About Windows 8 (10) license (transferable license)

On 26/01/2015 23:46, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:08:36 +0000, JiiPee wrote:


Also note that if you run a firewall and excellent anti-virus and
anti-spyware programs and practice safe hex, the risk of getting
infected isn't zero, but it's very low. I've been extensively using
personal computers (several of them) since 1987, and I've never had an
infection.
I got one couple of days ago when installing a program which should have
been ok (I installed it before with no problems) and surely has been a
good program at least before.

What program and what virus? From where did you download it?



Its very strange I got it as it should have been a well know program
among programmers. but.. its possible i pressed some wrong donwload
buttons as well, cannot be 100% sure. I am not sure if its a good idea
to mention the name of the program just now as it might give bad
reputation for it for nothing. I have to first ensure it was that
program which did it. Maybe to install it again with VM and see is the
virus comes.

If I test it later and am sure then I might come back with the name.

On 26/01/2015 23:07, . . .winston wrote:
JiiPee wrote:
On 26/01/2015 08:38, . . .winston wrote:
JiiPee wrote:

And always recognize that MSFT licenses the software for use and all
licenses are for a single device (e.g. on a hard drive or VM, but not
both at the same time)


Thanks for the info. Good to know.
I still think its a bit sad its like that.... because it just makes
peoples life difficult...its much easier to operate having them in both
at the same time, and the thing is that not everybody has the money to
buy many licenses even if they wanted (to people who say "well, then why
dont you buy 5 licenses...?"). Not everybody is rich. Many people are
actually poor, like students/young people. So its kind of making peoples
life jjust difficult. But its not your fault.. . Just saying...

And its also not really logical: Windows is a certain kind of program (a
program which does not need operating system, but a program anyway)... a
very complex one. But for example Word or Visual Studio is also a
program. Can I run multiple copies of Visual Studio or Word at the same
time? Yes i can! I can open 10 Word documents and I dont think Microsoft
is against it. So why cannot I open 10 Windows 8.1 also the same way ??
There you go... If somebody has a good explanation why 10 Words can be
run at the same time but 10 Win8.1 cannot, am interested to know. I mean
what is logically speaking different there. I dont see any difference.




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Not apples to apples.

Is Window10 a program? I think thats where it boils down to. I think it
is; it is a complex program. Are you saying it is not a program?


Opening more than one file in licensed software (e.g. Word) is not the
same. A closer analogy would be opening ten Windows Explorer folders
at the same time. As you noted...MSFT doesn't care if you do that
either.

JiiPee wrote:
On 26/01/2015 23:12, . . .winston wrote:
JiiPee wrote:
On 26/01/2015 14:36, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:22:54 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

I understand somebody using 100 separate shoes needs to pay all
shoes, but that is a different issue as each shoe costs .... but
100 Windows programs do not cost any more than 1.
You're confusing cost with price. Are you an engineer?

Not sure what you mean. But I meant that if I buy 100 shoes, then it
costs to the manufacturer to create all those shoes. It might cost £10
to the manufacturer to make one pair of shoes. So it is logical that if
I buy 3 shoes instead of 1 shoes I should pay 3 times more money. But it
does not cost anything to Microsoft if I install one extra Windows on my
computer. It costs £0 to them. Because bytes are free! Microsoft does
not need to pay anything for me to install an extra Windows.

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Doesn't matter...once Windows is installed the user agreed to the
license constraints.

Yes. But still applies that if I secredly install 1000 Windows10 s after
that without paying Microsoft, then Microsoft would still not lose any
money.


Cost of that license is no longer applicable.


Same rationale...if you want another one (like another pair of shoes)
you pony up and buy it.




But there is a difference between these two things though: If I steal
shoes from the shop it costs real money to the shop keeper (or the shoe
maker) because of the loss of material. But if I install a second Win10
it will not take any money from Microsofts pocket obviously. Also so
that if I install 1000000000 Windows10 s after that, also none of them
will cost Microsoft a penny, because I am the only one working there
(doing installations). If Microsoft did the installations, then it would
be different story and we could compare it to shoe-example. If I on the
other hand steal 10000 shoes from a shop, that shop would lose a
signifant amount of money. You get my point???

So I dont think you can compare shoes and Windows installations to each
others as the other one has raw material which costs and the ohter one
does not have anything really.

It's moot...you install it, you agree to the conditions. There's no
leeway in that agreement for your opinion. Bottom line - deal with it.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

JiiPee wrote:

Is Window10 a program? I think thats where it boils down to. I think it
is; it is a complex program. Are you saying it is not a program?


Operating system on which one has the option to use o/s included or
personally installed programs.

Same applies, one license per device. A device is a pc, a hard drive or
a VM. Install it on one then another license is necessary to place it
on any other type of device.


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 27/01/2015 00:45, . . .winston wrote:

It's moot...you install it, you agree to the conditions. There's no
leeway in that agreement for your opinion. Bottom line - deal with it.

yes yes, but it tells what kind of person the seller is. Try to see it
this way: Lets say I create a program, nice program, and I sell it to
you. Then you ask me that can you install it to your VM and make some
partitions on your computer and install it to all of them with one
license, lets say £100. You want to install 10 of them on your one
computer. Then I ask "ok, thats fine but then its £1000 please... well,
I give you 100 reduction, so lets say £900". What would you think of me
after that? Yes, you would think that am beeing greedy! And this is
*before* you agreed to any conditions... maybe you never even agree, but
it makes you think I am greedy, right? And thats natural, I would also
start thinking things like that is you would do ask such things from me.

So yes, you can ask any price for any service, but be ready to take
peoples judgement after that and what they think about you.

There is such thing called "being greedy" and it means something and
some people are sometimes quilty of doing that.

Beeing greedy is *before* the conditions are agreed. Its asking
something which is way too much it should be plus you already have money
but you ask more/more than is reasonable even though you already have a
lot of money.

On 27/01/2015 00:53, . . .winston wrote:
JiiPee wrote:

Is Window10 a program? I think thats where it boils down to. I think it
is; it is a complex program. Are you saying it is not a program?


Operating system on which one has the option to use o/s included or
personally installed programs.

You did not answer my question really. But I will answer it using a
website which talks about it:
"The operating system is the most important program
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/P/program.htm that runs
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/run.htm on a computer
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/computer.htm. "
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/operating_system.html

So exactly what I was thinking: OS is the most important *program*....
I am a programmer and I make programs. I know that OS *is* a program
itself, as programs are by definition a set of instructions /function
calls and using memory etc which operating system is doing. Yes, a very
complex but still a program according to definition.


Same applies, one license per device. A device is a pc, a hard drive
or a VM. Install it on one then another license is necessary to place
it on any other type of device.

I would not ask such thing if I ever sell programs I made. It does not
make any sense...if Word can be run with multiple copies on the screen,
then why not OS??

One license per computer and user, but unlimited copies per person for
his/her use!
It just makes peoples life difficult if they need uninstall and
re-install and again uninstal if they want to use the program first on
their PC and then on their laptop, and then on their pc and so on.
Common sense should be used in these kind of thing .

Just my two cents.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:45:53 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

Yes. But still applies that if I secredly install 1000 Windows10 s after
that without paying Microsoft, then Microsoft would still not lose any
money.

I would call that argument disingenuous.

If you installed and properly paid for those licenses at $50 each (just
for argument's sake) Microsoft would now have $50,000. When you don't
pay for the extras, MS only gets $50.

By the terms of the license, they are out $49950.

Shifting gears: In a later post, you said
"yes yes, but it tells what kind of person the seller is".

OK, what about the (non) buyer?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 01:22:10 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

Just my two cents.

By now, you've gotten it up to a couple of dollars' worth, IMHO :-)

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:53:41 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

I am not. The reason am not buying Visual Studio is that it is so
expensive and VC++ is not separated and have the same price. I would
like to buy it, but only if it has a reasonable price tag (which I think
earlier versions of VC++ used to have). So am using free versions and
they are good enough, cannot even complain. But if VS was reasonable
priced I might change to use it.

Are you using the free Community 2013 version, or the earlier free Express
version?

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-makes-visual-studio-free-for-small-teams/

On 27/01/2015 01:33, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:45:53 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

Yes. But still applies that if I secredly install 1000 Windows10 s after
that without paying Microsoft, then Microsoft would still not lose any
money.
I would call that argument disingenuous.

If you installed and properly paid for those licenses at $50 each (just
for argument's sake) Microsoft would now have $50,000.

But lets live in reality.... In reality I do not have $50 000 money !
Thats the whole point. I cannot even get such a loan even if I wanted.
So it is impossible for me to pay that. So, because its impossible for
me to pay it, then in reality Microsoft is not losing any money because
even theoretically speaking I cannot pay that. Theoretically speaking
absolute maximum what I could pay coould for example be $2000 (lets say
I do not pay my bills but give all to Microsoft), but that would still
fall short of $50000. The point is that whether I install those 1000
windowses or not, it have zero effect on Microsofts budject. But if I
stole 1000 pair of shoes from the shop it has a huge impact on that
shops budject. Thus, they are not the same thing at all..

Unless you think that I should steal money to get that $50000 from other
people (and that is the only way I could pay that money),but I guesswe
should not go to that route....

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 01:22:10 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

It just makes peoples life difficult if they need uninstall and
re-install and again uninstal if they want to use the program first on
their PC and then on their laptop, and then on their pc and so on.
Common sense should be used in these kind of thing .

Sometimes it is. Some software licences allow two or three
installations, to take account of exactly this sort of situation. Some
companies charge a bit more for multiple licences though not as much
as full price for another copy, and some don't charge anything extra
as long as the installations are all for your own use.

It's their product, so they can offer it to potential customers on any
basis they like. You have no right to dictate conditions relating to
things that don't belong to you, but you can vote with your wallet and
decide which products you want to buy. Accept what's offered or choose
something else. Software companies have their rights and freedoms, and
you have yours.

Rod.

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:45:53 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

Doesn't matter...once Windows is installed the user agreed to the
license constraints.

Yes. But still applies that if I secredly install 1000 Windows10 s after
that without paying Microsoft, then Microsoft would still not lose any
money.

If you install a thousand copies of Windows, it's relevant to consider
what the users of all those computers would have done instead if you
hadn't. Perhaps some of them would have installed Linux in order not
to pay anything to Microsoft, but is it likely that they all would?

Rod.

JiiPee wrote:
On 27/01/2015 00:53, . . .winston wrote:

So exactly what I was thinking: OS is the most important *program*....
I am a programmer and I make programs. I know that OS *is* a program
itself, as programs are by definition a set of instructions /function
calls and using memory etc which operating system is doing. Yes, a very
complex but still a program according to definition.


Same applies, one license per device. A device is a pc, a hard drive
or a VM. Install it on one then another license is necessary to place
it on any other type of device.

I would not ask such thing if I ever sell programs I made. It does not
make any sense...if Word can be run with multiple copies on the screen,
then why not OS??

One license per computer and user, but unlimited copies per person for
his/her use!
It just makes peoples life difficult if they need uninstall and
re-install and again uninstal if they want to use the program first on
their PC and then on their laptop, and then on their pc and so on.
Common sense should be used in these kind of thing .

Just my two cents.





Afaics, you're not really thinking just two cent complaining about
something you can't control.

Here's a thought...write your own o/s then do what you wish...give it
away, sell one license and allow use on multiple devices, or throw it in
the circular file. The latter might actually provide the most comfort.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:19:39 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

On 26/01/2015 14:36, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:22:54 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

I understand somebody using 100 separate shoes needs to pay all
shoes, but that is a different issue as each shoe costs ....
but 100 Windows programs do not cost any more than 1.
You're confusing cost with price. Are you an engineer?

Not sure what you mean.

I see you're still doing it. Trolling behaviour.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:02:23 +0000, JiiPee wrote:

On 26/01/2015 23:46, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:08:36 +0000, JiiPee wrote:


Also note that if you run a firewall and excellent anti-virus and
anti-spyware programs and practice safe hex, the risk of getting
infected isn't zero, but it's very low. I've been extensively using
personal computers (several of them) since 1987, and I've never had an
infection.
I got one couple of days ago when installing a program which should have
been ok (I installed it before with no problems) and surely has been a
good program at least before.

What program and what virus? From where did you download it?



Its very strange I got it as it should have been a well know program
among programmers. but.. its possible i pressed some wrong donwload
buttons as well, cannot be 100% sure. I am not sure if its a good idea
to mention the name of the program just now as it might give bad
reputation for it for nothing. I have to first ensure it was that
program which did it. Maybe to install it again with VM and see is the
virus comes.


I asked three questions. You answered none of them.