Forgotten login details

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Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

--

Phil, London

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +0100, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

In article , says...

Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

Would it be as simple as trying each of his possible email addresses until
one of them works? Even if he has a dozen or two, it shouldn't take long to
try each until you get a hit.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +0100, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.


If someone can't remember his e-mail address, almost any of his
correspondents could tell him.

Ken

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:12:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +0100, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

If someone can't remember his e-mail address, almost any of his
correspondents could tell him.

Ken

Or his e-mail program, i.e., look at the headers in your mail reader or
some such.

But if I recall correctly, there's a possibility that it's an e-mail
address that might not be used in actual correspondence. As in it could
be used to create and register an account, but not to communicate.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:20:38 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:12:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +0100, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

If someone can't remember his e-mail address, almost any of his
correspondents could tell him.

Ken

Or his e-mail program, i.e., look at the headers in your mail reader or
some such.



Yes, but if someone doesn't know how to find his e-mail address,
there's a good chance he doesn't know how to look at headers.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:39:43 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:20:38 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:12:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +0100, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

If someone can't remember his e-mail address, almost any of his
correspondents could tell him.

Ken

Or his e-mail program, i.e., look at the headers in your mail reader or
some such.

Yes, but if someone doesn't know how to find his e-mail address,
there's a good chance he doesn't know how to look at headers.

What stops me from arguing with you is that leg which I don't have to
stand on :-)

In truth, I do have two vaguely functional legs, so that's merely a
metaphor or simile or whatever it is.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 2014-10-10, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...

Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

But when the boot up is done, the email-id is displayed underneath
the "user's" name! at least it did for me. So it shouldn't be a
problem!

On 2014-10-11, lew wrote:
On 2014-10-10, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...

Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

But when the boot up is done, the email-id is displayed underneath
the "user's" name! at least it did for me. So it shouldn't be a
problem!

forgot to say that it is displayed at the login prompt.

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:12:12 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:32:32 +0100, Philip Herlihy
wrote:

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

If someone can't remember his e-mail address, almost any of his
correspondents could tell him.

Ken

Or his e-mail program, i.e., look at the headers in your mail reader or
some such.

But if I recall correctly, there's a possibility that it's an e-mail
address that might not be used in actual correspondence. As in it could
be used to create and register an account, but not to communicate.

That's one route, though iirc, the op needed the email address to logon
to Windows 8x. If so then maybe he could try that other posters 'Hidden
Admin' breach to create a new admin account, take ownership of the
forgotten account's email folders and look at some sent email messages.


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

lew wrote:
On 2014-10-10, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...

Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

But when the boot up is done, the email-id is displayed underneath
the "user's" name! at least it did for me. So it shouldn't be a
problem!

Correct...that's how 8x works for MSFT accounts - shows the MSFT account
email address on the logon screen accessible after clicking the username
icon on the 'Welcome' screen.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

In article , says...

lew wrote:
On 2014-10-10, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...

Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

But when the boot up is done, the email-id is displayed underneath
the "user's" name! at least it did for me. So it shouldn't be a
problem!

Correct...that's how 8x works for MSFT accounts - shows the MSFT account
email address on the logon screen accessible after clicking the username
icon on the 'Welcome' screen.

Well, this friend (of a friend) isn't responding to messages now, so he
won't be getting any more help from me.

To clarify further, he's evidently not technically astute. He knows the
password, as he's had to type it, but has no record of the email address
(MSFT account) which I suspect was generated for him in-store. I'm
guessing that if the laptop has only one account configured, then only
the password dialogue may be shown (no choice of account necessary, so
no display of account name).

You mentioned a "hidden admin breach". I've trawled through this
thread, but I can't see that. In any event, that utility I found does
look like it may do the job, providing it displays MSFT accounts in the
same way the screenshot shows it displays local ones. I'd guess it
would, and the free demo would get us that far! If he does ever get
back to me, that's what we'll try.

Thanks, everyone - great to be part of so helpful a group.

--

Phil, London

Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...

lew wrote:
On 2014-10-10, Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...

Gary wrote:
Are you saying if I change the password of MS account on web mail, it's
possible to login Windows 8 with MS account and new password?

One doesn't change the password for a MSFT in web mail (technically
speaking), the option to select 'Change Password' can be found on:
https://account.live.com/proofs/Manage

And yes....if the password is changed in the MSFT account in the web UI,
then the new information will become necessary to logon with that same
MSFT account when used as the logon account on Win8x.

Likewise if one uses Windows 8x option to change the password under the
Modern UI's 'PC Settings/Accounts/Sign-in Options' then the new password
will become necessary to logon in the web UI in a browser. (Note: it
would also be necessary to update MSFT account passwords in some email
accounts).

i.e. Syncing is a two-way street

Just to clarify, what I've been told (!) is that it's the "email
address" which is forgotten, not the password.

But when the boot up is done, the email-id is displayed underneath
the "user's" name! at least it did for me. So it shouldn't be a
problem!

Correct...that's how 8x works for MSFT accounts - shows the MSFT account
email address on the logon screen accessible after clicking the username
icon on the 'Welcome' screen.

Well, this friend (of a friend) isn't responding to messages now, so he
won't be getting any more help from me.

To clarify further, he's evidently not technically astute. He knows the
password, as he's had to type it, but has no record of the email address
(MSFT account) which I suspect was generated for him in-store. I'm
guessing that if the laptop has only one account configured, then only
the password dialogue may be shown (no choice of account necessary, so
no display of account name).

Even with one single MSFT account the email address of the user account
is displayed and only on the same screen as the password prompt dialog.

You mentioned a "hidden admin breach". I've trawled through this
thread, but I can't see that. In any event, that utility I found does
look like it may do the job, providing it displays MSFT accounts in the
same way the screenshot shows it displays local ones. I'd guess it
would, and the free demo would get us that far! If he does ever get
back to me, that's what we'll try.

Thanks, everyone - great to be part of so helpful a group.



--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

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Even with one single MSFT account the email address of the user account
is displayed and only on the same screen as the password prompt dialog.


Maybe he's realised that, and has gone quiet out of sheer shame! :-)


--

Phil, London

Philip Herlihy wrote:
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Even with one single MSFT account the email address of the user account
is displayed and only on the same screen as the password prompt dialog.


Maybe he's realised that, and has gone quiet out of sheer shame! :-)



Strong possibility. I wouldn't bet against that theory.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

In article , says...

Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article , says...



Even with one single MSFT account the email address of the user account
is displayed and only on the same screen as the password prompt dialog.


Maybe he's realised that, and has gone quiet out of sheer shame! :-)



Strong possibility. I wouldn't bet against that theory.

I'm sorry to have trouble people here with this. If he hadn't been
evidently a 'vulnerable' person I'd have required a lot more from him.

--

Phil, London