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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
For Carey
see inline Jason, Consider yourself fortunate that your PC never started at all. For some of us it started alright but it also started sending private matters to Microsoft HQ so that the FBI and CIA can scrutinise whether I am into some form of terrorism!! The new SP2 contains a spyware to send info to Microsoft about your habits, likes and dislikes includig what sites you visit etc etc I would sure like to know where you get that info. That sp2 is spyware. If so, spybot would detect it. My firewall would also report outgoing connection. It actual the email they look at. That your isp not Microsoft anyhow. Also, aren't you the one telling eveyone to install xpsp2. Why do you think M$ wants everybody on this planet to have SP2 installed whether or not they want it or not. Even if you are using your PC for mundane tasks such as word processing or spreadshheet, you are required to have SP2 or you will not be entitled to get further updates to your windows system to rectify crashes. Actual the do that with all oses. Greg R http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
Jason wrote:
Hi, I want to put out a general warning to users to not install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it. I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good configuration". I am now restarting the installation again. I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid. The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows. It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be the last until Microsoft can get it right. For all users out there who are debating, do not install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not install this as a complete update or you may be stuck with 4 hours of work and lost data. If only Microsoft could do things right the first time. Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it. Sincerely, Jason And my " general" recommendation.. 1: Made sure I had all the latest drivers for my peripherals 2: Made sure I had all available updates for my software 3: Did a thorough disk cleanup 4: Did a thorough virus scan 5: Imaged my hard drive using Powerquest Drive Image 6: Installed SP2 - stand alone network install. 7: Did a complete defrag of my system partition System is running great, in fact somewhat more robust than before. I have had 1 issue to date, my flight sim IL2 Forgotten Battles w/ Ace Expansion Pack - cannot get it to run. I'll keep trying things and reading forums and hopefully eventually find a fix or workaround, in fact, I find it somewhat of a challenge. Any operating system upgrade, always take care to prepare - be as well prepared as possible, and definitely image or back up hard drive. I image my drive on a weekly basis anyway just in case something does happen - it usually is not if, but when. Hard drives do fail, bad clusters develop, but certainly not because of an OS upgrade. I value my data, so I make sure i keep an image of everything available. There's a risk in everything. I have had hard drives fail for no apparent reason at all. I have had expansion cards blow because of a lightning strike creating a power surge nearby. I had a motheboard go bad once, I had taken it out to put in a new processor, and somehow I must have fried it - I think I bent one of the capacitors enough to screw it up. But, I am not going to put my head in the sand and never upgrade my software, install new software, never upgrade my computer, because of a slight risk. In particular, if something does go wrong, I am bound and determined to find out why, one way or the other, rather than giving up and not doing it. I hate your install did not go cleanly Jason, however I suspect after a little time your either going to figure out why and learn from it, or find out why from someone else that has experienced the same thing. Who knows, it could simply be a bug that gets triggered by a system having a particular kind of chip on the motherboard, that combined with a specific driver for a specific sound card, and a specific version of bios for the videocard, causes a conflict that gets magnified when SP2 installs certain ..dll files. Obviously, I am grasping here, but you get the drift - and if others with the same combo report the same thing, eventually the bug will be identified and fixed. Regards, Don Burnette -- |
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Ummm, I thought it was pretty obvious that Carey was joking.
"Greg R" wrote in message ... For Carey see inline Jason, Consider yourself fortunate that your PC never started at all. For some of us it started alright but it also started sending private matters to Microsoft HQ so that the FBI and CIA can scrutinise whether I am into some form of terrorism!! The new SP2 contains a spyware to send info to Microsoft about your habits, likes and dislikes includig what sites you visit etc etc I would sure like to know where you get that info. That sp2 is spyware. If so, spybot would detect it. My firewall would also report outgoing connection. It actual the email they look at. That your isp not Microsoft anyhow. Also, aren't you the one telling eveyone to install xpsp2. Why do you think M$ wants everybody on this planet to have SP2 installed whether or not they want it or not. Even if you are using your PC for mundane tasks such as word processing or spreadshheet, you are required to have SP2 or you will not be entitled to get further updates to your windows system to rectify crashes. Actual the do that with all oses. Greg R http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/ |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
Jason,
Consider yourself fortunate that your PC never started at all. For some of us it started alright but it also started sending private matters to Microsoft HQ so that the FBI and CIA can scrutinise whether I am into some form of terrorism!! The new SP2 contains a spyware to send info to Microsoft about your habits, likes and dislikes includig what sites you visit etc etc. Why do you think M$ wants everybody on this planet to have SP2 installed whether or not they want it or not. Even if you are using your PC for mundane tasks such as word processing or spreadshheet, you are required to have SP2 or you will not be entitled to get further updates to your windows system to rectify crashes. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Be Smart! Protect Your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason wrote: Hi, I want to put out a general warning to users to not install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it. I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good configuration". I am now restarting the installation again. I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid. The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows. It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be the last until Microsoft can get it right. For all users out there who are debating, do not install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not install this as a complete update or you may be stuck with 4 hours of work and lost data. If only Microsoft could do things right the first time. Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it. Sincerely, Jason |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
- Jason -
I was only making others aware so they can make a better decision when choosing whether or not to install SP2 by letting them know of the problems I have had. These forums are great places to exchange knowledge, experiences, and get some help from your peers. There was no help for my problem besides reinstallation. Hopefully not too many others will have to do the same. - Nehmo - I don't know if I have the *same* problem as you, but I can't boot-up either. An XP repair-install stops with error code 0x0000007B http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;324103 You think it's a BIOS problem? I have Shuttle AN35(N) Ultra m-board Award BIOS Type Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG Award BIOS Message (AN35S00L) NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP System BIOS Date 12/05/03 Video BIOS Date 05/06/03 Company: Phoenix Technologies Ltd. Product Information http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/default.htm Regarding the message of your opening post, I agree. The system I had that died form SP2 was, I'm sure, more up-to-date than 99 out of a 100 machines out there. I've been trying to slove the problem for almost two days. I'm getting ready to fresh-install XP, but I won't install SP2 after that - not until I understand what it is that I have that's incompatable with it. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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- Phil -
Just because your computer has an issue doesn't mean other will. - Nehmo - If the other computer has the same incompatibly, yes. And it's unlikely his arrangement is unique. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
- Huskers -
read the following from Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/s...hattoknow.mspx - Nehmo - Unfortunately, that, along with a lot of other MS stuff on this subject, was written with marketing and corporate-image taking precedence over technical content. For example, what if restore doesn't work after SP2? I'm a fan of MS, but it's beginning to get irritating that it is pretending everything is fine. 888 SP2 HELP must be overwhelmed with calls. SP2 support: http://support.microsoft.com/default...s;windowsxpsp2 -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
Please be informed that the authentic Carey Frisch did not
post the above message! It is the apparent work of a cowardly imposter! Proof: Imposter's Posting Host: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217-72-173-86.pool.access.hc.th.virtelco.com 217.72.173.86 My Posting Host: NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-066-061-051-082.midsouth.rr.com 66.61.51.82 -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User |
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Yes, if he gave a warning, but he didn't. He was telling people not to
install it. That's not a warning, that's trying to convince people not to install it. If he wanted to post a warning, he whould have posted his experience with the install and that's it. So the info on his experience could be read by others, so they can decide for themselves whether to install sp2 or not. "RonK" wrote in message Jason is not spreading Foolishness. I also think that there should be a warning that XP might not boot after installing SP2. Your comment "There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell everyone to not drive cars?" - not the same catagory. Everyone knows before they drive cars that Dying is a possibility. Installing SP2 should be risk free or a least have the warning that it could fail with the result of a no boot condition. I can see computer repair shops will be very busy in the near future because of SP2. Most computer user's don't have a clue how to repair their own machines. Most computer user's don't even know about these XP newsgroups or computer forums. Ron "Phil" wrote in message ... There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell everyone to not drive cars? Of course not. Spreading foolishness is not what a good IT professional does. |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
"Trent©" wrote in message On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:47:44 -0400, "Phil" wrote: There's a risk in driving your car, like dying. Do you tell everyone to not drive cars? Of course not. Spreading foolishness is not what a good IT professional does. There have been instances where auto manufacturers failed to inform the general public of safety issues...because it would be cheaper to pay out claims for wrongful deaths than it would to do a recall. I think we have that kind of hidden issue here. I wonder if anybody might start a class-action suit...in behalf of all the neophyte computer owners who have no idea what a BIOS even is....and do the automatic update and ultimately have boot problems. And I certainly don't think he was spreading foolishness. If you do, you need to grow up. When his info is based solely on one experience, then it's bad advice to tell people not to install sp2. If he gave a warning, that would have been fine, but he didn't. He was telling people not to install it. That's not a warning, that's trying to convince people not to install it. If he wanted to post a warning, he whould have posted his experience with the install, and that's it. So the info on his experience could be read by others, so they can decide for themselves whether to install sp2 or not. |
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Installing WinXP SP2 is a risk
ROFLMAO
"Mark" NONE wrote in message I just want to warn everyone that you should not turn on your computer. No matter what, under no circumstances should you turn it on. If you do turn it on, there is a risk that you may do something that messes it up. However if you do decide to ignore this warning, at the very least do not go online with it, ever. There are tons of viruses and spyware programs out there; going online puts you at risk of getting one of these. I work at both NASA and CompUSA so I know what I'm talking about. Just play it safe, unplug your computer. "Jason" wrote in message ... Hi, I want to put out a general warning to users to not install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it. I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good configuration". I am now restarting the installation again. I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid. The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows. It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be the last until Microsoft can get it right. For all users out there who are debating, do not install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not install this as a complete update or you may be stuck with 4 hours of work and lost data. If only Microsoft could do things right the first time. Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it. Sincerely, Jason |
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Installing WinXP SP2
Please post your hardware configuration. If you happen
to have a Prescott CPU installed, please read the following: Microsoft and Intel have been made aware that some systems appear to have an invalid configuration. This configuration may result in issues after Windows XP SP2 is installed. If your machine is using Intel Prescott processors, the BIOS on the machine may have not supplied an appropriate (production - level) microcode update for your processor(s). You will need to get an updated BIOS for your machine that supplies at least the minimum production level microcode update as shown in the table below (contact your machine vendor if necessary). The machine should not have been shipped with less that these minimum (production level) microcode updates provided in the machine's BIOS. Family 15 (0xF), model 3, stepping 4: Must have a microcode update signature of at least 8. Latest microcode update signature is E. Family 15 (0xF), model 3, stepping 3: Must have a microcode update signature of at least 7. Latest microcode update signature is B. Family 15 (0xF), model 3, stepping 2: Must have a microcode update signature of at least 7. Latest microcode update signature is A. Check your processor details using the utility from Intel: http://support.intel.com/support/pro...s/frequencyid/ The field reported as "Revision" is the microcode update signature. After you install correct BIOS on your machine, the machine will then boot up and your install should proceed. The best advice is to run the frequencyid utility from Intel before installing XP SP2. If your processor does not have a revision of at least the minimum shown in the table above, get a new BIOS for your machine and then run the frequency utility again. An installation of Windows XP SP2 should not be attempted if you are affected by this and do not have the correct BIOS installed. For additional information, visit: http://forum.aumha.org/viewtopic.php?t=7447 -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Be Smart! Protect Your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Jason" wrote: | Hi, | I want to put out a general warning to users to not | install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security | advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it. | I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no | longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good | configuration". I am now restarting the installation | again. | I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for | many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid. | The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you | not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so | it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows. | It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be | the last until Microsoft can get it right. | For all users out there who are debating, do not | install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not | install this as a complete update or you may be stuck | with 4 hours of work and lost data. | | If only Microsoft could do things right the first time. | | Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it. | | Sincerely, | Jason |
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Thane of Lochaber wrote:
Ummm, I thought it was pretty obvious that Carey was joking. He ought not to say such things - even in jest, and even if he omits the [MVP] in his handle. People are only too likely to take it at face value -- Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies) Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit) |
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This a bit of a late reply, but can you possibly use System Restore to go
back to a date prior to the installation of SP2? I set a Restore Point on both of my laptops before installation as an insurance policy. Incidentally, after 8 days running the full program, I have had absolutely no problems. "David" wrote: I am currently working on a friends system that encountered problems with Messenger, Outlook Express, and severe performance degradation after installing SP2. We attempted to remove SP2 using the add/remove programs and now the PC will boot partway and then go into and endless cycle of startup and shutdown on its own. Any suggestions to help correct this would be appreciated. tks... -----Original Message----- Hello Jason, No offense, but this post of yours is stupid. Even when you first install an OS, doesn`t matter if its XP, 2000, or even (if you still have the floppies) DOS 6.22 & Win 3.1, there is no guarentee it will start up properly. I have installed XP SP2 on 2 of my 3 computers, 3rd comp is W2K. I have had no problems on the computers. My W2K has given me more problems then my XP machines. There are days when I have to reboot my W2K and I would get BSOD 5 to 7 times in a row, then after that no problem. So even with a stable OS, you have risks of it not starting up. As a computer tech, there is all kinds of things that can cause your comp to not work one time and other times to work with no problem. Instead of complaining about SP2 not working, why don`t you troubleshoot and try to determine what is causing the problem and then inform others, so they know what to look for as well and try to formulate a solution. As for the risk, you don`t know if your computer will start the next day, you don`t know when your motherboard decides to crap out on you, or your hard drive decides to die. Everyday is a risk, there are healthy people who die when going to sleep, so should I just stay awake cause the risk of not waking up? So it doesn`t matter if people install SP2 or not, they face the same risk with their computer everyday just as you face the risk of not waking up in the morning or just drop dead from reading a book. Jeff -----Original Message----- There is a chance that your computer will not function after visiting one of many of hundreds of off-color web sites also. -- Regards: Richard Urban aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-) "Jason" wrote in message ... Are you kidding? If there is a risk of this happening to others, then I think I should let people know in the hopes that they won't go through what I went through. I'm glad to hear there are so many success stories, and I'm sure the success stories out-weigh the disasters by 100- 1, but the fact of the matter is there is still a chance that your PC will not function after this update. For the average home user, this is a risk they should be aware of. As an IT professional I believe I am doing my due dilegence. All this being said, based on an earlier post, maybe the bios update is the answer, but again I refer back to the avergae home user. If Microsoft is going to put out a service pack, then everyone should be able to install it problem-free, otherwise they should advise the general public. Jason -----Original Message----- On the basis of sample of one you are willing to advise all users? And, you have even done problem determination? Sorry - shame on you. "Jason" wrote in message . .. Hi, I want to put out a general warning to users to not install SP2. Yes, I realize that there are many security advancements and all that, but the risk is not worth it. I have just installed SP2 on a clean install and my PC no longer boots up. Not in Safe-mode, not "last known good configuration". I am now restarting the installation again. I do not know why it doesn't work, and I'm sure for many users it did work, but I know it is not 100% solid. The fact that there is a risk should be enough for you not to do it. I should add that I do this for a living so it's not like this is the first time I work with Windows. It is the first time I have installed SP2, and it will be the last until Microsoft can get it right. For all users out there who are debating, do not install it. Keep the regular updates going, but do not install this as a complete update or you may be stuck with 4 hours of work and lost data. If only Microsoft could do things right the first time. Best of luck to those who attempt it, you'll need it. Sincerely, Jason . . . |
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