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On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 16:18:13 +0100, Paul wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: My monitors (which are nothing special) can show all 2^24 colours differently Some monitors are actually 6 bit, and to get 8 bits for a color gun, they "dither" the pixel on a frame by frame basis, to get in-between colors. And a "hint" it does this, is if the spec says "16.2 million colors" instead of "16.7 million colors". https://www.hardware.fr/articles/498...-couleurs.html It says there, that TN panels dither, whereas VA and IPS are capable of 8 bit color per gun. A hint you're sitting in front of a TN panel, is the viewing angle. If moving your head a bit changes the colors radically, that's TN. IPS has a 178 degree viewing angle, by comparison. You can use translate.google.com to translate the article to English, but for some reason the figures in the article only appear in the untranslated page. So yes, if your monitor is nothing special, it might really be nothing special. The colours don't change, it just gets darker when I move to the side. And whatever it's doing, it's making me be able to assess what colour it is. -- My wife was standing nude, looking in the bedroom mirror. She was not happy with what she saw and said to me, "I feel horrible. I look old, fat and ugly. I really need you to pay me a compliment." I replied, "Your eyesight's damn near perfect." And then the fight started....... |
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In article , Jimmy Wilkinson Knife
wrote: A hint you're sitting in front of a TN panel, is the viewing angle. If moving your head a bit changes the colors radically, that's TN. IPS has a 178 degree viewing angle, by comparison. You can use translate.google.com to translate the article to English, but for some reason the figures in the article only appear in the untranslated page. So yes, if your monitor is nothing special, it might really be nothing special. The colours don't change, it just gets darker when I move to the side. that's a change. |
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 14:54:00 +0100, Wolf K wrote: On 2018-06-02 06:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:06:23 +0100, Wolf K wrote: On 2018-06-01 10:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:21:17 +0100, hah wrote: On 05/31/2018 11:34 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: [snipp] Is he still using girly coloured backgrounds? What color is girly? Beigish pink? I'm male, don't use complicated colour descriptions with me. I only know 8 words to describe a colour. That's not an effect of the Y chromosome, but of a bad education, caused by the general Anglo-Saxon suspicion of anything artistic. I know all about that, I went to school in England, but was fortunate to also go to school in Austria. Luckily for me, the bad effects of the two systems canceled each other out, the good effects complemented each other. No, I'm just not fussy. For example, a woman will say "that colour doesn't "go" with that colour". Why? How can one colour be wrong when viewed near another? Colour perception, the effects of what the rods (brightness) and cones (colour) in the retina report, and how the brain calculates what's out there. Brain function is partly learned, partly hard-coded. The hard-coded part includes the calculation of the "correct" colour when the actual colours (as measured by spectrometers) are different. That's why you see the same colours in the shade as in bright sun. Spectrometer shows they're different. It's really quite complicated. The learned part includes the "men don't care about colours" stereotype. For some reason, some men are more stereotypical than others. Dunno why, but it should be obvious that given any culturally determined stereotype, some people will find it very easy to conform, some very difficult, and most somewhere in between. IOW, the most and least "masculine" men in any given culture are outliers. In most non-Anglo-saxon cultures, well, the ones I know anyway, men are not expected to be indifferent to colour. I have 20-20 vision according to my optician, but choice of colour is nothing to do with my eyesight, it's to do with me realising that it really just doesn't matter what colour something is. I can tell the difference between two tones of colour only one RGB bit apart, but I'd call them both "purple" and not use hundreds of names to describe variations. If I want my room painted a certain colour, I don't care how accurate it is, as long as it's roughly light blue, cream, whatever. I don't go for the Dulux "sunset orange" ****. Light, medium, and dark orange at the very most. BTW, did you know that about 4% of women have _four_ types of cone cells instead of the usual three? Of course you know that more men than women have defective colour vision (cone cell issues). Yes and yes. Actually about 5 years ago I believed ALL women had 4 cones, which explained why they were so damn fussy, now I realise that's a myth and most women are just moany. Ignoring the overt sexism, here's the obligatory XKCD colour survey: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ Essentially there's not a lot of difference between men and women. You're simply perpetuating a stereotype on both sides. FTR, there are colour combinations that, er, disturb me. Really. Why? My point above was that no matter how you perceive colours, they're just ways of you distinguishing one object from another. There's no logical reason to prefer one colour to another, or to dislike one colour being next to another. In purely physical terms of photons and wavelengths I'd agree, but colour perception is a complex and purely biological phenomenon. It is measurable both at the psychological and physiological level. Logic had nothing to do with it. Saying you can't wear a shirt of colour X with trousers of colour Y doesn't make sense. When I buy a car I don't choose it on the colour, it matters nothing to me whatsoever, I go by things like price, power, reliability, size, condition, etc. The only reason to me for having cars of different colours is so I can more easily find mine in a car park. It may not matter to you. That's fine. It does matter (a lot) to many and does have a basis in fact. Here's a bit of background. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...015.00368/full |
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:52:50 +0100, Chris wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 14:54:00 +0100, Wolf K wrote: On 2018-06-02 06:43, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 02:06:23 +0100, Wolf K wrote: On 2018-06-01 10:24, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:21:17 +0100, hah wrote: On 05/31/2018 11:34 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: [snipp] Is he still using girly coloured backgrounds? What color is girly? Beigish pink? I'm male, don't use complicated colour descriptions with me. I only know 8 words to describe a colour. That's not an effect of the Y chromosome, but of a bad education, caused by the general Anglo-Saxon suspicion of anything artistic. I know all about that, I went to school in England, but was fortunate to also go to school in Austria. Luckily for me, the bad effects of the two systems canceled each other out, the good effects complemented each other. No, I'm just not fussy. For example, a woman will say "that colour doesn't "go" with that colour". Why? How can one colour be wrong when viewed near another? Colour perception, the effects of what the rods (brightness) and cones (colour) in the retina report, and how the brain calculates what's out there. Brain function is partly learned, partly hard-coded. The hard-coded part includes the calculation of the "correct" colour when the actual colours (as measured by spectrometers) are different. That's why you see the same colours in the shade as in bright sun. Spectrometer shows they're different. It's really quite complicated. The learned part includes the "men don't care about colours" stereotype. For some reason, some men are more stereotypical than others. Dunno why, but it should be obvious that given any culturally determined stereotype, some people will find it very easy to conform, some very difficult, and most somewhere in between. IOW, the most and least "masculine" men in any given culture are outliers. In most non-Anglo-saxon cultures, well, the ones I know anyway, men are not expected to be indifferent to colour. I have 20-20 vision according to my optician, but choice of colour is nothing to do with my eyesight, it's to do with me realising that it really just doesn't matter what colour something is. I can tell the difference between two tones of colour only one RGB bit apart, but I'd call them both "purple" and not use hundreds of names to describe variations. If I want my room painted a certain colour, I don't care how accurate it is, as long as it's roughly light blue, cream, whatever. I don't go for the Dulux "sunset orange" ****. Light, medium, and dark orange at the very most. BTW, did you know that about 4% of women have _four_ types of cone cells instead of the usual three? Of course you know that more men than women have defective colour vision (cone cell issues). Yes and yes. Actually about 5 years ago I believed ALL women had 4 cones, which explained why they were so damn fussy, now I realise that's a myth and most women are just moany. Ignoring the overt sexism, here's the obligatory XKCD colour survey: https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ Essentially there's not a lot of difference between men and women. You're simply perpetuating a stereotype on both sides. That link doesn't look very official. The simple fact is that a woman knows a lot of colour names. A man just don't give a ****. It's purple, orange, pink, whatever. We don't do "fawn" and "peach" and stuff, we just don't care. FTR, there are colour combinations that, er, disturb me. Really. Why? My point above was that no matter how you perceive colours, they're just ways of you distinguishing one object from another. There's no logical reason to prefer one colour to another, or to dislike one colour being next to another. In purely physical terms of photons and wavelengths I'd agree, but colour perception is a complex and purely biological phenomenon. It is measurable both at the psychological and physiological level. Logic had nothing to do with it. Women may think so, but men are logical and don't have colour preferences. Saying you can't wear a shirt of colour X with trousers of colour Y doesn't make sense. When I buy a car I don't choose it on the colour, it matters nothing to me whatsoever, I go by things like price, power, reliability, size, condition, etc. The only reason to me for having cars of different colours is so I can more easily find mine in a car park. It may not matter to you. That's fine. It does matter (a lot) to many and does have a basis in fact. It matters to women and poofters. Here's a bit of background. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...015.00368/full I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****. A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. -- Some people's brains are purely for life support purposes only. |
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On 06/04/2018 04:42 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
[snip] I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****.* A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. Also, when someone says "a color doesn't go with another color", this indicates a problem with that person, not with any colors. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Operationally, God is beginning to resemble not a ruler but the last fading smile of a cosmic Cheshire cat." [Sir Julian Huxley] |
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote: Also, when someone says "a color doesn't go with another color", this indicates a problem with that person, not with any colors. false. just as some musical notes go together with other notes, so do colours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony_(color) |
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:52:50 +0100, Chris wrote: Saying you can't wear a shirt of colour X with trousers of colour Y doesn't make sense. When I buy a car I don't choose it on the colour, it matters nothing to me whatsoever, I go by things like price, power, reliability, size, condition, etc. The only reason to me for having cars of different colours is so I can more easily find mine in a car park. It may not matter to you. That's fine. It does matter (a lot) to many and does have a basis in fact. It matters to women and poofters. Wow. I think the Middle ages called asking for your return... Here's a bit of background. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...015.00368/full I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****. A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. You're psychopathic tendencies are irrelevant. Colour is a means to *describe* something. You can quite easily identify objects in black and white. |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 01:46:44 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 06/04/2018 04:42 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: [snip] I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****. A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. Also, when someone says "a color doesn't go with another color", this indicates a problem with that person, not with any colors. I must admit I do dislike tunes played out of tune. But that's probably to do with the two frequencies causing uneven harmonics/interference,etc. That doesn't happen with two colours viewed with different parts of the eye. It's not like the colour from your jeans mixes with the colour from your tshirt to make another colour in the viewer's eye. -- How does an Italian get into an honest business? Through the skylight. |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:27:01 +0100, Chris wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:52:50 +0100, Chris wrote: Saying you can't wear a shirt of colour X with trousers of colour Y doesn't make sense. When I buy a car I don't choose it on the colour, it matters nothing to me whatsoever, I go by things like price, power, reliability, size, condition, etc. The only reason to me for having cars of different colours is so I can more easily find mine in a car park. It may not matter to you. That's fine. It does matter (a lot) to many and does have a basis in fact. It matters to women and poofters. Wow. I think the Middle ages called asking for your return... Why? I stated a fact. Woman and poofters are more fussy about colour arrangements. Here's a bit of background. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...015.00368/full I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****. A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. You're psychopathic tendencies are irrelevant. I used the word for comic effect. Clearly I meant psychological. Colour is a means to *describe* something. You can quite easily identify objects in black and white. Not so easily. You can have the same total light output of two different objects which in colour are easily distinguishable. -- Why are there more white people killed in avalanches than blacks? The blacks are easier to find in the snow. |
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On 06/06/2018 07:29 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
[snip] Colour is a means to *describe* something. You can quite easily identify objects* in black and white. Not so easily.* You can have the same total light output of two different objects which in colour are easily distinguishable. and if color vision were useless, animals would have lost it a long time ago. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Doing nothing for others is the undoing of ourselves." -- Horace Mann |
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 06/06/2018 07:29 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: [snip] Colour is a means to *describe* something. You can quite easily identify objectsÂ* in black and white. Not so easily.Â* You can have the same total light output of two different objects which in colour are easily distinguishable. and if color vision were useless, animals would have lost it a long time ago. Many animals don't see anywhere near the same amount of colour as humans. Until very recently dogs were thought to have monochromatic vision although it now seems they can see some differences in yellow and blue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monochromacy And of course many animals are effectively blind. |
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:27:01 +0100, Chris wrote: Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:52:50 +0100, Chris wrote: Saying you can't wear a shirt of colour X with trousers of colour Y doesn't make sense. When I buy a car I don't choose it on the colour, it matters nothing to me whatsoever, I go by things like price, power, reliability, size, condition, etc. The only reason to me for having cars of different colours is so I can more easily find mine in a car park. It may not matter to you. That's fine. It does matter (a lot) to many and does have a basis in fact. It matters to women and poofters. Wow. I think the Middle ages called asking for your return... Why? I stated a fact. Woman and poofters are more fussy about colour arrangements. That's not fact. It's prejudice and stereotype. I showed you evidence which you chose to disbelieve. Here's a bit of background. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...015.00368/full I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****. A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. You're psychopathic tendencies are irrelevant. I used the word for comic effect. Clearly I meant psychological. Colour is a means to *describe* something. You can quite easily identify objects in black and white. Not so easily. You can have the same total light output of two different objects which in colour are easily distinguishable. You can still see what they are regardless e.g tree vs car vs house vs... |
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Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 01:46:44 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 06/04/2018 04:42 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote: [snip] I'm not a psychopath, I don't go for all that ****. A colour is a means of identifying an object, and that's all. Also, when someone says "a color doesn't go with another color", this indicates a problem with that person, not with any colors. I must admit I do dislike tunes played out of tune. But that's probably to do with the two frequencies causing uneven harmonics/interference,etc. That doesn't happen with two colours viewed with different parts of the eye. It's not like the colour from your jeans mixes with the colour from your tshirt to make another colour in the viewer's eye. So what colour was the dress? |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-06-07 13:24, Chris wrote: Jimmy Wilkinson wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 08:27:01 +0100, wrote: Jimmy Wilkinson wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:52:50 +0100, wrote: Saying you can't wear a shirt of colour X with trousers of colour Y doesn't make sense. When I buy a car I don't choose it on the colour, it matters nothing to me whatsoever, I go by things like price, power, reliability, size, condition, etc. The only reason to me for having cars of different colours is so I can more easily find mine in a car park. It may not matter to you. That's fine. It does matter (a lot) to many and does have a basis in fact. It matters to women and poofters. Wow. I think the Middle ages called asking for your return... Why? I stated a fact. Woman and poofters are more fussy about colour arrangements. That's not fact. It's prejudice and stereotype. I showed you evidence which you chose to disbelieve. [...] "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" was "James Wilkinson Sword", but he couldn't hide his prejudices, and was kill-filed by many (I suspect most) people on this group. So he nym-shifted. I was prepared to give him another chance, but his nastiness is becoming apparent again. He can't help himself. It's no use discussing his prejudices with him. He's incapable of using logic on anything except purely technical questions. Even then he seems to be lacking. Sigh. Usenet seems full of these types... |
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On 06/06/2018 05:29 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Colour is a means to *describe* something. You can quite easily identify objects in black and white. Not so easily. You can have the same total light output of two different objects which in colour are easily distinguishable. This is just creepy. "This outcome is exciting because it that tells us that regulating exposure to cyan light alone, without changing colour, can influence how sleepy we feel," https://www.bbc.com/news/education-44565320 |
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