[OT] Why you should use windows 8

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400
Mark Warner wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to
what Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it.
They have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".

Sure, you can modify that with *third* *party* *tools*, but Joe User
uses what's put in front of him and /might/ change the wallpaper. The
fact that it can be tamed by third party tools means it's easily
enough done, and should have been done by MSFT. For tablets and
touchscreen laptops/desktops, Modern/Metro might have been a viable
option, but it should have been just that, an *option*.


Because of the absence of that option, I chose Linux Mint.

It's obvious what people want.

Fifty percent of people using windows use Windows 7, and twenty five
percent use XP.

18% use Windows 8.

The Windows 8 percentage would be smaller, but Microsoft is Forcing
people to change.

On 07/29/2014 05:45 PM, Wolf K wrote:

Oh my oh my oh my, we don't want to find out anything about the devices
we use, do we?

It's a question of degree. If you buy a new car, then yes, you need to
learn how to use the newer, fancier radio, and how the wiper controls
differ from the old model, and things of that nature. But the basic
operating components -- accelerator pedal, brake pedal, gearshift, etc.
-- should all still work the same.

Pardon my testiness, but I'm getting kinda fried by complaints from
people who haven't a clue about to make their machines behave the way
they want.

LOL. You should try getting people up to speed with a Linux desktop.

--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
....lose .inhibitions when replying

Johnny écrivait
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snip

The Windows 8 percentage would be smaller, but Microsoft is Forcing
people to change.



If Microsoft is "Forcing PEOPLE(s) to change",

They're not the only one(s)...

Boolworm Cowboy écrivait
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:23:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Latest M$ ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Can you see yourself ?
[]'s

I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to
the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer
heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want these
goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen? Touch
screen on a desktop is ridiculous; I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an
android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely large
screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could
get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass
to fix it right....

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida



My desktop PC is more stable since I've upgraded to W8 over W7. It's now
at 8.1.

FWIW, when I fireup my desktop, I click on the Firefox tile in the middle
of the screen (it's usually the first app that I use) and I'm right back
to the desktop.

To get an old style "Start Menu", right click on the taskbar, select
"Toolbar|Create Toolbar..." and select the folder

"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu"

On my Windows8, it's called "Menu Demarrer".

On my system it put the new toolbar on the right side of the taskbar but
it works like a charm; you have to click on the small arrows at the right
side of the name of the toolbar to open it.

HTH

Dominique écrivait news:XnFA379BE2EA871doumdomainnet@
78.46.70.116:

Boolworm Cowboy écrivait
:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:23:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Latest M$ ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Can you see yourself ? []'s

I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to
the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows XP Professional
computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer heaven. Taken
from
an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with Windows 7 or XP as long as you
can. Why in the world would I want these goofy tablet tiles
cluttering
up my screen? Touch screen on a desktop is ridiculous; I like my
mouse!
Oh, yes, I have an android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have
an 8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely
large screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't use the
other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could get rid
of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft screwed-up big time,
and
they need to get their heads out of their ass to fix it right....

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida



My desktop PC is more stable since I've upgraded to W8 over W7. It's
now
at 8.1.

FWIW, when I fireup my desktop, I click on the Firefox tile in the
middle
of the screen (it's usually the first app that I use) and I'm right
back
to the desktop.

To get an old style "Start Menu", right click on the taskbar, select
"Toolbar|Create Toolbar..." and select the folder

"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu"

On my Windows8, it's called "Menu Demarrer".

On my system it put the new toolbar on the right side of the taskbar
but
it works like a charm; you have to click on the small arrows at the
right
side of the name of the toolbar to open it.

HTH




.... and with the Right-click menu on the "Windows logo" at the left of
the taskbar, you can get just about everywhere on your system more easily
than ever.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:27:57 -0500, Bevo wrote:

On 7/29/2014 11:50 AM, cully when wrote:
Why not give Class Shell a go, http://classicshell.net. It brings back the start menu and your
desktop resembles Windows 7.

I use Classic Shell and a mouse, and my Windows 7 experience translates nicely to Windows 8.



Classic Shell is very good, but in my view Start8 is even better. It
costs only $5 US and comes with a 30-day free trial, so you might
want to give it a try and see what you think
(http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/).

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:54:19 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

Agreed, the Modern and desktop GUIs should be options. User should be
able to set which one to boot into on first use during account setup.


I agree, although as far as I'm concerned, it's a relatively minor
point.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:05:42 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:17:53 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:55:44 -0700, Charles Lindbergh
wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:21:47 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:51:35 -0400, Mark Warner
wrote:

On 7/29/2014 1:51 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I agree that Microsoft screwed up, but not so much with regard to what
Windows 8 *is*, but in how they advertised and documented it. They
have confused countless people who don't realize the following:

No, where MSFT screwed up was making the default interface for W8
consist of "goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen".


That's your view. We disagree.

I agree with Mark.


Feel free to have whatever opinion you want.

Microsoft didn't 'confuse countless people' they dumped on their loyal
desktop users. *DUMPED* as in **** bucketloads over them. Their arrogance
is astonishing and so is yours pal. I'm not 'confused' at all. So let's
clear up any confusion. *Desktop users want the option of having a start
menu*. Do you seriously think corporate clients want to rely on a third
party tool? Larf.



I actually agree with much of what you say in the above paragraph (but
not with your rudeness). Yes, they should have the option, and no,
they shouldn't have to rely on a third-party tool.

However, as far as I'm concerned, it's easy to get around what
Microsoft did that it doesn't bother me much at all.

On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:45:31 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:


Oh my oh my oh my, we don't want to find out anything about the devices
we use, do we?

Pardon my testiness, but I'm getting kinda fried by complaints from
people who haven't a clue about to make their machines behave the way
they want.


Ditto!

On 7/29/2014 6:41 PM, Dominique wrote:
Boolworm Cowboy �crivait
:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:23:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Latest M$ ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Can you see yourself ?
[]'s

I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to
the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer
heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want these
goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen? Touch
screen on a desktop is ridiculous; I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an
android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely large
screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could
get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass
to fix it right....

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida



My desktop PC is more stable since I've upgraded to W8 over W7. It's now
at 8.1.

FWIW, when I fireup my desktop, I click on the Firefox tile in the middle
of the screen (it's usually the first app that I use) and I'm right back
to the desktop.

To get an old style "Start Menu", right click on the taskbar, select
"Toolbar|Create Toolbar..." and select the folder

"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu"

On my Windows8, it's called "Menu Demarrer".

On my system it put the new toolbar on the right side of the taskbar but
it works like a charm; you have to click on the small arrows at the right
side of the name of the toolbar to open it.

HTH


The easiest way to get a modern version of the old desktop is to go to
the taskbar in the Desktop interface, right Click, Properties,
Navigation and check "when I sign in or close app ...................."

This will cause the machine to boot to the desktop and you do not have
to mess with the Metro icons.

All of the function or the old Start Menu are available by right
clicking on the MS Icon on the left side of the Desktop taskbar. The
documents are available by right clicking on the program icon for
programs pin to the taskbar.

On 7/29/2014 6:36 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
Classic Shell is very good, but in my view Start8 is even better. It
costs only $5 US and comes with a 30-day free trial, so you might
want to give it a try and see what you think
(http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/).


Stardock has some very nice products.

It is not the $5 that bothers me as much as the lack of freedom to install a product at will
on a collection of my host PCs and VMs, as well as my friend's machines.

Keith Nuttle écrivait news:lr9bvc$md9$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

snip

My desktop PC is more stable since I've upgraded to W8 over W7. It's
now
at 8.1.

FWIW, when I fireup my desktop, I click on the Firefox tile in the
middle
of the screen (it's usually the first app that I use) and I'm right
back
to the desktop.

To get an old style "Start Menu", right click on the taskbar, select
"Toolbar|Create Toolbar..." and select the folder

"C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu"

On my Windows8, it's called "Menu Demarrer".

On my system it put the new toolbar on the right side of the taskbar
but
it works like a charm; you have to click on the small arrows at the
right
side of the name of the toolbar to open it.

HTH


The easiest way to get a modern version of the old desktop is to go to
the taskbar in the Desktop interface, right Click, Properties,
Navigation and check "when I sign in or close app ...................."

This will cause the machine to boot to the desktop and you do not have
to mess with the Metro icons.

All of the function or the old Start Menu are available by right
clicking on the MS Icon on the left side of the Desktop taskbar. The
documents are available by right clicking on the program icon for
programs pin to the taskbar.

When I right-click on the Windows icon, I don't get programs that I've
installed, but when I open my toolbar, I get a WinME style "Start Menu";
which is quite nice.

The functions available from the Windows Menu are very useful though.

Texas has brought this to us :
On 7/29/2014 2:30 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
Yet you think it's okay for the *default* interface to consist of "goofy
tablet tiles cluttering up
my screen"??? Foist that on the unsophisticated users while the MVPs apply
hacks to make it behave
the way it should?


Been doing that since I installed DESQview atop MSDOS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DESQview

Ahhh the days of DESQview, QEMM and running your BBS in as many windows
as you had modems for (3 in my case, pgone company was getting too much
of my money as it was).

Ed Propes

stop complaining about win8.1 and just learn to use it. And set it up the
way you want. What your saying has been covered time and time again.

go to stardock and you will find what your looking for. or get classic
shell.

Here little one. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
And shut the f*ck up dame.

complain and complain. That's all people do.

On 29/07/2014 22:45, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-07-29 12:33 PM, Boolworm Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 09:23:45 -0300, Shadow wrote:

Latest M$ ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf-XI-gihN8

Can you see yourself ?
[]'s

I use Windows 8.1, and I think it sucks! Unfortunately, when I went to
the store that's all they had when my poor old Windows
XP Professional computer finally bit the dust, and went to computer
heaven. Taken from an actual Windows 8.1 user; stick with
Windows 7 or XP as long as you can. Why in the world would I want
these goofy tablet tiles cluttering up my screen? Touch
screen on a desktop is ridiculous; I like my mouse! Oh, yes, I have an
android tablet, and I love the tiles when you have an
8 to 10-inch screen; However, on my desktop, I have two extremely
large screens, so I can enjoy my online games, and I don't
use the other screen at all. I only use the desktop, and wish I could
get rid of the tile crap altogether. I think Microsoft
screwed-up big time, and they need to get their heads out of their ass
to fix it right....

Regards,

Bookworm Cowboy
Lakeland, Florida

Oh my oh my oh my, we don't want to find out anything about the devices
we use, do we?

Pardon my testiness, but I'm getting kinda fried by complaints from
people who haven't a clue about to make their machines behave the way
they want.

You don't have to have those tiles "cluttering up your screen".

a) You can click on the Desktop tile to get there;
b) You can boot directly into the desktop;
c) You can Delete the tiles you don't want;
d) You can use Classic Shell or Start8 to get your familiar desktop back;
e) You add ModernMix to Start8, and the "apps" will behave like regular
programs (which in fact they are).

Have a good day,

Exactly. That's one of the first things I did when I installed Win8.1.

Some folk just don't want to find out about some things and expect them
to work straight of of the box. If they don't then they start to
complain etc.
I wonder if they do that with a dvd recorder or something similar?