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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:49:56 -0400, Cy Burnot
wrote: micky wrote on 10/12/2015 5:58 PM: Did you look under "Search" and select the appropriate option? Match whole word is checked -- is that what you mean? No. Look further down that menu. "Everything" was dotted (not as noticeable maybe a checkmark). Is that it? All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part: If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe, in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the same path in two other partitions. But not C: !! I know I have it. I saw it in Windows Explorer and it wouldn't work as well as it does if it weren't in the C: partition. I figure out how to capture the name of one of the 6 ones with the longer names. They have names like this C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad_31bf3856ad364e35_6.0.6001.18000_none_6f1a8 d7b6fffbb73\notepad.exe But I see that Vanguard goes into these strange names. Sometimes I think MS has a fetish for long numbers. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 17:08:29 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:35:05 -0400, micky wrote: I'm using Vista, but it seems similar to 7. I wanted to validate my recollection of where notepad.exe resides, so I opened Everything, which I just installed a few days ago because I saw it praised here or maybe some other ng. I only entered notepad and I got 14 objects, but none were the basic notepad.exe!! When I finishedwriting notepad.exe, there were 9, but two were notepad.exe.mui, one was prefetch, and 6 were long names that start C:\windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad, or notepadwin_31bf38.... I later verified that it's in windows\system32. Why didn't that one show up and what else isn't showing up? I've been using Everything for years and every now and then something doesn't show up that I think should be there. I don't keep track of how often, but it feels like about 9-12 months or so. When that happens, I simply rebuild the database and I'm back in business. It only takes 15-20 seconds here. In Everything, select Options, Indexes, Force Rebuild. No, that didn't do it. With a blank search, check the number of indexed files in the lower left corner of the Everything GUI. Mine is 218,636. Rebuild the index and see if the total number of indexed files has changed (increased). My impression was that as soon as I freed up and turned off the 2 drives in the dock, the number was 133,801 but when I looked a few minutes later, it was 134,061.** It had gone up and down a little before settling on that and after the forced rebuild, it stayed the same. But I'm glad to know about that function. Checking for notepad, I have all the ones from before, plus another prefetch, but still not the one I use. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:47:45 -0500, VanguardLH
wrote: David E. Ross wrote: Agent Ransack from http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/ also gave me 19 files. No, I did not check to see if they are the same 19 found by SearchMyFiles. You'll find that many of the notepad.exe instances are in the winsxs subfolders. WinSXS is the Side-by-Side repository to avoid the "DLL Hell" problems encountered with prior versions of Windows. An app's Aha. install may create its own repository and it may include files other than just for the program, like Notepad. Why some author thinks they need an specific and old version of Notepad is known only to the program author but my guess is that they rolled up several ancilliary files to create an image of their program without ever considering if a specific version of a text editor was really needed. Microsoft came up with a means of allowing programs to access older versions of files. That doesn't mean authors suddenly became expert in deciding what to bundle in their installer. By the way, Agent Ransack got renamed to FileLocator Lite. Companies and end users were leery of products that implied they ransacked their computers plus the program didn't ransack anything so it was an inappropriate product name. Yes, I sort of reacted that way. In fact it wasn't until discussion of this program I knew that ransack meant search. My knowledge of English definitions is good, if I say so myself. I'm often able to duplicate a word's definition without looking in the dictionary. But I was pretty far off this time. I thought it meant knock everything around, and if there was searching it was something on the side. But the meaning was there from the beginning. "ransack (v.) Look up ransack at Dictionary.com mid-13c., from a Scandinavian source akin to Old Norse rannsaka "to pillage," literally "search the house" (especially legally, for stolen goods), from rann "house," from Proto-Germanic *raznan (c.f. Gothic razn, Old English ærn "house;" see barn) + saka "to search," related to Old Norse soekja "seek" (see seek). Sense influenced by sack (v.). Related: Ransacked; ransacking." http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ransack " You can use the verb ransack to describe a careful search --- you might ransack your backpack looking for your car keys, for example. " I didn't think that was possible, because there are too few things in a backpack and too little organization to make much difference. You won't have to put the paintings back on the wall, or reset overturned furniture. Just throw everything back in the backpack, takes a minute, so I thought ransacking it would be impossible. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:33:35 -0400, micky wrote:
In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:49:56 -0400, Cy Burnot wrote: micky wrote on 10/12/2015 5:58 PM: Did you look under "Search" and select the appropriate option? Match whole word is checked -- is that what you mean? No. Look further down that menu. "Everything" was dotted (not as noticeable maybe a checkmark). Is that it? All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part: If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe, in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the same path in two other partitions. Why do you have a d:\Windows\system32 folder and why don't you think the copy of Notepad.exe in there is the one you're using? I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just curious. But not C: !! I know I have it. I saw it in Windows Explorer and it wouldn't work as well as it does if it weren't in the C: partition. -- Char Jackson |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
In alt.windows7.general, on Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:10:29 -0500, Char
Jackson wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:33:35 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:49:56 -0400, Cy Burnot wrote: micky wrote on 10/12/2015 5:58 PM: Did you look under "Search" and select the appropriate option? Match whole word is checked -- is that what you mean? No. Look further down that menu. "Everything" was dotted (not as noticeable maybe a checkmark). Is that it? All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part: If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe, in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the same path in two other partitions. Why do you have a d:\Windows\system32 folder and why don't you think the I think I said it someplace that I plugged a couple other HDD's into a USB dock, and that's where D: comes from. Yeah, my second post in this thread, at 5:58PM EDT. copy of Notepad.exe in there is the one you're using? Because the OS I'm using is in C: and I've personally seen the notepad in the C\windows\system32 folder. The dock HDDs come and go depending if the power switch is on or not. I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just curious. But not C: !! I know I have it. I saw it in Windows Explorer and it wouldn't work as well as it does if it weren't in the C: partition. I was bothered by this a lot more until David Ross said he had the same problem, posted by him on the 12th at 6:50PM EDT. I suspect we'll find an explanation eventually. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
micky wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: By the way, Agent Ransack got renamed to FileLocator Lite. Companies and end users were leery of products that implied they ransacked their computers plus the program didn't ransack anything so it was an inappropriate product name. Yes, I sort of reacted that way. In fact it wasn't until discussion of this program I knew that ransack meant search. My knowledge of English definitions is good, if I say so myself. I'm often able to duplicate a word's definition without looking in the dictionary. But I was pretty far off this time. I thought it meant knock everything around, and if there was searching it was something on the side. But the meaning was there from the beginning. "ransack (v.) Look up ransack at Dictionary.com mid-13c., from a Scandinavian source akin to Old Norse rannsaka "to pillage," literally "search the house" (especially legally, for stolen goods), from rann "house," from Proto-Germanic *raznan (c.f. Gothic razn, Old English ærn "house;" see barn) + saka "to search," related to Old Norse soekja "seek" (see seek). Sense influenced by sack (v.). Related: Ransacked; ransacking." http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ransack " You can use the verb ransack to describe a careful search --- you might ransack your backpack looking for your car keys, for example. " I didn't think that was possible, because there are too few things in a backpack and too little organization to make much difference. You won't have to put the paintings back on the wall, or reset overturned furniture. Just throw everything back in the backpack, takes a minute, so I thought ransacking it would be impossible. Esoteric definitions or etymology are not what an author should rely upon regarding the perception of his product. The author is trying to distribute the product today so the common interpretation is what the author should rely. I doubt a clothing store trying to cull customers using a coupon would get much response with "fustian venalis" instead of saying "jeans sale". 2010 build 759, released Mar 15 2010 'FileLocator Lite' alternative branding for corporate environments. This is as much to which the author will allude for the cause of the name change. There was also a problem with recognition: FileLocator Pro versus Agent Ransack were both were products in the same family line but had dissimilar names. They first stated that the name change was to align their product names with each other but did mention they were having image problems, especially when trying to market for corporate accounts, with the "ransack" product name. Many years back when I reported some bugs, they relayed what I described: users, especially companies, did not like the negative *connotation* of "ransack". The issue was not the denotative meaning(s) of the word. Remember that some words are used only within certain contexts. Ransacking your backpack in not equated to ransacking software. While you may have heard about disgruntled employees, when have you heard about gruntled employees or disgruntled pets? Conversation using phrases is learned through use, not by looking up etymologies. Long past, "girl" was a sexless word that inferred a young child. How many people using "girl" today are talking about a young servant boy? |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
Char Jackson wrote:
micky wrote: All of this is moot now, I think. Other replies explained this part: If I select Executable, it lowers the number from 32 (now that the other partitions are connected) to 25, ALL of which are exactly notepad.exe, in lower or upper case, including the path d:\windows\system32 and the same path in two other partitions. Why do you have a d:\Windows\system32 folder and why don't you think the copy of Notepad.exe in there is the one you're using? I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm just curious. After starting notepad.exe, right-clicking on the process in Task Manager's Process tab will show the path to the process' executable. While the old pathing default looked for an executable in the current (working) directory and, if not found there, would use the PATH environment variable to search those paths, in the order listed, for the executable, there is also the AppPaths registry entry listing where to find programs. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\App Paths Each subkey is the filename of the executable. The "(Default)" named data item's value is the path to the executable. I looked in my Win7 setup but notepad.exe is not in the registry AppPaths list. Windows must be using the old pathing default to find the executable. The system32 folder should be already added to the [system] PATH environment variable. As to why there are so many instances of notepad.exe, I already explained WinSXS (Windows Side-By-Side repositories) in my reply to Ross. It is unlikely any app will use those instances of notepad.exe but that doesn't stop authors from programming their installers to dump ancilliary albeit superfluous files into their repository. Your reply cues that micky might have multiple images of Windows on different disks and why Everything finds so many copies of notepad.exe. Could be D: is the drive letter assigned to the currently running instance of Windows and C: is another Windows image (not currently loaded). Or maybe the OP cloned the C: drive (from which Windows is currently loaded) to the D: drive which would mean there would be duplicates of notepad.exe on the D: drive. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:35:05 -0400, micky
wrote: I'm using Vista, but it seems similar to 7. I wanted to validate my recollection of where notepad.exe resides, so I opened Everything, which I just installed a few days ago because I saw it praised here or maybe some other ng. I only entered notepad and I got 14 objects, but none were the basic notepad.exe!! When I finishedwriting notepad.exe, there were 9, but two were notepad.exe.mui, one was prefetch, and 6 were long names that start C:\windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad, or notepadwin_31bf38.... I later verified that it's in windows\system32. Why didn't that one show up and what else isn't showing up? Thanks. Just a thought if one of your disks is FAT 32 then Everything will not search these, it is NTFS only. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
Bob L wrote:
micky wrote: ... I opened Everything... I only entered notepad and I got 14 objects, but none were the basic notepad.exe!! When I finishedwriting notepad.exe, there were 9, but two were notepad.exe.mui, one was prefetch, and 6 were long names that start C:\windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-notepad ... Just a thought if one of your disks is FAT 32 then Everything will not search these, it is NTFS only. http://www.voidtools.com/faq/#What_a...for_Everything What are the system requirements for "Everything"? "Everything" will run on Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8 Indexing NTFS volumes requires the Everything service or running "Everything" as administrator. The OP never mentioned under what type of account he was logged in when running Everything. Without running as a service or ran under an admin-level Windows account, the Troubleshooting section says the result list would be empty or just a list of drives. Since the OP mentions other files are found (just not the one he was expecting to be included), doesn't sound like an NTFS problem. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
John K.Eason wrote:
snipped his post John ) Remove the obvious to reply... That should be in a signature block. Your client did not add the signature delimiter line ("-- \n", or dash-dash-space-newline). Your client does not add a header to identify itself so no one can tell you how to configure it properly when adding a signature (which is usually fluff and off-topic, anyway). |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
John K.Eason wrote:
I specifically keep the sig to a couple of lines Regards John ) Remove the obvious to reply... But you do NOT have a sig - because you do NOT include a sigdash line. If your unidentified Usenet client does not automatically prefix the sigdash line ("-- \n") then you will need to add it as the first line of your signature text. |
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Everything doesn't find notepad, Vista
On 10/13/2015 12:30 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
John K.Eason wrote: I specifically keep the sig to a couple of lines Regards John ) Remove the obvious to reply... But you do NOT have a sig - because you do NOT include a sigdash line. If your unidentified Usenet client does not automatically prefix the sigdash line ("-- \n") then you will need to add it as the first line of your signature text. Per RFC 3676, a signature block begins with dash-dash-space on a line by itself. Newsgroup applications are supposed to strip away that line amd anything after it when quoting a prior message in a reply. See my signature block below for an example. -- David E. Ross Is Kim Davis a hero or a villain? See my http://www.rossde.com/KimDavis.html. |
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