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Status of 1809?
I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings
Windows Update tells me I am up to date. During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me: "You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates. Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version." Another countered with: "The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered 1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible with the computer." What is the consensus here please? Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Unsteadyken wrote:
lid says... What is the consensus here please? I've been running 1809 since the initial release and am now on build 17763.253. I have not noticed any faults or bugs. Same here, the initial 1809 release had problems (for some people) of losing folders during the upgrade, clearly that was deemed sufficient to pull it for a while. As with any problem, there are plenty who will report it as though the sky is falling, when it may only affect a small number of users, and even they may not notice, though it seems the quality of testing may be slipping overall ... |
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Status of 1809?
Terry Pinnell wrote in
: I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings Windows Update tells me I am up to date. During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me: "You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates. Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version." Another countered with: "The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered 1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible with the computer." What is the consensus here please? Terry, East Grinstead, UK The second source is a great deal more accurate than the first. There are some issues with things like older AMD GPUs that are not compatible with 1809, so Microsoft has not offered to update those systems. Version 1803 has continued to receive security updates and patches, so is not at any great risk security wise. For some unknown reason my system is unable to upgrate to 1803, so it is still at 1709, yet I have continued to receive necessary updates. Of course you may always go to the 1809 update page and download it directly and attempt to install it, but be prepared for it to either not work at all, or poorly, since there is a reason Microsoft has not sent out the update to your system. Be sure to have up to date backups of your system drive before trying to force an update. |
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Status of 1809?
On 1/15/19 3:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Unsteadyken wrote: lid says... What is the consensus here please? I've been running 1809 since the initial release and am now on build 17763.253. I have not noticed any faults or bugs. Same here, the initial 1809 release had problems (for some people) of losing folders during the upgrade, clearly that was deemed sufficient to pull it for a while. As with any problem, there are plenty who will report it as though the sky is falling, when it may only affect a small number of users, and even they may not notice, though it seems the quality of testing may be slipping overall ... I read a report that kinda detailed some of the continuing issues and it was things that the everyday person such as me would not even touch. Collaboration, and other things that seemed more business like. I can't find the article but https://www.howtogeek.com/search/?q=windows+10+1809 It was on the How-To-Geek newsletter recently. You might find it in one of these articles. Granted the search list is pretty long but I see a few worth reading. Al |
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Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings Windows Update tells me I am up to date. During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me: "You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates. Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version." Another countered with: "The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered 1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible with the computer." What is the consensus here please? Terry, East Grinstead, UK You get all the same updates security-wise for 1803 right now, as you do for 1809. I have a test setup with 1803 on it, and 1809 still hasn't been pushed out. There are no indicators saying why it's blocked or not delivered. And the machine has a new video card, which is still in support. Doesn't look like a cause for alarm. Paul |
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Status of 1809?
On 1/15/2019 2:08 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings Windows Update tells me I am up to date. During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me: "You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates. Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version." Another countered with: "The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered 1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible with the computer." What is the consensus here please? Terry, East Grinstead, UK My Win10 computers are still on 1803, work reliably, and I don't screw with updating them as I prefer to work. -- best regards, Neil |
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Tim wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote in : I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings Windows Update tells me I am up to date. During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me: "You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates. Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version." Another countered with: "The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered 1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible with the computer." What is the consensus here please? Terry, East Grinstead, UK The second source is a great deal more accurate than the first. There are some issues with things like older AMD GPUs that are not compatible with 1809, so Microsoft has not offered to update those systems. Version 1803 has continued to receive security updates and patches, so is not at any great risk security wise. For some unknown reason my system is unable to upgrate to 1803, so it is still at 1709, yet I have continued to receive necessary updates. Of course you may always go to the 1809 update page and download it directly and attempt to install it, but be prepared for it to either not work at all, or poorly, since there is a reason Microsoft has not sent out the update to your system. Be sure to have up to date backups of your system drive before trying to force an update. Thanks all, appreciate the feedback. Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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Paul wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote: I have Win 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.523) and Settings Windows Update tells me I am up to date. During a forum discussion a USA-based contact recently advised me: "You're way behind on your Windows version. You missed the fall update to 1809. That also means you might be missing many post 1809 updates. Many security and stability issues were fixed since your version." Another countered with: "The Windows 1809 was very buggy. It was released and pulled a couple of times. It was supposed to be released in September but was not re-released until November. Microsoft has fixed some of the major issues but some bugs remain. I have several machines that are not even offered 1809. I have read that the Windows update looks for certain hardware and may not offer specific updates if the updates are not compatible with the computer." What is the consensus here please? Terry, East Grinstead, UK You get all the same updates security-wise for 1803 right now, as you do for 1809. I have a test setup with 1803 on it, and 1809 still hasn't been pushed out. There are no indicators saying why it's blocked or not delivered. And the machine has a new video card, which is still in support. Doesn't look like a cause for alarm. My desktop (win10 pro), my wife's laptop (home) and my mum's laptop (home) are all still on 1803. Mine and wife's machines are less than 8 months old, but my mum's has been upgraded from windows 7, I think. Over Christmas I updated my mum's machine - it was on 1709 - but it only got 1803. Frankly it's amazing it still functions reasonably, it must be easily 6 years old. According to the task manager it's mostly I/O bound so may upgrade the hard drive to an SSD next time I'm there. Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update tanks their performance? |
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Status of 1809?
Chris wrote:
My desktop (win10 pro), my wife's laptop (home) and my mum's laptop (home) are all still on 1803. Mine and wife's machines are less than 8 months old, but my mum's has been upgraded from windows 7, I think. Over Christmas I updated my mum's machine - it was on 1709 - but it only got 1803. Frankly it's amazing it still functions reasonably, it must be easily 6 years old. According to the task manager it's mostly I/O bound so may upgrade the hard drive to an SSD next time I'm there. Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update tanks their performance? The support policy and the whole project (Win10) is one of lifes mysteries. If any significant percentage of the user population needs to be "dumped", they're more likely to do that by changing the release number to Windows 11. Microsoft gets a fair amount of "shaming" articles, for even tiny slip-ups on support. If they, for example, discarded all the Core2 machines, there would be hell to pay. There's only supposed to be a couple of the very late models of P4 that might run Windows 10. I've never seen any proof that such a processor actually exists. Nobody has ever said "I got Win10 running on my P4 with the 2MB cache", so I don't know that it's true. I think some models in that series had 64-bit instruction capability. If they were to say "we won't be supporting the P4 from now on", I'm not sure anyone would notice. If your video card were to go entirely out of support, the OS could always run it using the Basic Display Adapter. I don't know how that works during an OS upgrade install, as the install process would try to re-use the existing driver. For the user to be successful at that, they *might* have to remove the video driver, before the Upgrade install kicks off. Running the screen though, at a fixed 1024x768, when the screen is actually 1920x1080, is going to look pretty strange. Paul |
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Status of 1809?
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update tanks their performance? It's called progress, mate. And at the edges of such changes there will be business opportunities for those who will support such historic machines. |
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Status of 1809?
On 1/18/19 3:37 AM, Chris wrote:
Over Christmas I updated my mum's machine - it was on 1709 - but it only got 1803. Frankly it's amazing it still functions reasonably, it must be easily 6 years old. According to the task manager it's mostly I/O bound so may upgrade the hard drive to an SSD next time I'm there. My wife has an i3 2.4ghz Sony Vaio. Works well, but also was just 100% cpu and was 6 years old without any reload, upgraded from Win 8.1 too. I put in a spare 250G SSD and installed 1809. Runs like a champ now without all the Sony crud in it and the SSD. I might get a few more years out of it. |
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mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update tanks their performance? It's called progress, mate. And at the edges of such changes there will be business opportunities for those who will support such historic machines. I get progress part and I'm not complaining about that. I just wonder how MS will manage it, now that win10 has rolling releases? Previously, with specific releases they could set minimum requirements which you'd check and decide whether your machine was compatible with it. Now it's all the same, but at some point older machines are going to be intolerably slow after an update that you may not have been expecting. |
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Status of 1809?
On 1/18/2019 6:10 PM, Chris wrote:
mechanic wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Makes me wonder about the future for older machines. How and when will MS stop supporting them? Or will it just keep pushing updates and features Willy nilly and it'll be users who will be forced to rollback or upgrade their machines after an update tanks their performance? It's called progress, mate. And at the edges of such changes there will be business opportunities for those who will support such historic machines. I get progress part and I'm not complaining about that. I just wonder how MS will manage it, now that win10 has rolling releases? Previously, with specific releases they could set minimum requirements which you'd check and decide whether your machine was compatible with it. Now it's all the same, but at some point older machines are going to be intolerably slow after an update that you may not have been expecting. As has always been the case, there will come a time when hardware no longer meets the minimum requirements for an OS. The thing is, with Win10 users are not in a good position to determine when that time comes. Service packs and updates for earlier versions of Windows had more available information about what was in them and what was required than for any version since Vista. I think the best option for Win10 is to avoid participating in IDK and let the hardware and firmware determine what works by "calling home to MS", which seems to prevent incompatible updates on all of my Win10 machines. -- best regards, Neil |
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Status of 1809?
In article , Chris
wrote: Previously, with specific releases they could set minimum requirements which you'd check and decide whether your machine was compatible with it. Now it's all the same, but at some point older machines are going to be intolerably slow after an update that you may not have been expecting. or they decide to not release further updates for some hardware, which i think has begun to happen... |
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