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On 6/25/14 1:20 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote, On 6/24/2014 2:03 PM:


I've a friend that just learned that lesson. She kept fighting with
Open Office for some projects at work. Always complaining this or that
doesn't work. I bought her a copy of Serif's Page Plus, and she hasn't
touched Open Office since for work. But now she's got a company
computer, and is being told to use MS Publisher. And she hates
Publisher. LOL



http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/pu...in=HA104032122

Hi, Winston,

Thanks for the link, but that's the kind of stuff she already knows. :-)

The stuff she's doing won't be found in any ready-made template, it's
all custom to where she works. The company has been
revamping/redesigning their visitor center, and she's been creating the
poster sized displays. No two of the displays are identical, although
there is a generalized "look and feel" to them.

From what she says, Page Plus is far easier to use for creating
something from scratch that Publisher. I had the same impression when I
used it long ago.

It always reminds me of the old reputation MS software used to have, and
may still have... "It works, but it doesn't work well."

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/25/14 12:10 AM, xfile wrote:

I have to attribute some of her use of
Open Office to be a spin-off of people thinking MS Word is the be all
end all for everything. And in her case, getting her to try something
else is difficult at best. To get her away for Open Office, I drug her
to a local library course on MS Publisher. (Crappy course, BTW.) It
opened her eyes, and she started saying she needed a page layout
program.

Again, I don’t know her exact job functions, and pretty much, assumed
that she is not an occasional user, but if she were, using a word
processor or MS Publisher isn’t so bad.

See my reply to winston for a short description of what she's doing...


It was a long time ago since my direct involvement in desktop
publishing, but at the time, I was also wondering for why technical
writers used desktop publishing software (PageMaker, at the time) when
(MS) Office was readily available for everyone, plus that I was pretty
good with MS Word for complex documents including using data source and
objects from other Office components. I was also the kind of person
thinking “MS Word is the be all end all for everything�.

IIRC, back then the preferred page layout software for technical writers
was Ventura Publisher. Apparently it was written with the technical
writer in mind. Corel now owns it, but dropped development long ago. I
just looked, and the last version is Ventura 10, 2002.

There's was a plethora of page layout software, and there's still more
than people know about. Just like they don't know anything other than
MS, too few know there's more than Adobe Photoshop, PageMaker, Quark
Express, and so on. I get disgusted with that because so many people
spend money they don't need to for the job they want to do.

There's even a competent open source layout program, Scribus, that may
give Publisher a run for its money. I've heard the interface layout is
quirky, but I've not tried it. Requires Ghostscript for the preview
function.

Atari computers were at the head of the pack for this software at one
time. Two Atari based programs, Calamus and Pagestream, are still
available. Calamus is in the PageMaker level, and I suspect Pagestream
is in the PagePlus level, meaning lower end like Publisher but both are
better as they have a few more advanced features like kerning. I don't
know if they do ligatures, but I know of no MS product that does
kerning. Kerning is a must for professional looking documents. I don't
know about ligatures. And, if your document is almost totally text, LyX
or another TeX/LaTeX based program is going to be much better than any
word processor .

Word always gave me fits for complex, or even just long, documents. I
can't begin to remember how many times I've had Word destroy its own
document.

OH! Positioning of elements on the page, I don't know of any MS product
that can position elements to more than 2 decimal places. That was
probably fine in the days of 300 dpi printers, but now you have 1200 dpi
printers and better.

But I did a comparison and test on the two types of software, and it
didn’t take long for me to notice the major difference between the two.
As you mentioned, the center piece of a desktop publishing software is
for the “page layout,� so text/writing/words (boxes and blocks) are
treated as an object/element like other visual elements, so they can be
manipulated and arranged along with other elements, and the focus is the
final visual effects of the outcome. For a word processor, and despite
its capabilities of using images and objects, the center piece still is
the writing and the purpose of using elements and objects is to
illustrate the writing.

Years ago, when page layout software was appearing, many pros would use
a word processor for creating the text so they had access to grammar
checkers, spelling checkers, etc., and then would import the text into
the page layout software for all of the formatting and layout. Calamus
now includes all of those features, I think, as optional modules plus
basic photo editing modules.

In other words, it’s much easier for using publishing software for page
layout than using a word processor, though it’s achievable by using a
word processor. I know that many companies are using both, so people
like me can write contents using a word processor and then submit it to
art people or outside vendors for afterward page layout, publishing, or
production.

:-)

MS Publisher is part of MS Office and it’s for office workers (and
hobbyists) who need to do some occasional work for publishing or art.
It is similar to their FrontPage which in the early days did help many
non-professional web developers to develop web pages and put up their
websites (with messy proprietary codes), but nevertheless, it helps to
get jobs done. So it really depends on her primary job functions.

Regardless, or is it irregardless (LOL), you should still consider how
much time might be saved over the long run, even if you use the program
somewhat infrequently.

[...] So when Serif offered me 75% discount on X6, current version
is X7, I bought 2 copies and gave her one. She is so happy with it,
but is POed she has to move to Publisher.

I'm sure companies use Publisher because it comes with Office Pro and
other iterations of Office. I suspect companies have this policy
because TPTB and IT people know nothing about actually using the
software, and the amount of time that can be wasted using Office when
other software probably matches their needs better.

Can she ask the management (not IT people) to *approve* the software by
demonstrating the amount of time spent on doing the same tasks of using
the two software? And exactly like what you said, “[…]the amount of
time that can be wasted using Office when other software probably
matches their needs better.� so show them a simple formula: Time Saved =
Cost Saved = Productivity Increased = Profit Increased. Regardless of
the complexity of the formula, which can be very sophisticated or a
simple one to be easily understood, it works every time in my experience.

Exactly what I've suggested. She's sure the company will be too
intransigent to even consider it, but I keep suggesting it. G

Good luck

Thanks.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:45:22 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/24/14 6:36 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:35:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

So when Serif offered me 75% discount on X6, current version
is X7, I bought 2 copies and gave her one. She is so happy with it,


Are you a WordPerfect fan? Welcome to the club!

I used to be. :-) But my employer at the time switched to Office, and


Microsoft Office, or WordPerfect Office? vbg

Yes, I know what you meant, but you should be careful about the names.


no one liked the decision. I know why it was done, it made sense, but
would be off topic here. If you want to know the details, send me an email.


No, that's OK. The details aren't important to me.


I still have my copy of WP for the Atari, a copy of Novell's version,
but I don't know as I write this if it's a Windows or Mac version.

I wish Corel made a Mac version, I'd like to take a look at Paradox. It
would be nice if they sold the WP Office components separately, but they
don't.


Like you, I wish they did. I'm generally against any kind of software
suite. I always think it's much better to choose each program
individually. Just because I like WordPerfect better than Word, it
doesn't mean I like Quattro Pro better than Excel (I prefer Excel).


And I haven't found a copy for sale cheap enough to tempt me.


Find an older version. It hasn't changed much recently.


but
is POed she has to move to Publisher.



Why does she have to do that? I've done desktop publishing on
WordPerfect and it worked very well for it.

Company policy, a.k.a. approved software.


Ah, OK. I thought you meant something related to WordPerfect vs. Word.

On 6/25/14 8:31 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:45:22 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/24/14 6:36 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:35:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

So when Serif offered me 75% discount on X6, current version
is X7, I bought 2 copies and gave her one. She is so happy with it,


Are you a WordPerfect fan? Welcome to the club!

I used to be. :-) But my employer at the time switched to Office, and


Microsoft Office, or WordPerfect Office? vbg

Yes, I know what you meant, but you should be careful about the names.

At the time, there wasn't an "official" Word Perfect Office. WP (Orem,
UT days) had 3 programs that for lack of a better work were integrated
in how they would work together. Word Perfect, Data Perfect, and Plan
Perfect.

And yes, it was the Days of DOS. I believe the switch was made in
general conjunction with the move to Windows, probably W4WG.


no one liked the decision. I know why it was done, it made sense, but
would be off topic here. If you want to know the details, send me an email.


No, that's OK. The details aren't important to me.


I still have my copy of WP for the Atari, a copy of Novell's version,
but I don't know as I write this if it's a Windows or Mac version.

I wish Corel made a Mac version, I'd like to take a look at Paradox. It
would be nice if they sold the WP Office components separately, but they
don't.


Like you, I wish they did. I'm generally against any kind of software
suite. I always think it's much better to choose each program
individually. Just because I like WordPerfect better than Word, it
doesn't mean I like Quattro Pro better than Excel (I prefer Excel).

I think the suite idea is more marketing than anything else.


And I haven't found a copy for sale cheap enough to tempt me.


Find an older version. It hasn't changed much recently.

Same result. Made an offer on X6 PRO on eBay, seller didn't even have
the good manners to say "No thanks". Most places want almost the same
$$ for X6 as X7.


but
is POed she has to move to Publisher.



Why does she have to do that? I've done desktop publishing on
WordPerfect and it worked very well for it.

Company policy, a.k.a. approved software.


Ah, OK. I thought you meant something related to WordPerfect vs. Word.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/25/14 12:35 PM, Neil Gould wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/25/14 12:10 AM, xfile wrote:

I have to attribute some of her use of
Open Office to be a spin-off of people thinking MS Word is the be
all end all for everything. And in her case, getting her to try
something else is difficult at best. To get her away for Open
Office, I drug her to a local library course on MS Publisher.
(Crappy course, BTW.) It opened her eyes, and she started saying
she needed a page layout program.

Again, I don’t know her exact job functions, and pretty much,
assumed that she is not an occasional user, but if she were, using a
word processor or MS Publisher isn’t so bad.

See my reply to winston for a short description of what she's doing...


It was a long time ago since my direct involvement in desktop
publishing, but at the time, I was also wondering for why technical
writers used desktop publishing software (PageMaker, at the time)
when (MS) Office was readily available for everyone, plus that I was
pretty good with MS Word for complex documents including using data
source and objects from other Office components. I was also the
kind of person thinking “MS Word is the be all end all for
everything�.

IIRC, back then the preferred page layout software for technical
writers was Ventura Publisher. Apparently it was written with the
technical writer in mind. Corel now owns it, but dropped development
long ago. I just looked, and the last version is Ventura 10, 2002.

Some of us *still* use Ventura Publisher, since it hasn't been surpassed for
some tasks. Its only real competition is FrameMaker, which I also use
because it's been kept up do date so you don't have to jump through all the
hoops that VP requires to get it to run on a current OS.

There's was a plethora of page layout software, and there's still more
than people know about. Just like they don't know anything other than
MS, too few know there's more than Adobe Photoshop, PageMaker, Quark
Express, and so on. I get disgusted with that because so many people
spend money they don't need to for the job they want to do.

Well, PageMaker is quite dead. Adobe dropped it about a decade ago, when
InDesign was introduced (InDesign was under development by Aldus, the
company that created PageMaker, at the time it was acquired by Adobe).

I didn't know this, probably because I try not to support the big
gorillas in the house. LOL

There's even a competent open source layout program, Scribus, that may
give Publisher a run for its money. I've heard the interface layout
is quirky, but I've not tried it. Requires Ghostscript for the
preview function.

[...]
To the point, there are professional-level apps, and there are lesser apps
for those who can't justify the cost or learning curve associated with them.
A company that insists on Publisher, for example, has stated that their
usage is not worth those costs.

From what I see of the company, I wouldn't be surprised that only my
friend and her supervisor even have a clue as to what page layout
software is. :-(


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/25/14 12:10 AM, xfile wrote:

I have to attribute some of her use of
Open Office to be a spin-off of people thinking MS Word is the be
all end all for everything. And in her case, getting her to try
something else is difficult at best. To get her away for Open
Office, I drug her to a local library course on MS Publisher.
(Crappy course, BTW.) It opened her eyes, and she started saying
she needed a page layout program.

Again, I don’t know her exact job functions, and pretty much,
assumed that she is not an occasional user, but if she were, using a
word processor or MS Publisher isn’t so bad.

See my reply to winston for a short description of what she's doing...


It was a long time ago since my direct involvement in desktop
publishing, but at the time, I was also wondering for why technical
writers used desktop publishing software (PageMaker, at the time)
when (MS) Office was readily available for everyone, plus that I was
pretty good with MS Word for complex documents including using data
source and objects from other Office components. I was also the
kind of person thinking “MS Word is the be all end all for
everything�.

IIRC, back then the preferred page layout software for technical
writers was Ventura Publisher. Apparently it was written with the
technical writer in mind. Corel now owns it, but dropped development
long ago. I just looked, and the last version is Ventura 10, 2002.

Some of us *still* use Ventura Publisher, since it hasn't been surpassed for
some tasks. Its only real competition is FrameMaker, which I also use
because it's been kept up do date so you don't have to jump through all the
hoops that VP requires to get it to run on a current OS.

There's was a plethora of page layout software, and there's still more
than people know about. Just like they don't know anything other than
MS, too few know there's more than Adobe Photoshop, PageMaker, Quark
Express, and so on. I get disgusted with that because so many people
spend money they don't need to for the job they want to do.

Well, PageMaker is quite dead. Adobe dropped it about a decade ago, when
InDesign was introduced (InDesign was under development by Aldus, the
company that created PageMaker, at the time it was acquired by Adobe).

There's even a competent open source layout program, Scribus, that may
give Publisher a run for its money. I've heard the interface layout
is quirky, but I've not tried it. Requires Ghostscript for the
preview function.

[...]
To the point, there are professional-level apps, and there are lesser apps
for those who can't justify the cost or learning curve associated with them.
A company that insists on Publisher, for example, has stated that their
usage is not worth those costs.
--
best regards,

Neil

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:42:50 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 8:31 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:45:22 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/24/14 6:36 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:35:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

So when Serif offered me 75% discount on X6, current version
is X7, I bought 2 copies and gave her one. She is so happy with it,


Are you a WordPerfect fan? Welcome to the club!

I used to be. :-) But my employer at the time switched to Office, and


Microsoft Office, or WordPerfect Office? vbg

Yes, I know what you meant, but you should be careful about the names.

At the time, there wasn't an "official" Word Perfect Office. WP (Orem,
UT days)


Ah, I hadn't realized how long ago you were talking about.


had 3 programs that for lack of a better work were integrated
in how they would work together. Word Perfect, Data Perfect, and Plan
Perfect.


If you had asked me to come up with the names Data Perfect and Plan
Perfect, I wouldn't have been able to. That's long ago enough that I
had completely forgotten them.





And yes, it was the Days of DOS. I believe the switch was made in
general conjunction with the move to Windows, probably W4WG.


no one liked the decision. I know why it was done, it made sense, but
would be off topic here. If you want to know the details, send me an email.


No, that's OK. The details aren't important to me.


I still have my copy of WP for the Atari, a copy of Novell's version,
but I don't know as I write this if it's a Windows or Mac version.

I wish Corel made a Mac version, I'd like to take a look at Paradox. It
would be nice if they sold the WP Office components separately, but they
don't.


Like you, I wish they did. I'm generally against any kind of software
suite. I always think it's much better to choose each program
individually. Just because I like WordPerfect better than Word, it
doesn't mean I like Quattro Pro better than Excel (I prefer Excel).

I think the suite idea is more marketing than anything else.


Definitely!


And I haven't found a copy for sale cheap enough to tempt me.


Find an older version. It hasn't changed much recently.

Same result. Made an offer on X6 PRO on eBay, seller didn't even have
the good manners to say "No thanks". Most places want almost the same
$$ for X6 as X7.


You can go back much farther than X6. You can get X3 for as little as
$66 on Amazon.com. And they have X6 for $32.54

Ken Springer wrote, On 6/25/2014 9:10 AM:
On 6/25/14 1:20 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote, On 6/24/2014 2:03 PM:


I've a friend that just learned that lesson. She kept fighting with
Open Office for some projects at work. Always complaining this or that
doesn't work. I bought her a copy of Serif's Page Plus, and she hasn't
touched Open Office since for work. But now she's got a company
computer, and is being told to use MS Publisher. And she hates
Publisher. LOL



http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/pu...in=HA104032122


Hi, Winston,

Thanks for the link, but that's the kind of stuff she already knows. :-)

The stuff she's doing won't be found in any ready-made template, it's
all custom to where she works. The company has been
revamping/redesigning their visitor center, and she's been creating the
poster sized displays. No two of the displays are identical, although
there is a generalized "look and feel" to them.

From what she says, Page Plus is far easier to use for creating
something from scratch that Publisher. I had the same impression when I
used it long ago.

It always reminds me of the old reputation MS software used to have, and
may still have... "It works, but it doesn't work well."


Publisher has a learning curve and takes a while before the curve
plateaus. Once comfort is achieved it can be a useful tool..but like
other Office products few ever use all available features.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

.. . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote, On 6/25/2014 9:10 AM:
On 6/25/14 1:20 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote, On 6/24/2014 2:03 PM:


I've a friend that just learned that lesson. She kept fighting
with Open Office for some projects at work. Always complaining
this or that doesn't work. I bought her a copy of Serif's Page
Plus, and she hasn't touched Open Office since for work. But now
she's got a company computer, and is being told to use MS
Publisher. And she hates Publisher. LOL




http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/pu...in=HA104032122


Hi, Winston,

Thanks for the link, but that's the kind of stuff she already knows.
:-)

The stuff she's doing won't be found in any ready-made template, it's
all custom to where she works. The company has been
revamping/redesigning their visitor center, and she's been creating
the poster sized displays. No two of the displays are identical,
although there is a generalized "look and feel" to them.

From what she says, Page Plus is far easier to use for creating
something from scratch that Publisher. I had the same impression
when I used it long ago.

It always reminds me of the old reputation MS software used to have,
and may still have... "It works, but it doesn't work well."


Publisher has a learning curve and takes a while before the curve
plateaus. Once comfort is achieved it can be a useful tool..but like
other Office products few ever use all available features.

Agreed, however there is small group of people that try to work well beyond
the capabilities of MS Office products. I once had to "fix" two 700+ page
user manuals for a national electronics company that were created in Word.
It would have been *a lot* cheaper for them to let me start from scratch
with a tech doc page layout app.
--
best regards,

Neil

On 6/25/14 1:15 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote, On 6/25/2014 9:10 AM:
On 6/25/14 1:20 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote, On 6/24/2014 2:03 PM:


I've a friend that just learned that lesson. She kept fighting with
Open Office for some projects at work. Always complaining this or that
doesn't work. I bought her a copy of Serif's Page Plus, and she hasn't
touched Open Office since for work. But now she's got a company
computer, and is being told to use MS Publisher. And she hates
Publisher. LOL



http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/pu...in=HA104032122


Hi, Winston,

Thanks for the link, but that's the kind of stuff she already knows. :-)

The stuff she's doing won't be found in any ready-made template, it's
all custom to where she works. The company has been
revamping/redesigning their visitor center, and she's been creating the
poster sized displays. No two of the displays are identical, although
there is a generalized "look and feel" to them.

From what she says, Page Plus is far easier to use for creating
something from scratch that Publisher. I had the same impression when I
used it long ago.

It always reminds me of the old reputation MS software used to have, and
may still have... "It works, but it doesn't work well."


Publisher has a learning curve and takes a while before the curve
plateaus. Once comfort is achieved it can be a useful tool..but like
other Office products few ever use all available features.

My friend got her stuff done in Page Plus in no time. Frustrated trying
to recreate the same projects in Publisher. And not happy that there is
no kerning in Publisher, which she wanted to use once she learned what
kerning is.

Do you have a copy of Publisher 2010? Would you be interested in trying
an experiment to see if MS fixed a font bug I know about?


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/25/14 12:43 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:42:50 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 8:31 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:45:22 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/24/14 6:36 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:35:13 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

So when Serif offered me 75% discount on X6, current version
is X7, I bought 2 copies and gave her one. She is so happy with it,


Are you a WordPerfect fan? Welcome to the club!

I used to be. :-) But my employer at the time switched to Office, and


Microsoft Office, or WordPerfect Office? vbg

Yes, I know what you meant, but you should be careful about the names.

At the time, there wasn't an "official" Word Perfect Office. WP (Orem,
UT days)


Ah, I hadn't realized how long ago you were talking about.


had 3 programs that for lack of a better work were integrated
in how they would work together. Word Perfect, Data Perfect, and Plan
Perfect.


If you had asked me to come up with the names Data Perfect and Plan
Perfect, I wouldn't have been able to. That's long ago enough that I
had completely forgotten them.

I actually have copies of WP 5.0 and PlanPerfect X.X around here
somewhere. Would like to get my hands on Data Perfect to have the
complete set. I've got an old Compaq computer with Xerox's TabWorx
interface, not W4WG. And I've got the manual, too.

And yes, it was the Days of DOS. I believe the switch was made in
general conjunction with the move to Windows, probably W4WG.


no one liked the decision. I know why it was done, it made sense, but
would be off topic here. If you want to know the details, send me an email.


No, that's OK. The details aren't important to me.


I still have my copy of WP for the Atari, a copy of Novell's version,
but I don't know as I write this if it's a Windows or Mac version.

I wish Corel made a Mac version, I'd like to take a look at Paradox. It
would be nice if they sold the WP Office components separately, but they
don't.


Like you, I wish they did. I'm generally against any kind of software
suite. I always think it's much better to choose each program
individually. Just because I like WordPerfect better than Word, it
doesn't mean I like Quattro Pro better than Excel (I prefer Excel).

I think the suite idea is more marketing than anything else.


Definitely!


And I haven't found a copy for sale cheap enough to tempt me.


Find an older version. It hasn't changed much recently.

Same result. Made an offer on X6 PRO on eBay, seller didn't even have
the good manners to say "No thanks". Most places want almost the same
$$ for X6 as X7.


You can go back much farther than X6. You can get X3 for as little as
$66 on Amazon.com. And they have X6 for $32.54

The problem with the low priced packages is they are not the Pro
version, and you need Pro to get Paradox.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:12:21 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 12:43 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:42:50 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

You can go back much farther than X6. You can get X3 for as little as
$66 on Amazon.com. And they have X6 for $32.54

The problem with the low priced packages is they are not the Pro
version, and you need Pro to get Paradox.


OK, understood. I never wanted Paradox. I never wanted anything but
WordPerfect itself.

On 6/25/14 4:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:12:21 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 12:43 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:42:50 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

You can go back much farther than X6. You can get X3 for as little as
$66 on Amazon.com. And they have X6 for $32.54

The problem with the low priced packages is they are not the Pro
version, and you need Pro to get Paradox.


OK, understood. I never wanted Paradox. I never wanted anything but
WordPerfect itself.

Where does WP Office 11 fit in with the X? naming convention?



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Hi, Ken.

The Calendar in WordPerfect Library - or was it WordPerfect Office - was the
best one FOR ME that I ever used. But it ran in DOS and never made the
transition to Windows. There were and are many other calendars, of course,
but none of them ever showed the Memo and ToDo lists as clearly and
conveniently as WP's Calendar. It has been gone for 20 years and I still
miss it.

RC


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:12:21 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 12:43 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:42:50 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

You can go back much farther than X6. You can get X3 for as little as
$66 on Amazon.com. And they have X6 for $32.54

The problem with the low priced packages is they are not the Pro
version, and you need Pro to get Paradox.


OK, understood. I never wanted Paradox. I never wanted anything but
WordPerfect itself.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:10:30 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 4:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:12:21 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 6/25/14 12:43 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:42:50 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

You can go back much farther than X6. You can get X3 for as little as
$66 on Amazon.com. And they have X6 for $32.54

The problem with the low priced packages is they are not the Pro
version, and you need Pro to get Paradox.


OK, understood. I never wanted Paradox. I never wanted anything but
WordPerfect itself.

Where does WP Office 11 fit in with the X? naming convention?



The first version with an X number was X3. Why? I don't know, but I
have a guess. They didn't want to use 13 because some people think
it's an unlucky number, so they used a half-Roman, half Arabic
numeral.

What will the version after X9 be called? X10? XX? 20? I don't know
that either.