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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Ant wrote:
On 3/8/2009 10:20 AM PT, Jim typed: Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's default disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files (mostly VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I think it is because of the severe fragmentations. Thank you in advance. Defraggler is a good one . Do you know if it can handle limited free disk space? Got GOOGLE? |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
On 3/8/2009 2:57 PM PT, Danny Krychek typed:
Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's default disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files (mostly VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I think it is because of the severe fragmentations. Thank you in advance. Defraggler is a good one . Do you know if it can handle limited free disk space? Got GOOGLE? Yes, but I didn't see the answer. Even its own Web site doesn't say it. -- "Maybe it's like an ant hive..." "Bees man, bees have hives." "You know what I mean. It's like one female that runs the whole show." "Yes, the queen." "Yeah the mamma. She is bad*ss, man. I mean big." "These things ain't ants estupido." "I know that." --ALIENS movie /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Ant wrote:
On 3/8/2009 2:57 PM PT, Danny Krychek typed: Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's default disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files (mostly VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I think it is because of the severe fragmentations. Thank you in advance. Defraggler is a good one . Do you know if it can handle limited free disk space? Got GOOGLE? Yes, but I didn't see the answer. Even its own Web site doesn't say it. If the author's site doesn't brag about something - and the ability to defrag with limited free space would give huge bragging rights - then it can't. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Gerry,
Here you go: Volume SYSTEM (C Volume size = 12.00 GB Cluster size = 512 bytes Used space = 9.63 GB Free space = 2.37 GB Percent free space = 19 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 7 % File fragmentation = 15 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 77,007 Average file size = 180 KB Total fragmented files = 1,206 Total excess fragments = 307,892 Average fragments per file = 4.99 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 200 MB Total fragments = 9 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 4,443 Fragmented folders = 13 Excess folder fragments = 33 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 86 MB MFT record count = 84,627 Percent MFT in use = 96 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 301,225 265 MB \transaction.log 376 10 MB \WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_4 1114.xml 296 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\cceraser.dll 261 408 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\file1.log 156 913 KB \WINDOWS\KB942763.log 144 1 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\navex32a.dll 130 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris Agent\Logs\Agent8.log 125 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris Agent\Logs\Agent9.log 123 4 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan9.dat 72 635 KB \WINDOWS\comsetup.log 67 491 KB \WINDOWS\KB955839.log 52 2 MB \winstuff\DebuggingTools\w2kfre\kdex2x86.dll 49 363 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\eeCtrl.sys 49 991 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan1.dat 44 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\win32k.sys 42 324 KB \WINDOWS\SchCache\Corp.Com.sch 41 3 MB \Program Files\Reference Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.5\System.Data.En tity.dll 41 142 KB \WINDOWS\updspapi.log 40 3 MB \WINDOWS\$hf_mig$\KB953838\SP3QFE\mshtml.dll 39 287 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini 38 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\ntkrnlmp.exe 37 388 KB \WINDOWS\ntdtcsetup.log 36 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\3e01c8ea.msi 35 253 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\ecmsvr32.dll 32 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\FrameWork.log 31 936 KB \WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\ReportingEvents.log 30 45 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA 29 5 MB \Program Files\Reference Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.0\PresentationFr amework.dll 27 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\VMware\VMware Virtual Machine Importer\v2vapp.exe 27 580 KB \WINDOWS\Installer\{90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}\accicons.exe Volume DATA (D Volume size = 52.51 GB Cluster size = 512 bytes Used space = 44.90 GB Free space = 7.61 GB Percent free space = 14 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 43 % File fragmentation = 87 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 17,429 Average file size = 3 MB Total fragmented files = 255 Total excess fragments = 28,534 Average fragments per file = 2.63 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 0 bytes Total fragments = 0 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 3,312 Fragmented folders = 9 Excess folder fragments = 28 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 44 MB MFT record count = 21,101 Percent MFT in use = 47 % Total MFT fragments = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 20,771 11.95 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\XP Home SP2 (Simplified Chinese) & Linux\Windows XP Home Edition.vmdk 1,763 3.63 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional-000003.vmdk 1,168 9.11 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Vista Home Basic N (experimental)\Windows Vista (experimental).vmdk 900 7 MB \dl\cel_030809.mp3 716 4 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\ntuser.dat.LOG 642 7.25 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmdk 588 1.71 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional.vmdk 559 3.30 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional-000002.vmdk 391 3 MB \work\tools\cdbxp_setup_4.2.4.1255.exe 260 314 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional-000004.vmdk 64 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\158839A4.TMP 49 153 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\adityadev007.xml 41 17 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmss 31 220 KB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Settings.LiveUpdate 29 38 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.xml 28 2 MB \winstuff\mcd\BMP.BMP 26 268 KB \winstuff\Trillian3\users\default\cache\cache.ini 20 48 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\aditya.log 18 153 KB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\43p1f9aas.slt\Cache\ _CACHE_001_ 17 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Log.LiveUpdate 14 19 KB \winstuff\RealAlternativeLite\Media Player Classic\mplayerc.ini 13 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\480F4270.TMP 12 618 KB \p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.wb k 11 67 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-2.log 11 60 bytes \lotus\notes\Data\Modems 10 2 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\dp1f91yq.slt\history .dat 10 617 KB \p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.do c 9 51 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-1.log 8 12 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.log 8 37 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-0.log -- I discovered defrag.exe command line earlier: D:\defrag -a -v d: Windows Disk Defragmenter Copyright (c) 2001 Microsoft Corp. and Executive Software International, Inc. Analysis Report Volume size = 52.51 GB Cluster size = 512 bytes Used space = 44.90 GB Free space = 7.61 GB Percent free space = 14 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 43 % File fragmentation = 87 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 17,417 Average file size = 3 MB Total fragmented files = 244 Total excess fragments = 28,490 Average fragments per file = 2.63 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 0 bytes Total fragments = 0 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 3,309 Fragmented folders = 8 Excess folder fragments = 27 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 44 MB MFT record count = 21,086 Percent MFT in use = 46 Total MFT fragments = 2 You should defragment this volume. Volume BackupsAndArchives (E Volume size = 9.91 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 2.31 GB Free space = 7.60 GB Percent free space = 76 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 21 % File fragmentation = 43 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 1,551 Average file size = 2 MB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 2 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.00 GB Total fragments = 3 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 277 Fragmented folders = 12 Excess folder fragments = 48 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 4 MB MFT record count = 1,843 Percent MFT in use = 43 % Total MFT fragments = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 27 112 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\ snmp\mibs 6 32 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\ radius 6 28 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark 4 28 KB \stuff\work\tools 3 20 KB \music\midi 2 8 KB \stuff\work\docs\info 2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools\LicensingTools 2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools 2 8 KB \music\mod 2 8 KB \stuff\Desktop 2 20 KB \stuff\Links 2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\as D:\defrag /? Usage: defrag volume [-a] [-f] [-v] [-?] volume drive letter or mount point (d: or d:\vol\mountpoint) -a Analyze only -f Force defragmentation even if free space is low -v Verbose output -? Display this help text Can I use -f parameter? Is this safe to use? Thank you in advance. -- Phillip Pi (aka Ant) Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit Symantec Corporation www.symantec.com ----------------------------------------------------- Email: YMC (remove SYMC to reply by e-mail) ----------------------------------------------------- Please do NOT e-mail me for technical support. DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer. Thank you. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Phillip
I can see why you are having problems. The first thing is that volumes C and D do not have the normal 4 kb cluster size. This can occur in certain situations if they are converted from FAT32 to NTFS without taking precautions. See the link which follows: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.htm The Default Cluster Size for the NTFS and FAT File Systems http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314878/en-us Other than reformatting I do not know how to correct the error. Of course with your C volume that involves reinstalling Windows XP and all that entails. How many drives are there? Are all volumes on the same drive or are they on physically separate drives? The problem with your C volume is more than likely the transaction log. What is generating the log and what is recorded in the log? Some logs open using notepad and you can delete older data leaving the more current information. The size and fragmentation of the file will be preventing effective defragmentation by the Microsoft Defragmenter. You also have a number of other log files. Do these also contain old data which you do not need to keep? When you run the Microsoft Disk Defragmenter does it complete leaving one or two of the larger files or does it give up? You should always run cCleaner (or Disk CleanUp ) before running Disk Defragmenter. If it completes leaving some files run Disk Defragmenter again and see if the number of fragments reduce. If this does not work download and run Defraggler. Given the amount of free space on volume C I would expect Disk Defragmenter and / or Defraggler to resolve the problem The problem with your D volume is the same as volume C but much more severe. I would suspect the problem has been created by placing the images on the volume when the volume is in a fragmented state. You might avoid the problem in future by running Disk CleanUp and Disk Defragmenter before putting the images on the volume. You have 3 large files, which if temporarily removed from the volume, would enable Disk Defragmenter to work, although it might take quite a time. Defraggler might work with the files still on the volume. Do you have access to an external cradle and another hard drive, which you could connect to your computer. You can then copy the large files to the external drive deleting the original copies using Shift+Delete to bypass the Recycle Bin, run Disk Defragmenter and copy the files back. You should find the large files copied are only in a few fragments and not multi fragmented as before. Your E volume should not cause defragmentation problems. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Phillip Pi" wrote in message ... Gerry, Here you go: Volume SYSTEM (C Volume size = 12.00 GB Cluster size = 512 bytes Used space = 9.63 GB Free space = 2.37 GB Percent free space = 19 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 7 % File fragmentation = 15 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 77,007 Average file size = 180 KB Total fragmented files = 1,206 Total excess fragments = 307,892 Average fragments per file = 4.99 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 200 MB Total fragments = 9 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 4,443 Fragmented folders = 13 Excess folder fragments = 33 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 86 MB MFT record count = 84,627 Percent MFT in use = 96 % Total MFT fragments = 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 301,225 265 MB \transaction.log 376 10 MB \WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_4 1114.xml 296 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\cceraser.dll 261 408 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\file1.log 156 913 KB \WINDOWS\KB942763.log 144 1 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\navex32a.dll 130 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris Agent\Logs\Agent8.log 125 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris Agent\Logs\Agent9.log 123 4 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan9.dat 72 635 KB \WINDOWS\comsetup.log 67 491 KB \WINDOWS\KB955839.log 52 2 MB \winstuff\DebuggingTools\w2kfre\kdex2x86.dll 49 363 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\eeCtrl.sys 49 991 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan1.dat 44 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\win32k.sys 42 324 KB \WINDOWS\SchCache\Corp.Com.sch 41 3 MB \Program Files\Reference Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.5\System.Data.En tity.dll 41 142 KB \WINDOWS\updspapi.log 40 3 MB \WINDOWS\$hf_mig$\KB953838\SP3QFE\mshtml.dll 39 287 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini 38 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\ntkrnlmp.exe 37 388 KB \WINDOWS\ntdtcsetup.log 36 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\3e01c8ea.msi 35 253 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\ecmsvr32.dll 32 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\FrameWork.log 31 936 KB \WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\ReportingEvents.log 30 45 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA 29 5 MB \Program Files\Reference Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.0\PresentationFr amework.dll 27 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\VMware\VMware Virtual Machine Importer\v2vapp.exe 27 580 KB \WINDOWS\Installer\{90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}\accicons.exe Volume DATA (D Volume size = 52.51 GB Cluster size = 512 bytes Used space = 44.90 GB Free space = 7.61 GB Percent free space = 14 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 43 % File fragmentation = 87 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 17,429 Average file size = 3 MB Total fragmented files = 255 Total excess fragments = 28,534 Average fragments per file = 2.63 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 0 bytes Total fragments = 0 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 3,312 Fragmented folders = 9 Excess folder fragments = 28 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 44 MB MFT record count = 21,101 Percent MFT in use = 47 % Total MFT fragments = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 20,771 11.95 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\XP Home SP2 (Simplified Chinese) & Linux\Windows XP Home Edition.vmdk 1,763 3.63 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional-000003.vmdk 1,168 9.11 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Vista Home Basic N (experimental)\Windows Vista (experimental).vmdk 900 7 MB \dl\cel_030809.mp3 716 4 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\ntuser.dat.LOG 642 7.25 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmdk 588 1.71 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional.vmdk 559 3.30 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional-000002.vmdk 391 3 MB \work\tools\cdbxp_setup_4.2.4.1255.exe 260 314 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional-000004.vmdk 64 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\158839A4.TMP 49 153 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\adityadev007.xml 41 17 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmss 31 220 KB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Settings.LiveUpdate 29 38 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.xml 28 2 MB \winstuff\mcd\BMP.BMP 26 268 KB \winstuff\Trillian3\users\default\cache\cache.ini 20 48 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\aditya.log 18 153 KB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\43p1f9aas.slt\Cache\ _CACHE_001_ 17 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Log.LiveUpdate 14 19 KB \winstuff\RealAlternativeLite\Media Player Classic\mplayerc.ini 13 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\480F4270.TMP 12 618 KB \p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.wb k 11 67 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-2.log 11 60 bytes \lotus\notes\Data\Modems 10 2 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\dp1f91yq.slt\history .dat 10 617 KB \p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.do c 9 51 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-1.log 8 12 KB \RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.log 8 37 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-0.log -- I discovered defrag.exe command line earlier: D:\defrag -a -v d: Windows Disk Defragmenter Copyright (c) 2001 Microsoft Corp. and Executive Software International, Inc. Analysis Report Volume size = 52.51 GB Cluster size = 512 bytes Used space = 44.90 GB Free space = 7.61 GB Percent free space = 14 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 43 % File fragmentation = 87 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 17,417 Average file size = 3 MB Total fragmented files = 244 Total excess fragments = 28,490 Average fragments per file = 2.63 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 0 bytes Total fragments = 0 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 3,309 Fragmented folders = 8 Excess folder fragments = 27 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 44 MB MFT record count = 21,086 Percent MFT in use = 46 Total MFT fragments = 2 You should defragment this volume. Volume BackupsAndArchives (E Volume size = 9.91 GB Cluster size = 4 KB Used space = 2.31 GB Free space = 7.60 GB Percent free space = 76 % Volume fragmentation Total fragmentation = 21 % File fragmentation = 43 % Free space fragmentation = 0 % File fragmentation Total files = 1,551 Average file size = 2 MB Total fragmented files = 1 Total excess fragments = 2 Average fragments per file = 1.00 Pagefile fragmentation Pagefile size = 1.00 GB Total fragments = 3 Folder fragmentation Total folders = 277 Fragmented folders = 12 Excess folder fragments = 48 Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation Total MFT size = 4 MB MFT record count = 1,843 Percent MFT in use = 43 % Total MFT fragments = 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fragments File Size Most fragmented files 27 112 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\ snmp\mibs 6 32 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\ radius 6 28 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark 4 28 KB \stuff\work\tools 3 20 KB \music\midi 2 8 KB \stuff\work\docs\info 2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools\LicensingTools 2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools 2 8 KB \music\mod 2 8 KB \stuff\Desktop 2 20 KB \stuff\Links 2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\as D:\defrag /? Usage: defrag volume [-a] [-f] [-v] [-?] volume drive letter or mount point (d: or d:\vol\mountpoint) -a Analyze only -f Force defragmentation even if free space is low -v Verbose output -? Display this help text Can I use -f parameter? Is this safe to use? Thank you in advance. -- Phillip Pi (aka Ant) Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit Symantec Corporation www.symantec.com ----------------------------------------------------- Email: YMC (remove SYMC to reply by e-mail) ----------------------------------------------------- Please do NOT e-mail me for technical support. DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer. Thank you. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
On 3/9/2009 4:18 PM PT, Gerry wrote:
The first thing is that volumes C and D do not have the normal 4 kb cluster size. This can occur in certain situations if they are converted from FAT32 to NTFS without taking precautions. See the link which follows: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.htm The Default Cluster Size for the NTFS and FAT File Systems http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314878/en-us Other than reformatting I do not know how to correct the error. Of course with your C volume that involves reinstalling Windows XP and all that entails. Interesting. I did NOT set up these partitions and OS (think it was a preinstalled image from IT since I remember having to get IT to set up my account). Can PartitionMagic v8.01 fix this (of course, backup)? If so, then how much speed improvements am I expecting? Are you saying defragging won't fix this slow issue? How many drives are there? Are all volumes on the same drive or are they on physically separate drives? 1 physical Maxtor HDD and three MS partitions (C:, D:, and E. And there a Dell partition so that's four in total. The problem with your C volume is more than likely the transaction log. What is generating the log and what is recorded in the log? Some logs open using notepad and you can delete older data leaving the more current information. Not sure what it is. I see a bunch of lines like: S2G: 5 8275 S2G: 5 8275 S2G: 5 8275 S2G: 5 7918 S2G: 5 7918 S2G: 5 7918 S2G: 5 7918 S2G: 5 7918 S2G: 5 7918 Process Explorer and Unlocker doesn't say who has this file opened. The size and fragmentation of the file will be preventing effective defragmentation by the Microsoft Defragmenter. You also have a number of other log files. Do these also contain old data which you do not need to keep? When you run the Microsoft Disk Defragmenter does it complete leaving one or two of the larger files or does it give up? You should always run cCleaner (or Disk CleanUp ) before running Disk Defragmenter. If it completes leaving some files run Disk Defragmenter again and see if the number of fragments reduce. If this does not work download and run Defraggler. Given the amount of free space on volume C I would expect Disk Defragmenter and / or Defraggler to resolve the problem I don't know. I will try again. I will try JKdefrag this time. The problem with your D volume is the same as volume C but much more severe. I would suspect the problem has been created by placing the images on the volume when the volume is in a fragmented state. You might avoid the problem in future by running Disk CleanUp and Disk Defragmenter before putting the images on the volume. You have 3 large files, which if temporarily removed from the volume, would enable Disk Defragmenter to work, although it might take quite a time. Defraggler might work with the files still on the volume. I can run it overnight or weekend if needed. I have had these VMware images for years. The PC is pretty old (3-4 years old). Do you have access to an external cradle and another hard drive, which you could connect to your computer. You can then copy the large files to the external drive deleting the original copies using Shift+Delete to bypass the Recycle Bin, run Disk Defragmenter and copy the files back. You should find the large files copied are only in a few fragments and not multi fragmented as before. I will try that if things get worse. Your E volume should not cause defragmentation problems. Yeah, it looks nice. -- Phillip Pi Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit Symantec Corporation www.symantec.com ----------------------------------------------------- Email: YMC (remove SYMC to reply by e-mail) ----------------------------------------------------- Please do NOT e-mail me for technical support. DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer. Thank you. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
The date and time was Monday, March 09, 2009 5:55:37 PM, and on a whim,
Phillip Pi pounded out on the keyboard: Interesting. I did NOT set up these partitions and OS (think it was a preinstalled image from IT since I remember having to get IT to set up my account). Can PartitionMagic v8.01 fix this (of course, backup)? If so, then how much speed improvements am I expecting? Are you saying defragging won't fix this slow issue? Hi Phillip, Someone is being very paranoid. There isn't anything wrong with your cluster sizes. Most likely you have much less wasted space with 512 clusters, and you may have more fragmentation. So what. Use PM8 if you have it. You can see what the difference in wasted space is by seeing what you gain/lose by changing the cluster size. PM8 can change your cluster size if you want it, but like you stated, create a backup first. I have 3 hard drives with multiple partitions. OS, data, and program drives are all 512kb cluster sizes. No issues. If you have large files (video, etc), then use a larger size. But don't freak out because you don't have 4k clusters. That's fretting over nothing. Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
The date and time was Monday, March 09, 2009 5:55:37 PM, and on a whim,
Phillip Pi pounded out on the keyboard: Interesting. I did NOT set up these partitions and OS (think it was a preinstalled image from IT since I remember having to get IT to set up my account). Can PartitionMagic v8.01 fix this (of course, backup)? If so, then how much speed improvements am I expecting? Are you saying defragging won't fix this slow issue? I also recommend JKDefrag, or lately I even like Ultimate Defrag better: http://www.neowin.net/news/software/...re-edition-172 Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
On 3/9/2009 9:56 PM PT, Terry R. typed:
Someone is being very paranoid. There isn't anything wrong with your cluster sizes. Most likely you have much less wasted space with 512 clusters, and you may have more fragmentation. So what. Use PM8 if you have it. You can see what the difference in wasted space is by seeing what you gain/lose by changing the cluster size. PM8 can change your cluster size if you want it, but like you stated, create a backup first. I have 3 hard drives with multiple partitions. OS, data, and program drives are all 512kb cluster sizes. No issues. If you have large files (video, etc), then use a larger size. But don't freak out because you don't have 4k clusters. That's fretting over nothing. OK, so no performance improvements I assume. -- "Look not to the windmill's turning while the ant still burrows." --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Danny
How much minimum free disk space does JkDefrag require? JkDefrag does not require a minimum free disk space, unlike many other defragmenters. But: Windows reserves some space for expansion of the MFT, default is 12.5% of the volume size. This space is counted by Windows as free space because it can/will be used for regular files when the rest of the volume is full. JkDefrag cannot move files into this space, only out of ("reclaim MFT reserved space"). A file can only be defragmented if there is a gap on disk big enough to hold the entire file. There may be plenty of free space, but what is needed is a single big gap. In these cases JkDefrag will try to reduce the number of fragments in the file by using the biggest gaps available. http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/ -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Danny Krychek" wrote in message ... Ant wrote: On 3/8/2009 2:57 PM PT, Danny Krychek typed: Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's default disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files (mostly VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I think it is because of the severe fragmentations. Thank you in advance. Defraggler is a good one . Do you know if it can handle limited free disk space? Got GOOGLE? Yes, but I didn't see the answer. Even its own Web site doesn't say it. If the author's site doesn't brag about something - and the ability to defrag with limited free space would give huge bragging rights - then it can't. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Phillip
Whilst I have no experience of using J K Defrag ( it may be an excellent tool ) some of the claims voiced by others ( not Terry R ) are not true. Quotes from the J K Defrag site follow: "All fragmented files are defragmented, simply by moving them to the first gap on the disk that is big enough. If there is no gap big enough then the defragmenter will reduce the number of fragments in the file by moving as much of the file as possible into the largest gaps available." "How much minimum free disk space does JkDefrag require? JkDefrag does not require a minimum free disk space, unlike many other defragmenters. But: Windows reserves some space for expansion of the MFT, default is 12.5% of the volume size. This space is counted by Windows as free space because it can/will be used for regular files when the rest of the volume is full. JkDefrag cannot move files into this space, only out of ("reclaim MFT reserved space"). A file can only be defragmented if there is a gap on disk big enough to hold the entire file. There may be plenty of free space, but what is needed is a single big gap. In these cases JkDefrag will try to reduce the number of fragments in the file by using the biggest gaps available." Sources: http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/ -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Ant" wrote in message ... On 3/9/2009 9:56 PM PT, Terry R. typed: Someone is being very paranoid. There isn't anything wrong with your cluster sizes. Most likely you have much less wasted space with 512 clusters, and you may have more fragmentation. So what. Use PM8 if you have it. You can see what the difference in wasted space is by seeing what you gain/lose by changing the cluster size. PM8 can change your cluster size if you want it, but like you stated, create a backup first. I have 3 hard drives with multiple partitions. OS, data, and program drives are all 512kb cluster sizes. No issues. If you have large files (video, etc), then use a larger size. But don't freak out because you don't have 4k clusters. That's fretting over nothing. OK, so no performance improvements I assume. -- "Look not to the windmill's turning while the ant still burrows." --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Interesting. I wonder if mine has enough to do that. I was going to run
it last night, but I needed VMware to run stuff first. On 3/10/2009 2:01 AM PT, Gerry typed: Phillip Whilst I have no experience of using J K Defrag ( it may be an excellent tool ) some of the claims voiced by others ( not Terry R ) are not true. Quotes from the J K Defrag site follow: "All fragmented files are defragmented, simply by moving them to the first gap on the disk that is big enough. If there is no gap big enough then the defragmenter will reduce the number of fragments in the file by moving as much of the file as possible into the largest gaps available." "How much minimum free disk space does JkDefrag require? JkDefrag does not require a minimum free disk space, unlike many other defragmenters. But: Windows reserves some space for expansion of the MFT, default is 12.5% of the volume size. This space is counted by Windows as free space because it can/will be used for regular files when the rest of the volume is full. JkDefrag cannot move files into this space, only out of ("reclaim MFT reserved space"). A file can only be defragmented if there is a gap on disk big enough to hold the entire file. There may be plenty of free space, but what is needed is a single big gap. In these cases JkDefrag will try to reduce the number of fragments in the file by using the biggest gaps available." Sources: http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/ -- "Ants can carry twenty times their weight, which is useful information if you're moving out and you need help getting a potato chip across town." --Ron Darian /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
The date and time was Monday, March 09, 2009 10:53:32 PM, and on a whim,
Ant pounded out on the keyboard: On 3/9/2009 9:56 PM PT, Terry R. typed: Someone is being very paranoid. There isn't anything wrong with your cluster sizes. Most likely you have much less wasted space with 512 clusters, and you may have more fragmentation. So what. Use PM8 if you have it. You can see what the difference in wasted space is by seeing what you gain/lose by changing the cluster size. PM8 can change your cluster size if you want it, but like you stated, create a backup first. I have 3 hard drives with multiple partitions. OS, data, and program drives are all 512kb cluster sizes. No issues. If you have large files (video, etc), then use a larger size. But don't freak out because you don't have 4k clusters. That's fretting over nothing. OK, so no performance improvements I assume. Phillip, I doubt you will see any benefits by changing your cluster sizes by the info you've provided. If you are able to install and uninstall programs, you could go through and uninstall any programs that aren't needed any longer. There are most likely a lot of Windows patch folders that could be moved from c:\windows to D: or E: (in the unlikely event they would ever need to be uninstalled, they could be copied back to c:\windows). You could free up hundreds of megs on C: by doing that. Learn more about that by reading he http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Hotfix_backup.htm Your pagefile on C: is already at a minimum size. My bigger concern would be your "backup and archive" drive E:. It appears there is only one hard drive in this workstation. So if your IT dept. isn't backing up your local data to a server, or if your main data isn't stored on a server and backed up, I would ask the IT people about that. Because if you are backing up to E: thinking it's safe, it's a false sense of security. If the hard drive fails you will lose C: D: and E:, so you lose everything. Terry R. -- Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro.SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
On 3/10/2009 10:29 AM PT, Terry R. wrote:
I doubt you will see any benefits by changing your cluster sizes by the info you've provided. OK. Then, I won't bother doing that then. If you are able to install and uninstall programs, you could go through and uninstall any programs that aren't needed any longer. There are most likely a lot of Windows patch folders that could be moved from c:\windows to D: or E: (in the unlikely event they would ever need to be uninstalled, they could be copied back to c:\windows). You could free up hundreds of megs on C: by doing that. Learn more about that by reading he http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Hotfix_backup.htm Yeah, I have tossed a lot of stuff out already especially SP2, hot fixes, etc. Your pagefile on C: is already at a minimum size. Yes. My bigger concern would be your "backup and archive" drive E:. It appears there is only one hard drive in this workstation. So if your IT dept. isn't backing up your local data to a server, or if your main data isn't stored on a server and backed up, I would ask the IT people about that. Because if you are backing up to E: thinking it's safe, it's a false sense of security. If the hard drive fails you will lose C: D: and E:, so you lose everything. I do make weekly backups manually to a server as an offline and shared backup. I use E: drive as my local storage. -- Phillip Pi Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit Symantec Corporation www.symantec.com ----------------------------------------------------- Email: YMC (remove SYMC to reply by e-mail) ----------------------------------------------------- Please do NOT e-mail me for technical support. DISCLAIMER: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer. Thank you. |
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What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2 with limited free disk spaces?
Phillip
Earlier you queried whether there might be speed improvements from changing the cluster size. This is not an easy one to answer as any performance gains are difficult to measure and often subjective. The performance benefits coming from a larger cluster size arise from a reduced rate of file fragmentation where the average file size is large. You are of course trying to resolve a situation where file fragmentation has become a serious problem so ideally you would not want something that speeds up fragmentation. You will see a noticeable improvement if you can eliminate fragmentation but this will only last for a while until you need to cleanup and defragment again. I suspect that the preliminary disk cleanup helps as much as defragmentation. Apart from resolving severe fragmentation defragmenting is only one measure contributing to better system performance. Other factors are often more important. The CPU capacity and the amount of RAM are the more important normal bottlenecks holding back system performance but there are a number of other factors which can apply. I do not think changing the cluster size is worthwhile given the likely benefits. You would see an improved system performance if you could increase the available free disk space to 25 to 35% but this is not easily measurable. You have a pagefile on volume E, which is part of a single drive. Most people, who have diverse views on best practice regarding the pagefile, would not consider this helps system performance. You should either have a single pagefile on volume C or have a dedicated pagefile partition as the first partition on a second hard drive leaving a small pagefile in volume C. Which is best causes many heated debates between the two opposing viewpoints but no one would advocate what you have to achieve best performance. The logic underlying the partition structure is unclear to me. What is meant to be the purpose of each partition? I cannot see the benefit to be gained from moving files from C to D as both have limited free space. I cannot see any system restore points. Has system restore been turned off. With regard to C you might look at the points detailed below, which may marginally help. Another default setting which could be wasteful is that for temporary internet files, especially if you do not store offline copies on disk. The default allocation is 3% of drive. Depending on your attitude to offline copies you could reduce this to 1% or 2%. In Internet Explorer select Tools, Internet Options, General, Temporary Internet Files, Settings to make the change. At the same time look at the number of days history is held. The default allocation for the Recycle Bin is 10 % of drive. Change to 5%, which should be sufficient. In Windows Explorer place the cursor on your Recycle Bin, right click and select Properties, Global and move the slider from 10% to 5%. However, try to avoid letting it get too full as if it is full and you delete a file by mistake it will bypass the Recycle Bin and be gone for ever. Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, System Information, Tools, Dr Watson and verify that the box before "Append to existing log" is NOT checked. This means the next time the log is written it will overwrite rather than add to the existing file. If your drive is formatted as NTFS another potential gain arises with your operating system on your C drive. In the Windows Directory of your C partition you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows folder typically: $NtServicePackUninstall$ and $NtUninstallKB282010$ etc. These files may be compressed or not compressed. If compressed the text of the folder name appears in blue characters. If not compressed you can compress them. Right click on each folder and select Properties, General, Advanced and check the box before Compress contents to save Disk Space. On the General Tab you can see the amount gained by deducting the size on disk from the size. Folder compression is only an option on a NTFS formatted drive / partition. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Ant" wrote in message ... Interesting. I wonder if mine has enough to do that. I was going to run it last night, but I needed VMware to run stuff first. On 3/10/2009 2:01 AM PT, Gerry typed: Phillip Whilst I have no experience of using J K Defrag ( it may be an excellent tool ) some of the claims voiced by others ( not Terry R ) are not true. Quotes from the J K Defrag site follow: "All fragmented files are defragmented, simply by moving them to the first gap on the disk that is big enough. If there is no gap big enough then the defragmenter will reduce the number of fragments in the file by moving as much of the file as possible into the largest gaps available." "How much minimum free disk space does JkDefrag require? JkDefrag does not require a minimum free disk space, unlike many other defragmenters. But: Windows reserves some space for expansion of the MFT, default is 12.5% of the volume size. This space is counted by Windows as free space because it can/will be used for regular files when the rest of the volume is full. JkDefrag cannot move files into this space, only out of ("reclaim MFT reserved space"). A file can only be defragmented if there is a gap on disk big enough to hold the entire file. There may be plenty of free space, but what is needed is a single big gap. In these cases JkDefrag will try to reduce the number of fragments in the file by using the biggest gaps available." Sources: http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/ -- "Ants can carry twenty times their weight, which is useful information if you're moving out and you need help getting a potato chip across town." --Ron Darian /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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