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  #241  
Old August 25th 14, 12:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 8/24/14 12:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
[]
article is spot on. If over the life of PC1, let's say 5 years, you
spend $3500 in keeping it going, but over the same amount of time Mac1
only cost you $1000, which computer has cost you less money at the end
of that 5 year period after you add in the $300 for the PC and the
$1000 for the Mac? And if you want to keep your operating costs down,
which one would you buy in the future?

Unfortunately, to paraphrase the line anyone selling a financial product
in the UK is obliged to say, "past performance is not necessarily an
indication of future".


I didn't mean to sound like it's an exact science. Just a means of
tracking costs of X, Y, and Z over a period of time to determine if
there's the possibility of a lowering of costs, improvement in work
habits, etc.

Say you oversee a couple thousand of computers, and over the last 5
years you buy 10 different models of Brand A, and 10 different models of
Brand B. Data shows you have recurring issues with 7 of the Brand A
models, and just 2 of the Brand B models. For your next purchase, would
you choose something from Brand A or B? Based on history/experience,
you'll choose Brand B. That's no guaranteed the next model you buy from
Brand B won't be a lemon, but the odds are better.

The idea really works good with labor costs. I once had an employee
that changed the alternator on a vehicle. I asked him if he made a
wiring diagram so he could get the wires back in the right place. "I
don't need one, I'll remember." New alternator came, didn't work. That
eliminated the alternator as the problem, and we went into changing the
regulator, checking wiring, etc. I finally came to the conclusion it
had to be the alternator. Got permission from the supplier to take it
apart to look for a problem. I was just taking the alternator apart
when I looked at the back, and the number of possible points of wiring
connections. 4 possible points, but only 3 wires. Asked my employee
where he'd put the wires, he showed me. One wire on the wrong post. I
told him to put the alternator back in, and where to put the wires.
Worked fine.

When the timecards were entered into the software, we had $1,000 more or
less involved in just labor. Showed that to the employee, and he was
all but crushed. Always made wiring diagrams afterword.

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.

[]
What I do think is, many find Apple products easier to use, especially
if they are not tech savvy. They just want to use the device, not have
to have a degree before it's functional for them. So much depends on


That's a _little_ harsh: I've known people who don't find Apple OSs at
all intuitive: I'm one of them. I think having got used to Windows' way
of doing things doesn't help.


I've noticed a lot of people who are tech savvy or logical thinkers have
problems with OS X. I did. LOL And still do to some extent. Once in
a while, I find myself trying to treat OS X as if it was Windows, and
generally it doesn't work.

the type of human brain the individual has, and their needs/desires.
I've one friend who could never figure out how to use Windows, but has
no problem using her Mac. (Just wish she was interested in solving
some software issues, but that's another story.) And I have another
friend who has a truly upscale Win8 laptop that hates Macs. But they
are two different types of people, with differing wants/needs/desires,
which is a factor usually left unaccounted for when you get into the
Mac vs. Windows arguments.


Yes, that's a fair description: the two different ways of working do
appeal, to rather a simplification but to some extent, to different
kinds of brain - with neither (kind of brain) being _better_.


Relating back to my previous paragraph above, the friend that had no
problem using her new Mac knew right away what "Airport" was. Took me
two weeks to finally figure it out! LOL

As I've posted many times, I've a Win 7/8 computer I assembled that
will run circles around this 5.5 year old Mac I'm writing this on.
But... I have absolutely no desire to move to Windows for my primary


Some of that's probably familiarity, in the same way that some of us
have no desire/intention/whatever of leaving XP/7 for 8, let alone Mac.


Not that at all. My first window based computers were Ataris. Very
much the same philosophy of operation as MS. First MS computer I used
after DOS was WFWG 3.x, then 95, 98. First Windows computer I owned was
Win 98, then XP Home. When XP Home blew up (hardware issues), I looked
at this Mac. Two things sold me on it. The reputation of no viruses,
and the display.

So using Win 7/8 doesn't bother me at all, once I've figured out the
nuances of the newer versions. But, OS X just feels "smoother", for
lack of a better word. Where Windows now feels rather "klunky", also
for lack of a better word. G

computer usage. No Patch Tuesday issues, rare concerns about Malware,
etc. I can be relatively sure I can turn it on and use it, and not
wait for it to finish updating.


Well, I've been using this (XP) machine for some years, and don't
remember any Patch Tuesday issues, and haven't had any malware. I
usually get update delays when I shut down, rather than start up, but I
usually leave it to shut itself down then.


No issues here, either. But, you still have to deal with it. And I
don't. AV software sometimes caught something, but I don't remember
being infected. Some questionable "Possibly Unwanted Programs" would
get installed, etc. Nothing that destroyed everything.

For what it's worth, my tablet is Android. LOL


Ditto. The Apple ones did look a _little_ nicer on the UI front, but not
enough to me to be worth three to six times the price (-:.


I was seriously looking at the iPad Mini, again because of the quality
of the display. I had no interest in a full sized tablet. Then I saw
the Nexus 7, and the rest is history.

[]
For me it's not really an issue. I don't mind dealing
with security and privacy online. I don't enable risky
browser behaviors. I avoid shopping online, and I
would never do anything like banking online. In short,
I don't have any juicy data on my PC for malware to
steal, even if I got an infection.


And this is where you are in the vast minority of computer users. I'm


I guess you'd say me too.


There was a time when I didn't mind dealing with these things, but no
more. I want to use the computer, not have to do anything more than
necessary first.

not quite this conservative, but I do practice a version of "safe hex"
that fits what I want to do. The downside of your level of
conservatism is you are being left behind (that's an observation, not a
judgement) and you are possibly losing out on things that may be of
interest to you.


Indeed. In my case that'd have to be things that would save me time on
things I do already, which I'm willing to concede might be the case: in
other words, I don't have enough time in my life to do the things I
already want to, so new things ...


Ditto, for the most part. But take online banking... It used to take
me over 30 minutes to sit down and write all those checks. Now, I'm
done in 10 minutes or less. And I can keep all my money in a savings
account, and move what I need to into checking for bill paying. I could
shorten that if I wanted, by paying from savings directly. Just don't
want to, as I still have a couple of bills that I can't pay online. So
everything is paid from the checking account. Also, if your financial
institutions allow transferring between institutions, piece of cake.

An example of this for me is delving into local history. Because of
the internet I've access to books and information I'd never even known
about otherwise. It's been very interesting to see how facts of 100+
years ago have morphed into things that never happened. :-)


(Is your access to such matters easier with Mac? Not a loaded question -
I can see they might be. Or, of course, you're more familiar with how to
do them on the Mac.)


Not any easier to access the information, but many times the software to
accomplish my goal doesn't exist for the Mac. That's one place where
the Windows platform is better, more specialty types of software, and
where both platforms have the same type of software, there are more
choices for Windows.

And Windows is more user customizable, but I'm left unimpressed with
Win8 in this regard. Windows is easier for me to change things to fit
how I work, where Apple wants everyone to more closely do things their way.

The Win 7/8 computer started out as a challenge to see if I could
assemble what I wanted, not what Dell, HP, etc., wanted to sell me.
Yes, there was no computer I found that had what I wanted hardware wise
from the factory. Then, I set it up to basically be a "learning"
computer, to learn about 7 and then 8. But I also left space to try out
Linux some day.

Then came the history research. I started to tweak 7, then decided to
move to 8. Now that I've found a couple of things that I prefer in 7
over 8, I'm considering regressing and doing the history project in 7.



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  #242  
Old August 25th 14, 05:00 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 8/22/14, 8:47 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/15/it-pr...nage-than-pcs/
| "The Enterprise Desktop Alliance (an association of several Mac-centric
| IT vendors) recently surveyed 260 IT administrators in the US to find
| out which computing environment is cheaper to manage: PCs or Macs. It
| turns out Macs cost less to manage than PCs for 65% of the IT admins
| surveyed. 19% of survey respondents said the two platforms cost the same
| to manage, while 16% said PCs cost less to manage than Macs."

You started out saying that we/I would be better off with
Macs. Now you're talking about corporations. Corporations
rarely even use Macs. But I'm talking about me. For me a
Mac would be far more expensive, not to mention the software
lacking. To tell me I'd be better off with a Mac because some
corporate admin thinks they're easier to manage is not making
a case for Macs.


Sure it is.


| Also, if you replace the motherboard you're supposed to get a different
| license for Windows. The installation key is married to the mainboard.

That's only partially accurate. If the license is OEM
it's married to the motherboard. A full Pro license,
which I have, can be moved to any number of
computers so long as it's only on one at a time.
You're imagining all kinds of problems and expenses
that just don't exist.



There are four lights.

  #243  
Old August 25th 14, 05:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Justin[_21_]
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On 8/22/14, 6:13 PM, Mike Barnes wrote:
Justin wrote:
On 8/22/14, 5:29 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| I don't understand. My PC doesn't cost anything to own.
|
| I stopped reading here. This is why techies shouldn't run businesses.
| Everything from maintenance to depreciation is lower on a Mac. It's a
| fact, look it up.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of maintenance.
I don't do any maintenance.


http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/15/it-pr...nage-than-pcs/
"The Enterprise Desktop Alliance (an association of several Mac-centric
IT vendors) recently surveyed 260 IT administrators in the US to find
out which computing environment is cheaper to manage: PCs or Macs. It
turns out Macs cost less to manage than PCs for 65% of the IT admins
surveyed. 19% of survey respondents said the two platforms cost the same
to manage, while 16% said PCs cost less to manage than Macs."


But what criteria do they use when deciding whether to buy a PC or a Mac
for a particular job?


Read the article.

  #244  
Old August 25th 14, 07:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 02:29:44 +0100, John wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:44:58 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:43:40 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:54:18 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Darth_Hideous
writes:
[]
But, my son needed a Windows laptop to run a type of automotive
diagnostic software, so he has that too.

And, he has a Windows gaming PC.

His interest in Linux makes me think he looks like the milkman.

I'm afraid that reference completely passes me by!

D_H's son's interests are different from his father's, but might be
similar to those of the neighborhood milkman.


Sorry for the ambiguity. I'll rephrase it:

D_H's son's interests are different from D_H's, but might be
similar to those of the neighborhood milkman.


Actually, in many jurisdictions the first version was perfectly clear
as all spawn born inside a marriage are considered legitimate scions
of the two partners and therefore able to inherit from either and
both.
That the scion of a milkman would be able, in some jurisdictions, to
claim inheritance from the milkman, too, is an example of the law
being slightly nuts.
It is legally valid to have more than two totally legitimate parents
even without surrogacy or other technologies.
"Father" would apply to the one who fed, clothed and educated the
child more than to the wandering gene-donor, as a certain Kryptonian
shows on occasion.
J.


Nonetheless, physical, physiological, and psychological characteristics,
inter alia, are inherited from the actual biological parents, not the
legal parents.

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  #245  
Old August 26th 14, 03:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:26:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.


I've always disliked that kind of analysis. There always seems to be at
least one joker in every workplace who doesn't understand that rushing
through a job just means the next job starts that much sooner, and even
worse, you screw up the metrics for everyone else.


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  #246  
Old August 26th 14, 03:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 8/25/14 8:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:26:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.


I've always disliked that kind of analysis. There always seems to be at
least one joker in every workplace who doesn't understand that rushing
through a job just means the next job starts that much sooner, and even
worse, you screw up the metrics for everyone else.


That is one of many things you can find out. Tom may be the guy that
rushes through the job, doing everyone a disservice.

But, you may find out that Tom has access to a number of special tools
that Dick does not, and thus gets the same quality of work done as Dick
but in less time. Now, you have justification for spending the money to
get those same tools to Dick, as the increase in Dick's efficiency
eventually pays for the tools.


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  #247  
Old August 26th 14, 03:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:30:17 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/25/14 8:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:26:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.


I've always disliked that kind of analysis. There always seems to be at
least one joker in every workplace who doesn't understand that rushing
through a job just means the next job starts that much sooner, and even
worse, you screw up the metrics for everyone else.


That is one of many things you can find out. Tom may be the guy that
rushes through the job, doing everyone a disservice.

But, you may find out that Tom has access to a number of special tools
that Dick does not, and thus gets the same quality of work done as Dick
but in less time. Now, you have justification for spending the money to
get those same tools to Dick, as the increase in Dick's efficiency
eventually pays for the tools.


Or as, in my case, the boss simply asked me to stop screwing around and get
some work done. :-)

Just kidding, I wasn't that bad.

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  #248  
Old August 26th 14, 05:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 8/25/14 8:36 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:30:17 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/25/14 8:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:26:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.

I've always disliked that kind of analysis. There always seems to be at
least one joker in every workplace who doesn't understand that rushing
through a job just means the next job starts that much sooner, and even
worse, you screw up the metrics for everyone else.


That is one of many things you can find out. Tom may be the guy that
rushes through the job, doing everyone a disservice.

But, you may find out that Tom has access to a number of special tools
that Dick does not, and thus gets the same quality of work done as Dick
but in less time. Now, you have justification for spending the money to
get those same tools to Dick, as the increase in Dick's efficiency
eventually pays for the tools.


Or as, in my case, the boss simply asked me to stop screwing around and get
some work done. :-)

Just kidding, I wasn't that bad.


LOL


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  #249  
Old August 26th 14, 06:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:30:17 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/25/14 8:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:26:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.


I've always disliked that kind of analysis. There always seems to be at
least one joker in every workplace who doesn't understand that rushing
through a job just means the next job starts that much sooner, and even
worse, you screw up the metrics for everyone else.


That is one of many things you can find out. Tom may be the guy that
rushes through the job, doing everyone a disservice.

But, you may find out that Tom has access to a number of special tools
that Dick does not, and thus gets the same quality of work done as Dick
but in less time. Now, you have justification for spending the money to
get those same tools to Dick, as the increase in Dick's efficiency
eventually pays for the tools.


Or Dick may be the real expert and gets all of the really tough
jobs.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #250  
Old August 26th 14, 11:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 8/26/14 11:59 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:30:17 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/25/14 8:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:26:28 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

Another plays where this can be useful is when Tom does a particular job
in just 2 hours, but it takes Dick 5 hours. You now have to go ask why.
The difference could be legitimate, or Dick may just be goofing off.

I've always disliked that kind of analysis. There always seems to be at
least one joker in every workplace who doesn't understand that rushing
through a job just means the next job starts that much sooner, and even
worse, you screw up the metrics for everyone else.


That is one of many things you can find out. Tom may be the guy that
rushes through the job, doing everyone a disservice.

But, you may find out that Tom has access to a number of special tools
that Dick does not, and thus gets the same quality of work done as Dick
but in less time. Now, you have justification for spending the money to
get those same tools to Dick, as the increase in Dick's efficiency
eventually pays for the tools.


Or Dick may be the real expert and gets all of the really tough
jobs.


That's always possible, but I was thinking more along the lines they
were both doing the same thing when I wrote the post.


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  #251  
Old August 27th 14, 10:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:33:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/26/14 11:59 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:


[snip]

Or Dick may be the real expert and gets all of the really tough
jobs.


That's always possible, but I was thinking more along the lines they
were both doing the same thing when I wrote the post.


But that could be an unwarranted assumption. Tom and Dick may
even have arranged such a job split without anyone else knowing.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #252  
Old August 27th 14, 11:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 8/27/14 3:06 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:33:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/26/14 11:59 AM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:


[snip]

Or Dick may be the real expert and gets all of the really tough
jobs.


That's always possible, but I was thinking more along the lines they
were both doing the same thing when I wrote the post.


But that could be an unwarranted assumption. Tom and Dick may
even have arranged such a job split without anyone else knowing.


Only if they knowingly cheat the system. You would have a work order,
and it would probably be assigned to one or the other. In fact, Tom and
Dick could be working at different facilities, a couple hundred miles apart.


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  #253  
Old August 28th 14, 12:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Ken Springer
writes:
[]
There was a time when I didn't mind dealing with these things, but no
more. I want to use the computer, not have to do anything more than
necessary first.

Me too. And that "do anything" includes learning the wrinkles of how
another OS does things - not just Mac, but W7 (let alone W8). I've got
used to how XP does things - and I freely admit that may not be the best
or even logical; I just know it without thinking.
[]
Ditto, for the most part. But take online banking... It used to take
me over 30 minutes to sit down and write all those checks. Now, I'm
done in 10 minutes or less. And I can keep all my money in a savings
account, and move what I need to into checking for bill paying. I
could shorten that if I wanted, by paying from savings directly. Just
don't want to, as I still have a couple of bills that I can't pay
online. So everything is paid from the checking account. Also, if
your financial institutions allow transferring between institutions,
piece of cake.


Ah. I telephone bank - never done any online at all. But my needs are
simple: I write one cheque every 28 days, so don't find it onerous.
[]
Not any easier to access the information, but many times the software
to accomplish my goal doesn't exist for the Mac. That's one place
where the Windows platform is better, more specialty types of software,
and where both platforms have the same type of software, there are more
choices for Windows.


Yes, there does often seem to be "the Mac prog. to do that is ...", or
sometimes a choice of two. (Conversely the Mac one may do it better.)
[]
3
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  #254  
Old August 28th 14, 12:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Gene Wirchenko
writes:
[]
Or Dick may be the real expert and gets all of the really tough
jobs.

[]
Yes; that's why comparing hospitals (or doctors) on survival rates is
such a silly thing to do. (But sadly plenty of people seem to do it.)
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Old August 28th 14, 01:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 8/27/14 5:11 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
[]
There was a time when I didn't mind dealing with these things, but no
more. I want to use the computer, not have to do anything more than
necessary first.

Me too. And that "do anything" includes learning the wrinkles of how
another OS does things - not just Mac, but W7 (let alone W8). I've got
used to how XP does things - and I freely admit that may not be the best
or even logical; I just know it without thinking.
[]
Ditto, for the most part. But take online banking... It used to take
me over 30 minutes to sit down and write all those checks. Now, I'm
done in 10 minutes or less. And I can keep all my money in a savings
account, and move what I need to into checking for bill paying. I
could shorten that if I wanted, by paying from savings directly. Just
don't want to, as I still have a couple of bills that I can't pay
online. So everything is paid from the checking account. Also, if
your financial institutions allow transferring between institutions,
piece of cake.


Ah. I telephone bank - never done any online at all. But my needs are
simple: I write one cheque every 28 days, so don't find it onerous.
[]
Not any easier to access the information, but many times the software
to accomplish my goal doesn't exist for the Mac. That's one place
where the Windows platform is better, more specialty types of software,
and where both platforms have the same type of software, there are more
choices for Windows.


Yes, there does often seem to be "the Mac prog. to do that is ...", or
sometimes a choice of two. (Conversely the Mac one may do it better.)


I try to avoid the "Mac does it better" or "Windows does it better" as
there are just too many variables to consider. Most of them being the
human operator. LOL

And unless you have both systems, it's pretty much a pointless
discussion/argument, you'll use the software available for the OS you have.


--
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