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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 05/06/2014 12:44 AM, Paul wrote:
...winston wrote: Both illustrate the problem with media attempting to predict and usenet posts extracting content to substantiate a post title. No matter what the possible outcomes of the baking operation might be, we know the cake will use this for its ingredients. This will help predict what they'll do. http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201203-201405 If Microsoft were to go with an entirely "walled garden", which insures future revenue growth, will developers write Metro applications for an OS with a 7% market share ? That's the question. They're more likely to write applications for Windows 7, at 50.5%. Microsoft has lots of money in the bank, and can make a lot of fumbles if it wants. And if it wants to pursue only smart phone and tablets, that's a decision they could easily make if they want. It might require slimming down the company a bit though. That's perhaps the part they can't come to terms with. But that's how high tech companies work - they have boom and bust cycles. And if you look at Google's strategy ("dabble in everything"), you see a possible recipe to smooth out those bumps in the road. But many traditional companies are uncomfortable doing such things, not knowing how to manage or foster them. Paul You mean like Novell that had lots of cash, eventually went bust and bought out? -- Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but unemployment, debt and discontentment. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 05/06/2014 3:34 PM, John Doe wrote:
Paul nospam needed.com wrote: And if it wants to pursue only smart phone and tablets, that's a decision they could easily make if they want. It might require slimming down the company a bit though. Microsoft competing with Google and Apple for tablet supremacy would be the first real personal computer competition and it would be awesome. Correctly so, no one is talking Microsoft seriously in the phone and tablet markets. Biggest problem is it takes more CPU, more battery and more storage just to run the OS. This drives up a comparable MS solution to twice that of Android. And if you are going to apy so much, why not get a superior Apple device? (Apples run BSD inside, another UNIX variant like Linux). Reality is MS is a non-player. Sure, they will get some zealots but will never be #1. -- Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but unemployment, debt and discontentment. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 05/06/2014 11:43 PM, DK wrote:
In article , "one" wrote: http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...9-release-date -news-and-rumours-1029245 What the collective has heard exactly is that a prototype version is in the works in which a barebones version of Windows 9 will be available for free. For additional functionality, users would have to pay up through a subscription. According to the leaker group, the core of Windows 9 will live in the given system's BIOS, while the rest of the OS will reside in the cloud, ready for picking via various apps and services. (Exactly how much of the standard Windows functions would be left out is what's worrying about this rumor.) Okay then. In about 5 years, when my XP becomes obsolete, I will finally stop dual booting and switch full time to Linux. None of that crap is worth learning how to deal with another round of MS inanities. DK Switch to Linux now, then create a XP virtual system with VirtuaBox. In fact, that is how I tested Win 8.1, downloaded the ISO, mounted it not even creating a CD, loaded it in the VirtualBox and tested it. When finished, no re-install needed, just deleted the VM. Even run Linux as a VM, as its as easy as a copy to a USD drive to back it up. -- Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but unemployment, debt and discontentment. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 06/06/2014 5:48 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per one: barebones version of Windows 9 will be available for free. For additional functionality, users would have to pay up through a subscription. The Linux people must be grinning from ear-to-ear. Yep, no more M$ tax. -- Socialist-statism corruption is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but unemployment, debt and discontentment. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 6/13/2014 6:59 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 06/06/2014 5:48 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per one: barebones version of Windows 9 will be available for free. For additional functionality, users would have to pay up through a subscription. The Linux people must be grinning from ear-to-ear. Yep, no more M$ tax. Do you actually believe MS is stupid enough to try to make Window 9, a system where you rent the components? They are still suffering from the Windows 8 touch screen fiasco. Windows 9 will be a system to bring back all the Windows XP and other users they have lost. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 6/5/2014 6:17 AM, one wrote:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...umours-1029245 What the collective has heard exactly is that a prototype version is in the works in which a barebones version of Windows 9 will be available for free. For additional functionality, users would have to pay up through a subscription. According to the leaker group, the core of Windows 9 will live in the given system's BIOS, while the rest of the OS will reside in the cloud, ready for picking via various apps and services. (Exactly how much of the standard Windows functions would be left out is what's worrying about this rumor.) Excellent business plan and strategy developed by wishful thinking in an ivory tower, considering Apple already offers free OS upgrade and Linux has always been free, and that desktop/notebook computer sales are continue dropping. It would take business more time to leave MS ecosystems because there are more involved than front-end/client-side OS, but no sane consumer will want to pay monthly fee for an OS for which they don't give rats ass in the first place, other than, of course, the blinded royalists. They are helping competitors to build up business cases for why using MS solutions is a sucker's decision. LOL. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:39:58 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: barebones version of Windows 9 will be available for free. For additional functionality, users would have to pay up through a subscription. The Linux people must be grinning from ear-to-ear. Yep, no more M$ tax. Do you actually believe MS is stupid enough to try to make Window 9, a system where you rent the components? Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, so we have to regard it as a serious possibility that the next version could be even more stupid. They are still suffering from the Windows 8 touch screen fiasco. Windows 9 will be a system to bring back all the Windows XP and other users they have lost. Considering the operating system to which some of those XP users will have been lost, Microsoft will have a tough job to compete on price. In fact, having been accustomed to using their near monopoly status just to produce whatever they want, they may have trouble getting to grips with the concept of competing at all. It'll be interesting. Rod. |
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 09:12:52 +0800, xfile wrote:
It would take business more time to leave MS ecosystems because there are more involved than front-end/client-side OS, but no sane consumer will want to pay monthly fee for an OS for which they don't give rats ass in the first place, other than, of course, the blinded royalists. People who buy equipment for big businesses are buying it with other people's money, so they'll always buy safe, rather than buy sensible. That's why nothing will change fast, if at all. Rod. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:47:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:47:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. It's entirely optional... after a lot of work. You have to *carefully* change the mapping of files to applications, to prevent Metro applications from opening files on you. If a person did not know how to "get out of a Metro App" in Windows 8.0 for example, for a person preparing their machine, it would be a mine field adjusting the machine so that Metro would not hop up and bite them on the ass. I'm not aware of any single button that disables Metro and makes it go away. It's still there, lurking... Waiting for one wrong move in terms of configuration, and out it comes. The one good thing Win8.1 U1 has going for it, is at last there is an "X" at the top right of my Metro Apps. So I don't have to Alt-F4 any more. Having that as a hint, is a great help to new users - especially a user just opening up their brand new PC. The Metro App is the future of the Microsoft business plan, so I can't see them "giving up without a fight". Paul |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:34:35 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:47:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. No, not "entirely" optional, but mostly optional. If it were entirely optional, a user would be able to use just one interface or the other, rather than a mix of the two. I would like to be able to use only the desktop interface, but I can't. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. IMHO, that's a big flaw, but by far not the biggest. Compared to Windows 7, I can only think of a few very minor things that Microsoft did right, where right means better, such as the improved progress meter when copying or moving files in Windows Explorer, or the improved Performance tab in Task Manager. Speaking of Task Manager, however, they completely screwed it up in other ways. When my system is under duress, I sometimes can't even load Task Manager, or if it's already running it'll go to a Not Responding state. That's not very useful, and it's a completely different and inferior behavior to previous versions of Windows. That's just the tip of the iceberg, though. When I'm logging onto Win 8, I type my password, then I click the password field to give it focus, and then I type my password again. In previous Windows versions, when you're presented with the logon password screen, the password field would already have focus. A small thing, to be sure, and it doesn't happen all of the time, but there are dozens of these small irritants scattered liberally about. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:34:35 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:47:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. No, not "entirely" optional, but mostly optional. If it were entirely optional, a user would be able to use just one interface or the other, rather than a mix of the two. I would like to be able to use only the desktop interface, but I can't. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. IMHO, that's a big flaw, but by far not the biggest. Compared to Windows 7, I can only think of a few very minor things that Microsoft did right, where right means better, such as the improved progress meter when copying or moving files in Windows Explorer, or the improved Performance tab in Task Manager. Speaking of Task Manager, however, they completely screwed it up in other ways. When my system is under duress, I sometimes can't even load Task Manager, or if it's already running it'll go to a Not Responding state. That's not very useful, and it's a completely different and inferior behavior to previous versions of Windows. That's just the tip of the iceberg, though. When I'm logging onto Win 8, I type my password, then I click the password field to give it focus, and then I type my password again. In previous Windows versions, when you're presented with the logon password screen, the password field would already have focus. A small thing, to be sure, and it doesn't happen all of the time, but there are dozens of these small irritants scattered liberally about. I think MS wants to go mobile and into the cloud and they are in the caboose of that train. This is an opportunity for Linux but I doubt they can provide what corporate Windows users want, especially Office. -- Alias |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:34:35 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. The other option in Windows 8 is a desktop with no Start button, and in Windows 8.1 a Start button that takes you straight back to Metro. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. Yes, that and making the difficult one the default, and making the easy one difficult, requiring 3rd party add-on software to restore a Start button with anything resembling the behaviour that almost the entire computing world has been familiar with for nearly 2 decades. Apart from that, it's not too bad. Rod. |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On 06/14/2014 11:50 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:34:35 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:47:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. No, not "entirely" optional, but mostly optional. If it were entirely optional, a user would be able to use just one interface or the other, rather than a mix of the two. I would like to be able to use only the desktop interface, but I can't. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. IMHO, that's a big flaw, but by far not the biggest. Compared to Windows 7, I can only think of a few very minor things that Microsoft did right, where right means better, such as the improved progress meter when copying or moving files in Windows Explorer, or the improved Performance tab in Task Manager. Speaking of Task Manager, however, they completely screwed it up in other ways. When my system is under duress, I sometimes can't even load Task Manager, or if it's already running it'll go to a Not Responding state. That's not very useful, and it's a completely different and inferior behavior to previous versions of Windows. That's just the tip of the iceberg, though. When I'm logging onto Win 8, I type my password, then I click the password field to give it focus, and then I type my password again. In previous Windows versions, when you're presented with the logon password screen, the password field would already have focus. A small thing, to be sure, and it doesn't happen all of the time, but there are dozens of these small irritants scattered liberally about. In 8.1 if you set it up right you never have to see Metro or it's apps. -- Caver1 |
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Windows 9 will be for rent
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 11:30:37 -0400, Paul wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:47:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote: Well, they were stupid enough to give us Windows 8, a system which abandoned just about every main feature that anybody could recognise, Only if you use the Metro/Modern interface, which is entirely optional. As far as I'm concerned, what Microsoft did wrong is not make it at all clear that Windows 8 has two interfaces, and you can use either or both. It's entirely optional... after a lot of work. Not in my experience. |
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