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  #1  
Old February 28th 19, 03:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Art Todesco
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Hi All,
When Windows 7 support ends, what are you all going to do? Pay for
additional support? Or what?

Can we still go to Windows 10 free?

Also, what's the best way to make Windows 10 better? I have a laptop
that came with 10. I've added several "improvements" like Classic
Shell, but it still isn't always good. Is there anything better?

Sorry for all the questions.
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Old February 28th 19, 03:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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On 2/28/19 9:13 AM, Art Todesco wrote:
Hi All,
When Windows 7 support ends, what are you all going to do?Â* Pay for
additional support?Â* Or what?

Can we still go to Windows 10 free?

Also, what's the best way to make Windows 10 better?Â* I have a laptop
that came with 10.Â* I've added several "improvements" like Classic
Shell, but it still isn't always good.Â* Is there anything better?

Sorry for all the questions.

You got it! Live with 7 and no updates, or pay for them till they stop
letting you. Not much else.

Some people are reporting that the upgrade to 10 is still working. A
good backup image of your entire HD before a test would be advised.

There is a thread on alt.comp.os.windows-10 group that just started,
about the 10's menu and making it look like XP.

The basics of the first 10 or so replies is: Classic shell is no longer
developed. And: Learn to live with the current menu since 3rd party
programs may/will come and go.

It's easy to just unpin everything on the menu and then pin the programs
you use the most. The once a month/year apps you use can be found in
the alpha listing. A few shortcuts on the desktop maybe, a few on the
taskbar and you can get to your programs with 1 or 2 clicks.

You probably had an issue with moving to windows 7 but you learned it
after a while, well windows 10 is about the same. Use it for 6 months
and you won't have major issues. But you have to use it, not just have
it somewhere to glance at now and then.




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Old March 4th 19, 11:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dominique
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Big Al écrivait :

alt.comp.os.windows-10


Which USENET server has this group?

It doesn't seem to be on "Eternal".

I'm using an old version of Xnews.
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Old March 4th 19, 11:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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On 3/4/19 5:27 PM, Dominique wrote:
Big Al �crivait :

alt.comp.os.windows-10


Which USENET server has this group?

It doesn't seem to be on "Eternal".

I'm using an old version of Xnews.

And I'm using Eternal Sept too. It's there.
make sure it's -10 not .10


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Old March 5th 19, 12:29 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Dominique wrote:
Big Al écrivait :

alt.comp.os.windows-10


Which USENET server has this group?

It doesn't seem to be on "Eternal".

I'm using an old version of Xnews.


Make sure you update your newsgroup list.

Things could get added to the list, since the
last time you downloaded it.

In the old days, this was called the .newsrc file.

https://i.postimg.cc/9QcwyBWs/refres...group-list.gif

Each newsreader has to implement that function, somehow.

Paul
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Old February 28th 19, 04:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Art Todesco" wrote

| When Windows 7 support ends, what are you all going to do? Pay for
| additional support? Or what?
|

There is no paid support. Nothing has changed
from past versions. If you're a corporate customer
with "enterprise" licensing, you can pay through
the nose for security updates. In other words,
if you're the British navy or General Motors, you
m,ight consider it cheaper to pay Microsoft extortion
rates to get patches rather than scrap thousands
of computers. For SOHo people there's no option.

If you pretend to be running a kiosk system you
*might* be able to get updates. That works in XP
by adding a Registry setting, but may not necessarily
work in 7.

There's also the possibility that MS will extend the
support of Win7, as they did with XP. That all depends
on how much pressure there is from corporate customers.
If most are still running 7, which seems to be the case
currently, MS may not want to risk the animosity of
dumping them. On the other hand, they've pushed 10
very hard. So I don't expect that even MS execs know
what will happen at this point. They're probably waiting
to see whether the threat makes companies switch to 10.

Someone mistakenly posted an article recently
about paid support, but they had misread the source
article. Or maybe they didn't. It was posted by one
of the local MS shills, so it may have been meant to
just be more propaganda trying to sell 10. There has
never been optional paid support beyond the final
support date for SOHo customers. Their intention is
to push old product off the cliff as quickly as is
feasible. Irraitional fear of security issues is one of
the few carrots Microsoft have to get people to buy
new computers.

Personally, I'm going to keep using XP as long
as I can and use 7 for testing software or going
to risky websites that require script. 7 is my
sacrificial lamb system. XP is what I use to get
things done.



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Old February 28th 19, 09:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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"Mayayana" on Thu, 28 Feb 2019 10:52:52
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

Personally, I'm going to keep using XP as long
as I can and use 7 for testing software or going
to risky websites that require script. 7 is my
sacrificial lamb system. XP is what I use to get
things done.


I'd love to return to XP. My tale of woe is that I had XP-32, but
needed 64 bit for Reasons. Windows 7 on a refurbished box, and by the
end of the week, it is on my desk and running. I transfer
"essentials." Rah. Then the XP box starts flaking out, I copy
"everything" to an external drive before it dies. Full time student
(that bit about for every hour in class, expect to spend two out? I
was. I had no time for a girlfriend, let alone troubleshooting a
buggy computer).
Now that I have the time (ha! She's not my girlfriend anymore,
she's my wife. Wives are more resource intensive than girlfriends! but
I digress.) I was thinking about repairing the dead XP box. If I can
get it out of storage and set up and ...blah, blah, blah.

Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
"affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.

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Old February 28th 19, 09:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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On 2/28/19 3:33 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Mayayana" on Thu, 28 Feb 2019 10:52:52
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

Personally, I'm going to keep using XP as long
as I can and use 7 for testing software or going
to risky websites that require script. 7 is my
sacrificial lamb system. XP is what I use to get
things done.


I'd love to return to XP. My tale of woe is that I had XP-32, but
needed 64 bit for Reasons. Windows 7 on a refurbished box, and by the
end of the week, it is on my desk and running. I transfer
"essentials." Rah. Then the XP box starts flaking out, I copy
"everything" to an external drive before it dies. Full time student
(that bit about for every hour in class, expect to spend two out? I
was. I had no time for a girlfriend, let alone troubleshooting a
buggy computer).
Now that I have the time (ha! She's not my girlfriend anymore,
she's my wife. Wives are more resource intensive than girlfriends! but
I digress.) I was thinking about repairing the dead XP box. If I can
get it out of storage and set up and ...blah, blah, blah.

Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
"affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.

Ebay?

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Old February 28th 19, 10:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
| "affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
| Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.
|

If you have a full license you can built it, but I'm
not sure if hardware is still available. At one point
I tried to buy a backup for my AMD FX-8300. (I have
a backup motherboard.) The price had gone way up.
Now I think they may be off the market. I haven't
really been keeping up with developments, but my
sense is that no cPUs now being sold will work
with XP.

If you buy used, I'd replace the hard disk. Most other
parts will last for years. On the other hand, Vista came
out in 2007, so any existing machine woul be 12-18
years old. Not encouraging. But I know of at least
3 people still using XP machines I fixed up for them.
For a long time I was taking any computer someone
wanted to get rid of, fixing it, and giving it to someone
else. (People tend to throw them away at the first
sign of trouble, but the problem is usually minor.)
That's how I got my Win7 box.


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Old February 28th 19, 11:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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"Mayayana" on Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:30:44
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
| "affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
| Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.
|

If you have a full license you can built it, but I'm
not sure if hardware is still available. At one point
I tried to buy a backup for my AMD FX-8300. (I have
a backup motherboard.) The price had gone way up.
Now I think they may be off the market. I haven't
really been keeping up with developments, but my
sense is that no cPUs now being sold will work
with XP.

If you buy used, I'd replace the hard disk. Most other
parts will last for years. On the other hand, Vista came
out in 2007, so any existing machine woul be 12-18
years old. Not encouraging. But I know of at least
3 people still using XP machines I fixed up for them.
For a long time I was taking any computer someone
wanted to get rid of, fixing it, and giving it to someone
else. (People tend to throw them away at the first
sign of trouble, but the problem is usually minor.)
That's how I got my Win7 box.


That's how I got the win 95 box. "The Plan" is to use it for
ripping LPs to mp3. "Someday".

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Old March 1st 19, 07:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Shadow
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:30:44 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
| "affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
| Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.
|

If you have a full license you can built it, but I'm
not sure if hardware is still available. At one point
I tried to buy a backup for my AMD FX-8300. (I have
a backup motherboard.) The price had gone way up.
Now I think they may be off the market. I haven't
really been keeping up with developments, but my
sense is that no cPUs now being sold will work
with XP.


Same processor I use.

I bought a ASUS M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3.
Dual boot Win XP/Linux.

Has the perks of USB3 transfer speeds, and the onboard video
is adequate (I don't do games).
Costs around $70 in the US.
Lightning fast. And since it is perfectly adequate with the
latest Linux, it probably works well for Win 7 too.

Whatever it costs, it's better than losing thousands due to
Win 10 bugs.
Space for Win 10 idjits to comment:



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If you buy used, I'd replace the hard disk. Most other
parts will last for years. On the other hand, Vista came
out in 2007, so any existing machine woul be 12-18
years old. Not encouraging. But I know of at least
3 people still using XP machines I fixed up for them.
For a long time I was taking any computer someone
wanted to get rid of, fixing it, and giving it to someone
else. (People tend to throw them away at the first
sign of trouble, but the problem is usually minor.)
That's how I got my Win7 box.

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Old March 1st 19, 07:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Shadow" wrote

| Same processor I use.
|
| I bought a ASUS M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3.

Me, too.

There do seem to be some FX-8300s around from
resellers. Microcenter seems to have dropped all
of the older lines. And the current price is a lot more
than the $65 I paid. $107-145. I might pay that for
insurance if I could buy it right now in a store. I
like to avoid giving any business to resellers like
Amazon or New Egg.


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Old February 28th 19, 10:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 12:33:29 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
"affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.


Does it have to be physical hardware? I'd recommend going virtual, if
possible. Install your choice of hypervisor, then create an XP VM (or
three). I think you'll find it to be a much better choice than running
discrete hardware for each OS.

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Old February 28th 19, 11:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
pyotr filipivich
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Char Jackson on Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:54:02 -0600
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 12:33:29 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Which brings me to the Eternal Issue: where can I find an
"affordable" XP box which is also not on its last legs? Good Will /
Value Village both have "good" prices but caveat emptor.


Does it have to be physical hardware? I'd recommend going virtual, if
possible. Install your choice of hypervisor, then create an XP VM (or
three). I think you'll find it to be a much better choice than running
discrete hardware for each OS.


Yes and no. Separate machines help me track "where am I and what
am I doing?" Much as I have a separate log in and face book account
for the organization I'm now "responsible" in.

And if I crash the alternate machine, I still have the main
machine (or verse vica).
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Old February 28th 19, 11:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Char Jackson" wrote

|
| Does it have to be physical hardware? I'd recommend going virtual, if
| possible. Install your choice of hypervisor, then create an XP VM (or
| three). I think you'll find it to be a much better choice than running
| discrete hardware for each OS.
|

There are a number of disadvantages to that method.
Expense, complications, and reduced resources, to
begin with. Then there are security issues. For instance,
if you don't want to run Win10 because of the spyware it's
not going to help to run XP in Win10.

It's a great idea for someone like a commercial programmer
who needs to test software on multiple systems. But for
someone who just wants a computer it's ridiculously wasteful.


 




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