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Why is WOW not recursive (and 16, 8 bit)?



 
 
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Old Yesterday, 07:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ralph Fox
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Default Why is WOW not recursive (and 16, 8 bit)?

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:45:37 +0100, mechanic wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 20:59:59 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote:

Microsoft provides free Windows VMs which only expire after 90 days.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/

After the 90 days has expired, the Windows 7 versions can be re-armed a
couple of times. Which gives you more time before you have to start
afresh and re-install programs.


They don't go back very far;


Microsoft will only provide *supported* versions of Windows.

Inside the free VMs, help for the VMs still mentions the XP version.
But the download page no longer has it.

for an afternoon's fun try loading
Windows95 with IE3 into VirtualBox.


OTOH I had no problem installing Windows98 with IE4 into VMware Player.


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  #32  
Old Today, 07:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bill in Co
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Default Why is WOW not recursive (and 16, 8 bit)?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I can't see why they can't be sandboxed/emulated/whatever,


Sure they can. Get a VMM (virtual machine manager), like VMWare Player
or VirtualBox, and install your OS bitwidth of choice in a VM where you
run old programs that require that particular OS.


I got the impression that the WOWs were, in effect, something like a VMM
- not exactly do, hence my "whatever".

A vendor isn't going to continue supporting a product that they
discontinued. YOU become the support team thereafter. It's up to you
to find a solution.


True. I thought the WOWs were tools I/users could use towards that end.

Looks like your solutions are, so far: Run Windows 32-bit in a VM where
you use Turnpike 6 or use the older Turnpike 5 on Windows 64-bit.


I was asking the question out of more general interest; I only mentioned
Turnpike specifically in passing, as an example of even a 32-bit
software that doesn't run under 64-bit Windows (for reasons different to
most).

(I'm actually running it in a real - not virtual - 32-bit machine; this
32-bit W7 SP1 is more than adequate for my needs. [It has well under 4G
of RAM - 3, I think. I don't think 64-bit W7 would give me any
benefit.])


Same here. Actually, I think it's a bit challenging to find a 32 bit
Windows 7 computer, (and if you're looking at the listings on eBay or
Amazon, it's not always spelled out either, for that matter).

I've got the 32 bit OS version (like you) precisely so I can still run a few
old programs at my own beckoning, although admitedly, it's not very often,
anymore. I just want - and really appreciate - having that flexibility.
(Plus I also like having just one Program Files folder to have to keep track
of, and keeping things a bit simpler, in general. I guess you could say
that also includes getting some drivers for some older stuff too, when
needed. However, I expect for most folks, the benefits of x64 will outweigh
all of this.


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Old Today, 11:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
mechanic
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Default Why is WOW not recursive (and 16, 8 bit)?

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:14:41 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

They don't go back very far; for an afternoon's fun try loading
Windows95 with IE3 into VirtualBox.


I have 98SE available in VMware, but I've only run it a few times to see
if it works. It does, but it didn't inspire me to go even farther back
to 95.


What's rather shocking is just how creaky and old fashioned these
systems are. The jump from Win95 to XP seems to be huge, as is the
jump from XP to current levels of Win10.

Getting a virtual machine running with Win95 is rather involved
because the install CDs don't boot(and you need a product ID key, no
30 days grace). After finding a boot floppy image for DOS and
getting win95 to load, the networking didn't work for me (and the
network support tools are creaky). After getting that going I'm
stuck with a 640x480 window and no way of making that larger. The
sites with installer drivers for video won't load in IE3!
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Old Today, 01:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Why is WOW not recursive (and 16, 8 bit)?

mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:14:41 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

They don't go back very far; for an afternoon's fun try loading
Windows95 with IE3 into VirtualBox.

I have 98SE available in VMware, but I've only run it a few times to see
if it works. It does, but it didn't inspire me to go even farther back
to 95.


What's rather shocking is just how creaky and old fashioned these
systems are. The jump from Win95 to XP seems to be huge, as is the
jump from XP to current levels of Win10.

Getting a virtual machine running with Win95 is rather involved
because the install CDs don't boot(and you need a product ID key, no
30 days grace). After finding a boot floppy image for DOS and
getting win95 to load, the networking didn't work for me (and the
network support tools are creaky). After getting that going I'm
stuck with a 640x480 window and no way of making that larger. The
sites with installer drivers for video won't load in IE3!


You can slave up the disk from the Win95 machine to
another more capable VM, and "inject" the downloaded
EXE into the container from there. Then shut down
that machine, go back and boot the Win95 one.

*******

For the really tough cases, you can always switch on
the emulated serial port in the VM and transfer
files across over the serial port.

Paul
 




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