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On 09/08/2014 20:12, BillW50 wrote:


Why are you posting in HTML in a plain text newsgroup Good Guy?

Because I do what I want to do. If you are allergic to HTML then
killfile my posts. No more arguments or debates from about this. this
has been resolved months ago when some idiot started complaining and now
he has almost gave up.

And how is that forum is going to help Norman? That is a forum owned
and operated by Microsoft which promotes and pushes Microsoft
propaganda.

That forum promotes best computing practice. When did you last visit
there? He is using Microsoft product so there is no point in sending
him to Apple Mac forums or Linus forums, Don't you agree?

And as far as Microsoft is concern, newsgroups are dead.
Yes because the technology is dated. Newsgroups are good for people
using XP and earlier versions of Microsoft products. Windows7, Windows
8 have good browsers and forums make a big change where people don't
complain about HTML allergies.

But we know better since we are still using them. Microsoft claims a
lot of things that are not true either.


Such as? Example with authoritative links please.

Good Guy wrote on Saturday 8/9/2014 3:40 PM:
On 09/08/2014 19:43, Big Al wrote:
And from reading, I hear Facebook is falling out of favor. I myself
have gone from 2-4 hours a day to 20 minutes every 3 days. Course
that's mostly cause I stopped playing their crappy flash games.

And I can't quite get a reason for twitter.

I don't even have a facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn (or whatever is out
there) accounts. So I don't know what you were spending 4 hours there
for? Are they some dating sites? What are they? i know people are too
busy these days going out in the park to exercise but spending 4 hours
on these sites must be something very interesting. Could you explain?




Facebook IIRC is social media. You make an account, friend people (or
places like McCormick Spices). Your main page is like a news feed of
items down the page. Those items can be posts (comments) from all of
those sources you friended. McCormick Spices will post obvious ads,
but some good recipes (with pics) to your page. Your friends can make
a comment that they just had a great morning walk, a less than great
fact but yet you'll get that too on your feed.

A large group of my family, maybe 20-30, are all on Facebook. My
daughter-in-law that is 25 miles from me on the other side of the city
with my 2 grandkids posts 10 or so times a day with things she and the
kids are doing. So I get to see via pics, and comments what is going
on. We see them often but not daily.

I got on for the above, and then my nephew's wife got me into playing
games that facebook offers. Zynga IIRC is the company, and the games
kinda tie into facebook. You can play the game with other friends, and
9 outa 10 times you have to have support from friends to play the games.
It's a come on to get you to their site, and drag others for sure, and
ads do show up etc, but the games were fun!. However all the family
quit playing so I was left in the dark and the games lost favor. Now I
only glance in for 2 minutes or so every other day to see how others are
doing.

I've friended football and baseball clubs that I like and NASCAR. So
news articles they post to FB also show on my feed. It's informative
if done right.

I'm not sure of any other sites. At 67 and not hightly active / social
I don't have much input on FB.

In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 09/08/2014 20:12, BillW50 wrote:

Why are you posting in HTML in a plain text newsgroup Good Guy?

Because I do what I want to do. If you are allergic to HTML then
killfile my posts. No more arguments or debates from about this. this
has been resolved months ago when some idiot started complaining and
now he has almost gave up.

So you are a Bad Guy pretending to be a Good Guy. That is good to know.

And how is that forum is going to help Norman? That is a forum owned
and operated by Microsoft which promotes and pushes Microsoft
propaganda.

That forum promotes best computing practice. When did you last visit
there? He is using Microsoft product so there is no point in sending
him to Apple Mac forums or Linus forums, Don't you agree?

Best practices? When has Microsoft been the best practices in anything?
If anything, the old Microsoft has been far better than the new
Microsoft. As the new stuff from Microsoft is so crappy compared to
their older stuff.

And as far as Microsoft is concern, newsgroups are dead.

Yes because the technology is dated. Newsgroups are good for people
using XP and earlier versions of Microsoft products. Windows7,
Windows 8 have good browsers and forums make a big change where
people don't complain about HTML allergies.

Dated things doesn't mean dead things. For example, most people are
still driving around in internal combustion engine vehicles that are
over 100 years now.

And speaking about Windows 7 and Windows 8, I have been using Windows 7
since 2009 and Windows 8 since March of 2012. So when did you start
using them?

And speaking about web forums vs. newsgroups, you can do offline
newsgroups, but offline web forums are virtually impossible. What good
is that? Web forums you can't sort or search with your own software, you
have to use theirs that you can't trust anyway. Plus unless you kiss ass
towards the web forums moderators, you can't say the real truth. What
good is advice and helpful insights without being truthful? Why mislead
the same people you are helping? I don't find that helpful at all!

But we know better since we are still using them. Microsoft claims a
lot of things that are not true either.

Such as? Example with authoritative links please.

They claim that Windows can't be booted from USB drives, Windows can't
be separated from Internet Explorer, etc. Microsoft is also the last
people on Earth that I would trust as far as security. As they are total
bozos in this department.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:43:31 -0400, Big Al wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on Saturday 8/9/2014 1:44 PM:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:50:40 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 15:55:46 +0100, "Norman"
wrote:

I'll never use social networks.


That's also what I think today, but who knows what tomorrow will
bring. The social networks can change and my tastes can change.

And from reading, I hear Facebook is falling out of favor. I myself
have gone from 2-4 hours a day to 20 minutes every 3 days. Course
that's mostly cause I stopped playing their crappy flash games.


I don't play any kind of computer games, except occasionally Chess
(but that's a game *on* the computer, not a computer game), and
occasionally spider solitaire (and that's just a mindless way to
relax).


And I can't quite get a reason for twitter.


Ditto!

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:55:41 -0400, Big Al wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on Saturday 8/9/2014 2:26 PM:
On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:46:59 +0000 (UTC), North Lancs Radio Shack
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 15:55:46 +0100, Norman wrote:

Couldn't find a single usenet app for Windows 8. That means nobody cares
about usenet. All they want is social networks.

If you really must, Windows Livemail has newsgroup access...


Ugh! Ugh! Ugh! You want him to post here with quoting that is so
terrible it will confuse everyone?

If someone uses Windows Live Mail to post to a newsgroup I frequent,
unless he adds the needed s manually (which almost nobody does) he
quickly ends in up in my killfile.

Thanks for the confirmation. I've been seeing at lot more posts that
don't have the s and wondered why. I did look at the source on one
and saw Windows Live Mail. Wondered if that was the sole reason.


Almost always.


Thanks again! Kinda closes that little question mark in my brain. :-)


You're welcome. Glad to help.

In ,
Ken Blake, MVP typed:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 14:43:31 -0400, Big Al wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on Saturday 8/9/2014 1:44 PM:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:50:40 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 15:55:46 +0100, "Norman"
wrote:

I'll never use social networks.

That's also what I think today, but who knows what tomorrow will
bring. The social networks can change and my tastes can change.

And from reading, I hear Facebook is falling out of favor. I myself
have gone from 2-4 hours a day to 20 minutes every 3 days. Course
that's mostly cause I stopped playing their crappy flash games.

I don't play any kind of computer games, except occasionally Chess
(but that's a game *on* the computer, not a computer game), and
occasionally spider solitaire (and that's just a mindless way to
relax).

Ken Blake IMHO is an insult to MVPs for starters. And Ken doesn't
understand much when it comes to computers. He doesn't understand that
computers can build coordination skills, resolve what if problems, solve
highly advanced mathematically solutions, virtualize almost
anything, etc.

I also don't find Ken Blake with much of the way of intellectual skills,
but one with about the intelligence of a sixth grader. The times I have
dealt with him, he isn't very hot in this department. Ken is very
opinionated and has very little ability to learn new things. If anybody
finds Ken with something greater than that, I love to hear about it.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 11:26:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:46:59 +0000 (UTC), North Lancs Radio Shack
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 15:55:46 +0100, Norman wrote:

Couldn't find a single usenet app for Windows 8. That means nobody cares
about usenet. All they want is social networks.

If you really must, Windows Livemail has newsgroup access...


Ugh! Ugh! Ugh! You want him to post here with quoting that is so
terrible it will confuse everyone?

If someone uses Windows Live Mail to post to a newsgroup I frequent,
unless he adds the needed s manually (which almost nobody does) he
quickly ends in up in my killfile.

+1

On 09/08/2014 19:26, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
If someone uses Windows Live Mail to post to a newsgroup I frequent,
unless he adds the needed s manually (which almost nobody does) he
quickly ends in up in my killfile.

That is why I always advocate people to use HTML posts on all newsgroups
that supports it. This is 21st Century and HTML can avoid all sorts of
problems such as quoting of replied posts.

The fact of the matter is, Microsoft has moved on to the 21st century
while its users have remained in the 20th century technology.
Newsgroups are 20th century technology. I am not saying NG are bad but
I am simply saying it hasn't kept up-to-date with the effluxion of time.

On 09/08/2014 22:37, BillW50 wrote:
I also don't find Ken Blake with much of the way of intellectual
skills, but one with about the intelligence of a sixth grader. The
times I have dealt with him, he isn't very hot in this department. Ken
is very opinionated and has very little ability to learn new things.
If anybody finds Ken with something greater than that, I love to hear
about it.


The sayings goes like this: You can't teach old dogs new tricks". Don't
expect Ken to change. He can't think in broad terms now that he is
retired and perhaps suffering from Dementia. Just don't give him any
hassle on these newsgroups. Let him enjoy himself and pass time here.

In ,
Monty typed:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 11:26:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 17:46:59 +0000 (UTC), North Lancs Radio Shack
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 15:55:46 +0100, Norman wrote:

Couldn't find a single usenet app for Windows 8. That means nobody
cares about usenet. All they want is social networks.

If you really must, Windows Livemail has newsgroup access...

Ugh! Ugh! Ugh! You want him to post here with quoting that is so
terrible it will confuse everyone?

If someone uses Windows Live Mail to post to a newsgroup I frequent,
unless he adds the needed s manually (which almost nobody does) he
quickly ends in up in my killfile.

+1

No need to do so manually, there are scripts and macros to do it for
you. Why do things manually when mundane tasks are easily done by
computers and they don't mind one bit what you ask them to do?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 09/08/2014 22:37, BillW50 wrote:
I also don't find Ken Blake with much of the way of intellectual
skills, but one with about the intelligence of a sixth grader. The
times I have dealt with him, he isn't very hot in this department.
Ken is very opinionated and has very little ability to learn new
things. If anybody finds Ken with something greater than that, I
love to hear about it.

The sayings goes like this: You can't teach old dogs new tricks".
Don't expect Ken to change. He can't think in broad terms now that
he is retired and perhaps suffering from Dementia. Just don't give
him any hassle on these newsgroups. Let him enjoy himself and pass
time here.

And let him step on and kill anybody he wants too? I don't think so!

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

On 10/08/2014 00:08, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 09/08/2014 22:37, BillW50 wrote:
I also don't find Ken Blake with much of the way of intellectual
skills, but one with about the intelligence of a sixth grader. The
times I have dealt with him, he isn't very hot in this department.
Ken is very opinionated and has very little ability to learn new
things. If anybody finds Ken with something greater than that, I
love to hear about it.
The sayings goes like this: You can't teach old dogs new tricks".
Don't expect Ken to change. He can't think in broad terms now that
he is retired and perhaps suffering from Dementia. Just don't give
him any hassle on these newsgroups. Let him enjoy himself and pass
time here.
And let him step on and kill anybody he wants too? I don't think so!


No. He is not capable of killing anybody. He only has a sharp tongue
but that doesn't kill anybody.

In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 10/08/2014 00:08, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 09/08/2014 22:37, BillW50 wrote:
I also don't find Ken Blake with much of the way of intellectual
skills, but one with about the intelligence of a sixth grader. The
times I have dealt with him, he isn't very hot in this department.
Ken is very opinionated and has very little ability to learn new
things. If anybody finds Ken with something greater than that, I
love to hear about it.

The sayings goes like this: You can't teach old dogs new tricks".
Don't expect Ken to change. He can't think in broad terms now that
he is retired and perhaps suffering from Dementia. Just don't give
him any hassle on these newsgroups. Let him enjoy himself and pass
time here.

And let him step on and kill anybody he wants too? I don't think so!

No. He is not capable of killing anybody.

Really? And you know this how?

He only has a sharp tongue but that doesn't kill anybody.

Really? You know for a fact that he has never been in the military or
anything eh? Anyway, that still doesn't give anybody the right to step
on anybody.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 09/08/2014 19:26, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
If someone uses Windows Live Mail to post to a newsgroup I frequent,
unless he adds the needed s manually (which almost nobody does) he
quickly ends in up in my killfile.

That is why I always advocate people to use HTML posts on all
newsgroups that supports it. This is 21st Century and HTML can avoid
all sorts of problems such as quoting of replied posts.

Actually no!

The fact of the matter is, Microsoft has moved on to the 21st century
while its users have remained in the 20th century technology.
Newsgroups are 20th century technology. I am not saying NG are bad
but I am simply saying it hasn't kept up-to-date with the effluxion
of time.

No what you are saying is newsgroups are 20th technology and not
valuable. And you are not capable of keeping older technology with the
new. Why can't you adapt? It is really simple and as Gary Kildall once
said, any half wit could do it.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Good Guy typed:
On 09/08/2014 15:55, Norman wrote:
Couldn't find a single usenet app for Windows 8. That means nobody
cares about usenet. All they want is social networks.

It depends on how technical your question is but the official support
is at this link:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/home?category=w8itpro

This link is not social network and so please don't expect to start a
chat or to pick a bird on that forum. It is an Official Microsoft
Support Forum where you get real people (MSFT and Volunteers who are
competent) providing solutions to real life problems. No spam and no
l;inks to crack sites.

Why are you posting in HTML in a plain text newsgroup Good Guy?

And how is that forum is going to help Norman? That is a forum owned and
operated by Microsoft which promotes and pushes Microsoft propaganda.
And as far as Microsoft is concern, newsgroups are dead. But we know
better since we are still using them. Microsoft claims a lot of things
that are not true either.


Newsgroups (Usenet) will die before the MSFT forums for one primary reason.

Usenet is primarily frequented by a much older generation...and the
older we get the sooner we expire...usenet will too.

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...winston
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