more error in F8.1U1

Todd wrote, On 5/17/2014 6:30 PM:
On 05/17/2014 02:19 PM, BillW50 wrote:
Wow! 8.1 is dying less than a year?

8.0 and 8.1 are really the same OS with
a service pack applied. M$ markets it the way they
do so you will have to buy new disks if you want
to do a direct install


8.0 is an upgrade for previous o/s (only available on disk as upgrade media)
8.1 is an upgrade for 8.0 (Free upgrade via the MSFT Store or in full
version retail media
8.1 Update is an update to 8.1 (via Windows Update or download from MSFT
Download Center)




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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Todd wrote, On 5/18/2014 1:35 AM:
On 05/17/2014 10:29 PM, ...winston wrote:
8.1 Update is 8.1 (and 8.1 Update is not a Service Pack)

It is, but M$ decided to market it differently,
as a new version of Windows. Really
anti customer.


Hard to substantiate the anti-customer label if you wish to call it a
Service Pack...
- when 8.1 and 8.1 U are free for 8.0/8.1 (just like Sp1 was for Win7,
Sp2/Sp1 for Vista, Sp1/2/3 for XP etc.)


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:14:04 -0700, Todd wrote:

Speaking of pushing 60, I am studying to become either
a "toothless old fart" or a "curmudgeon". Haven't
made my mind up yet.

I vote for curmudgeon. It seems to have more class.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 17 May 2014 19:53:33 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 17 May 2014, Todd wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

[flame] Although flaming you does sound like fun, the "F" stands
for "Frankenstein". It is a gentle jab at M$ for stitching
parts of a tablet and a desktop together, creating a monster.
No vulgarity is intended. [/flame]

Why don't you just call it "Windows"? Your nickname is stupid,
juvenile, and confusing. You might be taken seriously if you didn't
rely on childish jokes.

He's been asked before...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 18 May 2014 00:42:51 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 18 May 2014, Todd wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

You two need to get a sense of humor.

It's not funny. It's puerile and boring.

Like many jokes, it might have been funny the first time. But by now
we're up to the 793rd time...

BTW, I didn't find it funny even the first time, but as we all know I
don't have a sense of humor.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Todd wrote, On 5/18/2014 2:01 AM:
On 05/17/2014 10:46 PM, ...winston wrote:
Todd wrote, On 5/18/2014 1:35 AM:
On 05/17/2014 10:29 PM, ...winston wrote:
8.1 Update is 8.1 (and 8.1 Update is not a Service Pack)

It is, but M$ decided to market it differently,
as a new version of Windows. Really
anti customer.


Hard to substantiate the anti-customer label if you wish to call it a
Service Pack...
- when 8.1 and 8.1 U are free for 8.0/8.1 (just like Sp1 was for Win7,
Sp2/Sp1 for Vista, Sp1/2/3 for XP etc.)



Hi Winston,

Technically, it is only a service pack. Marketing wise,
it is a whole new version, as you have accurately and
eloquently pointed out.

The anti-customer tag comes from making it so hard to
upgrade. Note providing media, U1 messing up computers,
having to go to their accursed "Store" to download it,
all the "Frankenstein (F)" features that went over
like a rotting fish with their customer base, etc..

I wonder what they will do with U2. Please tell me you
think they won't require U1 first before installing U2.

What is up with this "U" crap anyway. Just called it
"Service Pack [fill number in here]"

Hope they do a better job with F8 to W9, like they did
with Vista (we are going to die!) to W7.

-T

U = Update
...and shorter than spelling it out. There have been occurrences in
MSFT past o/s where an update was not a Service Pack. We've had Rollup
in 98, XP and in Vista.

I disliked ME (lasted less than two days before reverted back to 98)
more than Vista. Vista, for me worked fine except it was just too slow
handling file management in Windows Explorer and across a network.
Vista, which I've often referenced (here and even among MSFT personnel)
as MSFT's Black Sheep runs to both ends of the table (some hated, some
loved it).

If pattern follows, 8.1U would be deprecated in favor of the next 8.1
'Update'. And its conceivable that 8.1 RTM would be the base requirement
to obtain the second 8.1 update [U2] with the latter including 8.1U's KB
2919355. Likewise, whatever is the latest version then media (retail and
system builder) in full version would replace retail sales of prior
versions.

If 9 arrives, it could easily require 8.1Ux as the minimum for retaining
application programs, user files and settings) with clean installs
required for Win8.0 and Win7.

I've noted this before...MSFT is on a path to only support the current
and prior. Today that means Windows 8.1U and Win7 (since XP is done,
Vista soon, and 8.0 ending in 2015)

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 May 2014 00:42:51 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 18 May 2014, Todd wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

You two need to get a sense of humor.

It's not funny. It's puerile and boring.

Like many jokes, it might have been funny the first time. But by now
we're up to the 793rd time...

BTW, I didn't find it funny even the first time, but as we all know I
don't have a sense of humor.


But I do have a finely honed, but tempered, 75 year old sense of humor.
It was not even close to humor the first time. And yes, Gene, the 793rd
time, it's moronic.

Chris

"Chris S" wrote in news:llbi64$tvn$1@dont-
email.me:

But I do have a finely honed, but tempered, 75 year old sense of humor.
It was not even close to humor the first time. And yes, Gene, the 793rd
time, it's moronic.

Chris


The thing is, Microsoft is just quaking in it's massively collective boots
and all the programmers are hunkered down in their cubicles frenetically
trying to make Windows into the perfect OS so that Todd will stop calling
it a monster on usenet. His joke is really turning the tides at MS.
Really.

Isn't there a band called "Big Head Todd and the Monsters"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVhS_zSVFN8

--

Pat

email: phartzATcoxDOTnet

"Phantom Post" wrote in message
.116...
"Chris S" wrote in news:llbi64$tvn$1@dont-
email.me:

But I do have a finely honed, but tempered, 75 year old sense of humor.
It was not even close to humor the first time. And yes, Gene, the 793rd
time, it's moronic.

Chris


The thing is, Microsoft is just quaking in it's massively collective boots
and all the programmers are hunkered down in their cubicles frenetically
trying to make Windows into the perfect OS so that Todd will stop calling
it a monster on usenet. His joke is really turning the tides at MS.
Really.

Isn't there a band called "Big Head Todd and the Monsters"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVhS_zSVFN8

--

Pat

email: phartzATcoxDOTnet

Now THAT was somewhat funny, Pat!

Chris

Todd wrote, On 5/19/2014 12:46 AM:
On 05/18/2014 06:19 PM, Chris S wrote:

"Phantom Post" wrote in message
.116...
"Chris S" wrote in news:llbi64$tvn$1@dont-
email.me:

But I do have a finely honed, but tempered, 75 year old sense of humor.
It was not even close to humor the first time. And yes, Gene, the 793rd
time, it's moronic.

Chris


The thing is, Microsoft is just quaking in it's massively collective
boots
and all the programmers are hunkered down in their cubicles frenetically
trying to make Windows into the perfect OS so that Todd will stop
calling
it a monster on usenet. His joke is really turning the tides at MS.
Really.

Isn't there a band called "Big Head Todd and the Monsters"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVhS_zSVFN8

--

Pat

email: phartzATcoxDOTnet

Now THAT was somewhat funny, Pat!

Chris



You "sticks in the mud" do realize that I was
not the one that create the "Frankenstein" nickname
for Windows 8.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+windows+...d+frankenstein



Hi Todd,
I don't think it matters who created 'it' (which you should have
realized by now).



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 19 May 2014, Todd wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

You "sticks in the mud" do realize that I was
not the one that create the "Frankenstein" nickname
for Windows 8.

So, you think that's "creating a name," eh?

Somehow I'm not surprised.

Todd wrote:

You "sticks in the mud" do realize that I was
not the one that create the "Frankenstein" nickname
for Windows 8.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+windows+...d+frankenstein

The purpose of using a name, is to unambiguously
identify a product.

In cases where the manufacturer does not successfully
create a shorthand, we improvise.

But we don't need to include derogatory things like "M$".

This is a newsgroup about Windows 8. The Microsoft
part of that, is implied. When we talk about some issue
we're having, we need to identify the service pack level,
update level, or perhaps even a specific security update
(like a blackhole update).

So when I use Win8.1 U1, that's an attempt to unambiguously
identify the product, using no superfluous descriptor. The
purpose of putting the "Win" on the front, is to make
it easier to find (as search engines do not work well
on diets of pure numbers). It's used in the same vein
as WinXP was, a shorthand for Windows XP.

Putting an "F" on the front, could confuse it
with a French version of Windows 8.

Paul

On Sun, 18 May 2014 21:46:59 -0700, Todd wrote:

On 05/18/2014 06:19 PM, Chris S wrote:

"Phantom Post" wrote in message
.116...
"Chris S" wrote in news:llbi64$tvn$1@dont-
email.me:

But I do have a finely honed, but tempered, 75 year old sense of humor.
It was not even close to humor the first time. And yes, Gene, the 793rd
time, it's moronic.

Chris


The thing is, Microsoft is just quaking in it's massively collective
boots
and all the programmers are hunkered down in their cubicles frenetically
trying to make Windows into the perfect OS so that Todd will stop calling
it a monster on usenet. His joke is really turning the tides at MS.
Really.

Isn't there a band called "Big Head Todd and the Monsters"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVhS_zSVFN8

--

Pat

email: phartzATcoxDOTnet

Now THAT was somewhat funny, Pat!

Chris


You "sticks in the mud" do realize that I was
not the one that create the "Frankenstein" nickname
for Windows 8.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+is+windows+...d+frankenstein

But you *are* the one who is hanging onto it like a bulldog...

No, make that a remora :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 18 May 2014 14:30:47 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 18 May 2014 00:42:51 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 18 May 2014, Todd wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

You two need to get a sense of humor.

It's not funny. It's puerile and boring.

Like many jokes, it might have been funny the first time. But by now
we're up to the 793rd time...

BTW, I didn't find it funny even the first time, but as we all know I
don't have a sense of humor.

+1

I don't even think "M$" is funny, so "F8" has no chance with me.

To all of you who want Todd to change his behavior, you might want to
think about this:

The only person whose behavior you can change is --- you! :-)