fact last time I tried it (though that _was_ some years ago, and under XP), that was the default way it installed itself. (Well, I can't remember if it defaulted to making itself the default browser - though if it did, I'm sure you had the option to say no - but it certainly didn't uninstall any existing browser.) Regards, Rudy Wieser Posts to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general are archived on Google Groups. Posts to alt.windows7.general are not archived. Crossposting to both groups, should cause it to be archived on GG. The "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" helps ensure it's captured. Paul Good thinking; but that's justification for _adding_ a 'group, not _changing_ the list (i. e. adding one and _removing_ another). (And even _adding_ should usually be done by including a comment saying you're doing so, though I admit I don't always - except in one group who get very cross if I crosspost even if I _do_ tell them; they like to think they're in their own little world and the rest of the world either doesn't exist, or can go hang. I still _do_ crosspost from there occasionally though!) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Sarcasm: Barbed ire |
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"R.Wieser" wrote
| | But actually thats pretty-much the problem: Instead of having a | well-behaving browser it "just does stuff" and I have to try to box it in. | I don't know about you, but to me that feels like having a guest you cannot | trust not to ransack your house. :-( | Yes. I feel similarly. But it seems to be the lesser of the evils. They keep adding crap like geo-location and push, and we just have to keep track of it. I guess I think of it kind of like.... FF is a flakey but well meaning friend who often shows up trying to sell me some new junk. But my Microsoft friend is usually drunk and probably has venereal diseases. And nothing we do together ever works out. So I don't like to do much with that one. While my Google friend is no friend at all. Just a sleazeball trying to record my activities to sell to someone else, or trying to get me to buy into some product he's getting a cut of. And my Apple friend.... that one can't even seem to find my house. If it did I'm sure it would be expensive or spyware or both. So in context, FF seems like a nice guy. |
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John,
So thank you, but I don't think "I will just hope for the best" and replace my functioning browser with it. You can install it _as well as_ your "functioning" browser; in fact last time I tried it (though that _was_ some years ago, and under XP), that was the default way it installed itself. Ehrmm... That was not quite what I ment. :-) Yes, I'm quite sure that I could install it along with (multiple) other browsers. But I'm have no wish to just download a(n effectivily) random browser and install it, just to see if it behaves better than what I have (if I can that is). In other words, I expect a bit of upfront information about it. Like maybe what kind of build-in extras (next to basic browsing) it does have. Preferrably including which "services" it has that I cannot (easily) disable. That Pale Moon did not have *any* such information was an instant turn-off for me. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Mayayana,
I guess I think of it kind of like.... FF is a flakey but well meaning friend who often shows up trying to sell me some new junk. :-) Not a too-bad description. I do regard it as one of my less trustworthy friends though, ever since they started to cozy up to advertising. If they would not have done that I would probably not even have batted an eye in regard to its "lets call home" behaviour. Simply said: I don't trust them anymore. So in context, FF seems like a nice guy. True. I just wish I could find myself a less complex/conflicted friend though ... :-) Heck, I would probably still running FF with a single-digit version number if the changed encryption standards had not forced my hand ... Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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