W7 / IE v.? problems...

Hi all

Now, ...how do I get this into a few senetences ? !!!!

As XP end of product life / extended support, (security updates), ceases on
April 8th, I've been doing some trial runs installing W7 Home Premium 32 bit
version, (ROFL) !!!!!!!

I'm getting old, and across all the Windows platforms, (since the beginning
of time!), I'm fed up with HUGELY time consuming PROBLEMS upgrading to a ne
wWindows platform !.

....anyhooo, (on ROBUST and GORGEOUS !!! hardware), I install W7 Home
Premium + SP1, and it does some updates, (didn't keep proper track),
then I install AVG internet sec. suite, and keep updating it until it tells
me that its' up to date, and I install Adobe Photoshop,
and then I install Adobe PhotoShop and MS Office ....and all is fine.

Then I wonder what is awaiting me in the "Windows Update area" and set it
off to install 95 updates, and end up with an IE that is completely broken.
i.e. IE starts up, and I get a white IE window that completely locks up the
machine. Ctrl+Alt+Del to get Task manager up, ...can't get rid of IE at
all.

.....and I finally gave up and re-inserted my fiathful old XP hd !!!

......SO ..any ideas why after allowing W7 Home Premium to install 95
updates IE locks up ?

best regards, Richard

On 01/19/2014 06:11 PM, RJK wrote:
HX

....and I finally gave up and re-inserted my fiathful old XP hd !!!

.....SO ..any ideas why after allowing W7 Home Premium to install 95
updates IE locks up ?

best regards, Richard





I have done quite a few Win7 installs over the last few months
and after all updates have not had the slightest problem with IE.

I am not using AVG on them...MSE is what I put on simply because the
user will not have to register it.


Try disabling AVG and see if IE works

RJK wrote:
Hi all

Now, ...how do I get this into a few senetences ? !!!!

As XP end of product life / extended support, (security updates), ceases on
April 8th, I've been doing some trial runs installing W7 Home Premium 32 bit
version, (ROFL) !!!!!!!

I'm getting old, and across all the Windows platforms, (since the beginning
of time!), I'm fed up with HUGELY time consuming PROBLEMS upgrading to a ne
wWindows platform !.

...anyhooo, (on ROBUST and GORGEOUS !!! hardware), I install W7 Home
Premium + SP1, and it does some updates, (didn't keep proper track),
then I install AVG internet sec. suite, and keep updating it until it tells
me that its' up to date, and I install Adobe Photoshop,
and then I install Adobe PhotoShop and MS Office ....and all is fine.

Then I wonder what is awaiting me in the "Windows Update area" and set it
off to install 95 updates, and end up with an IE that is completely broken.
i.e. IE starts up, and I get a white IE window that completely locks up the
machine. Ctrl+Alt+Del to get Task manager up, ...can't get rid of IE at
all.

....and I finally gave up and re-inserted my fiathful old XP hd !!!

.....SO ..any ideas why after allowing W7 Home Premium to install 95
updates IE locks up ?

best regards, Richard



Now, why would an experienced user do that ? :-)

You don't just "let the damn thing loose" like that.

Look carefully at the updates, untick the Internet Explorer
version updates. Untick everything dangerous looking. Etc.

I also have some other rules I follow, such as treating
the .NET updates separate from the others. I treat the
security updates as a group. After reviewing them to make
sure Microsoft didn't sneak in anything which is not a
security update.

I also "hide" updates I might find, which serve no purpose,
such as if Microsoft was pushing out a WGA notification update.

You can't just push the button and think pleasant thoughts.
Do a little planning first. Let your superstitions rule! :-)
Rub the fur of a black cat while the updates run...
It's one of the reasons I have to keep a black cat
in the house, just for updates.

*******

To relate another horror story, let's pretend you're reinstalling
WinXP SP3 today. You do the install, IE6 is present, and your
OS won't activate. Some HTML code is broken. You have to install
IE8 (from Windows Update), do the activation thing, then uninstall IE8,
to get back to a "clean" SP3 system. So even **** that's supposed to work,
won't work without some unclean activities. I don't generally
install IE version updates, because I don't use that browser.
On my WinXP machine, the browser is used during Windows Update
(as the interface), as well as me connecting to my router
and doing stuff to the router. Those are the only two
activities done with a Microsoft browser.

Virtually everything "Microsoft", is broken in some way.
And it's on purpose. They know exactly what they're doing.
They invented the cattle prod after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_prod

Paul

On 01/19/2014 06:40 PM, Paul wrote:
RJK wrote:
Hi

best regards, Richard


Now, why would an experienced user do that ? :-)

You don't just "let the damn thing loose" like that.

Look carefully at the updates, untick the Internet Explorer
version updates. Untick everything dangerous looking. Etc.

I also have some other rules I follow, such as treating
the .NET updates separate from the others. I treat the
security updates as a group. After reviewing them to make
sure Microsoft didn't sneak in anything which is not a
security update.

I also "hide" updates I might find, which serve no purpose,
such as if Microsoft was pushing out a WGA notification update.

You can't just push the button and think pleasant thoughts.
Do a little planning first. Let your superstitions rule! :-)
Rub the fur of a black cat while the updates run...
It's one of the reasons I have to keep a black cat
in the house, just for updates.


I don't know what I did wrong but I have not had a single problem with
any of the Win7 installs I've done.

Maybe having TWO black cats in my house was the secret.


One of them was abandoned and the other one was feral and born right in
my back yard.

"philo " wrote in message
...
On 01/19/2014 06:40 PM, Paul wrote:
RJK wrote:
Hi

best regards, Richard


Now, why would an experienced user do that ? :-)

You don't just "let the damn thing loose" like that.

Look carefully at the updates, untick the Internet Explorer
version updates. Untick everything dangerous looking. Etc.

I also have some other rules I follow, such as treating
the .NET updates separate from the others. I treat the
security updates as a group. After reviewing them to make
sure Microsoft didn't sneak in anything which is not a
security update.

I also "hide" updates I might find, which serve no purpose,
such as if Microsoft was pushing out a WGA notification update.

You can't just push the button and think pleasant thoughts.
Do a little planning first. Let your superstitions rule! :-)
Rub the fur of a black cat while the updates run...
It's one of the reasons I have to keep a black cat
in the house, just for updates.


I don't know what I did wrong but I have not had a single problem with any
of the Win7 installs I've done.

Maybe having TWO black cats in my house was the secret.


One of them was abandoned and the other one was feral and born right in my
back yard.


....oh ! BOTH of you are corect, ...and Paul's post was as correct as it
was HILARIOUS, ....I'm going to wipe Wipe aforementioned W7 Home Premium hd
and be more methodical during the next attempt !
I was hoping that Ms had finally got it right, and that all would be lovely
!

regards, Richard

On 20/01/2014 00:11:20, RJK wrote:
Hi all

Now, ...how do I get this into a few senetences ? !!!!

As XP end of product life / extended support, (security updates), ceases on
April 8th, I've been doing some trial runs installing W7 Home Premium 32 bit
version, (ROFL) !!!!!!!

I'm getting old, and across all the Windows platforms, (since the beginning
of time!), I'm fed up with HUGELY time consuming PROBLEMS upgrading to a ne
wWindows platform !.

...anyhooo, (on ROBUST and GORGEOUS !!! hardware), I install W7 Home Premium
+ SP1, and it does some updates, (didn't keep proper track),
then I install AVG internet sec. suite, and keep updating it until it tells
me that its' up to date, and I install Adobe Photoshop,
and then I install Adobe PhotoShop and MS Office ....and all is fine.

Then I wonder what is awaiting me in the "Windows Update area" and set it off
to install 95 updates, and end up with an IE that is completely broken. i.e.
IE starts up, and I get a white IE window that completely locks up the
machine. Ctrl+Alt+Del to get Task manager up, ...can't get rid of IE at all.

....and I finally gave up and re-inserted my fiathful old XP hd !!!

.....SO ..any ideas why after allowing W7 Home Premium to install 95 updates
IE locks up ?

best regards, Richard

Install all the updates first EXCEPT internet explorer 10 and internet
explorer 11 and any IE 10 and 11 security updates.
Then install IE10 only, open it, run it, close it, reboot then install
IE 11, open it, run it, close it, reboot the finally install any
security updates that apply to IE.

--
mick

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:46:42 -0600, philo* wrote:

I don't know what I did wrong but I have not had a single problem with
any of the Win7 installs I've done.

Maybe having TWO black cats in my house was the secret.


One of them was abandoned and the other one was feral and born right in
my back yard.

Probably conceived there, as well.

--

Char Jackson

RJK wrote:

Hi all

Now, ...how do I get this into a few senetences ? !!!!

As XP end of product life / extended support, (security updates), ceases on
April 8th, I've been doing some trial runs installing W7 Home Premium 32 bit
version, (ROFL) !!!!!!!

I'm getting old, and across all the Windows platforms, (since the beginning
of time!), I'm fed up with HUGELY time consuming PROBLEMS upgrading to a ne
wWindows platform !.

...anyhooo, (on ROBUST and GORGEOUS !!! hardware), I install W7 Home
Premium + SP1, and it does some updates, (didn't keep proper track),
then I install AVG internet sec. suite, and keep updating it until it tells
me that its' up to date, and I install Adobe Photoshop,
and then I install Adobe PhotoShop and MS Office ....and all is fine.

Then I wonder what is awaiting me in the "Windows Update area" and set it
off to install 95 updates, and end up with an IE that is completely broken.
i.e. IE starts up, and I get a white IE window that completely locks up the
machine. Ctrl+Alt+Del to get Task manager up, ...can't get rid of IE at
all.

....and I finally gave up and re-inserted my fiathful old XP hd !!!

.....SO ..any ideas why after allowing W7 Home Premium to install 95
updates IE locks up ?

best regards, Richard

Fresh Win7 install.
When you do its updates, uncheck installing any new version of IE.
When done with other updates, allow latest IE version install.
Update again to get IE updates.

Since you are only installing Windows at this point (no 3rd party
software) then the only place it will connect is to Microsoft; however,
I would still suggest setting Windows Update to "notify only". Don't
install any security software at this point. The Windows firewall
(along with the one inside your router) is sufficient inbound protection
during the Windows-only plus IE setup.

Personally I'd stay away from AVG but I'm not going into a dissertation
on why. If you feel compelled to go with AVG, just install what is
needed and without all the fluff. I use Avast free but I don't include
everything they want to throw onto my host (for me, just the web and
file shields only as everything else is superfluous or flash).

I'm presuming all those apps you installed did NOT include any add-ons
to Internet Explorer (and which includes many AV programs that want to
install toolbars or helpers into the web browser). If you did install
add-ons to IE, could try loading IE in its safe mode to see if an add-on
is the culprit, especially an old one that has not been updated to
handle the IE10+ frankenjob behavior (the chrome is 64-bit but tabs are
32-bit).

On 01/20/2014 12:13 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:46:42 -0600, philo wrote:

I don't know what I did wrong but I have not had a single problem with
any of the Win7 installs I've done.

Maybe having TWO black cats in my house was the secret.


One of them was abandoned and the other one was feral and born right in
my back yard.

Probably conceived there, as well.




Yes.

The mother cat seemed to be feral

but she survived for many years.


Anyway since I've gotten the cats there has not been a mouse in the
house since.

On 01/19/2014 07:09 PM, RJK wrote:




...oh ! BOTH of you are corect, ...and Paul's post was as correct as it
was HILARIOUS, ....I'm going to wipe Wipe aforementioned W7 Home Premium hd
and be more methodical during the next attempt !
X

snip

Why? If AVG was what caused the problem just uninstall it and use MSE
(or another AV that's compatible with win7)

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 05:13:57 -0600, philo* wrote:


Anyway since I've gotten the cats there has not been a mouse in the
house since.



We've had no cats in this house since it was built, 21 years ago. And
not a mouse here either.

So your experience suggests that having cats keep mice away, and my
experience suggests that not having cats keep mice away. g

On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:14:51 -0500, Wolf Kirchmeir
wrote:

On 2014-01-19 7:11 PM, RJK wrote:
[...]
then I install AVG internet sec. suite,
[...]

That's the problem.


So that sounds like you are against using AVG. Based primarily on what
I've read about AVG, I've also recommended against it for the last few
years, but when someone recently asked me for citations, I couldn't
find any, and couldn't remember what I read or where I read it. Can
you (or anyone else here) help?

On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:29:51 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:


Personally I'd stay away from AVG but I'm not going into a dissertation
on why.


I don't want to ask for a dissertation, but I'd appreciate a few words
about why. And if you could point me to a web site or two that go into
such a dissertation, that would also be great.

"RJK" wrote in message
...
Hi all

Now, ...how do I get this into a few senetences ? !!!!

As XP end of product life / extended support, (security updates), ceases
on April 8th, I've been doing some trial runs installing W7 Home Premium
32 bit version, (ROFL) !!!!!!!

I'm getting old, and across all the Windows platforms, (since the
beginning of time!), I'm fed up with HUGELY time consuming PROBLEMS
upgrading to a ne wWindows platform !.

...anyhooo, (on ROBUST and GORGEOUS !!! hardware), I install W7 Home
Premium + SP1, and it does some updates, (didn't keep proper track),
then I install AVG internet sec. suite, and keep updating it until it
tells me that its' up to date, and I install Adobe Photoshop,
and then I install Adobe PhotoShop and MS Office ....and all is fine.

Then I wonder what is awaiting me in the "Windows Update area" and set it
off to install 95 updates, and end up with an IE that is completely
broken. i.e. IE starts up, and I get a white IE window that completely
locks up the machine. Ctrl+Alt+Del to get Task manager up, ...can't get
rid of IE at all.

....and I finally gave up and re-inserted my fiathful old XP hd !!!

.....SO ..any ideas why after allowing W7 Home Premium to install 95
updates IE locks up ?

best regards, Richard


I've installed Win7 multiple times, both 32 and 64 bit varieties, and
haven't had the problem you're describing. I DID have AVG running on one
build, but uninstalled it, because it had locked in an update loop. This
was the free version, not the paid version.

One (maybe) significant difference in our methods, is that I completely
update the Windows installation before installing any other software.

Be aware that some updates must be installed by themselves, then reboot,
then continue updating.

philo* has brought this to us :
On 01/19/2014 06:40 PM, Paul wrote:
RJK wrote:
Hi

best regards, Richard


Now, why would an experienced user do that ? :-)

You don't just "let the damn thing loose" like that.

Look carefully at the updates, untick the Internet Explorer
version updates. Untick everything dangerous looking. Etc.

I also have some other rules I follow, such as treating
the .NET updates separate from the others. I treat the
security updates as a group. After reviewing them to make
sure Microsoft didn't sneak in anything which is not a
security update.

I also "hide" updates I might find, which serve no purpose,
such as if Microsoft was pushing out a WGA notification update.

You can't just push the button and think pleasant thoughts.
Do a little planning first. Let your superstitions rule! :-)
Rub the fur of a black cat while the updates run...
It's one of the reasons I have to keep a black cat
in the house, just for updates.


I don't know what I did wrong but I have not had a single problem
with any of the Win7 installs I've done.

Maybe having TWO black cats in my house was the secret.


One of them was abandoned and the other one was feral and born right
in my back yard.

I find a 3 legged black cat works best for WIN8.

Ed from Texas