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********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ Good article! -- David B. |
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On 1/18/19 1:38 PM, David B. wrote:
Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ Good article! I got a kick out of reading it also. I loved Win 8.1 with the Start8 menu. I didn't really want to go to 10. Now, as the article says, I wouldn't touch 8 again. I have it in a VM and I can get around it but it just doesn't feel right after so many years away. Al |
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Big Al wrote:
On 1/18/19 1:38 PM, David B. wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ Good article! I got a kick out of reading it also. I loved Win 8.1 with the Start8 menu. I didn't really want to go to 10. Now, as the article says, I wouldn't touch 8 again. I have it in a VM and I can get around it but it just doesn't feel right after so many years away. Al Based on the history of failures on Windows 10, if you forced me to make a choice today of having only one OS, I'd have to select Windows 8. I have no guarantees on the "quality" of Windows 10. It stays on the short leash due to it's "non-convergent" behavior. It doesn't get better from release to release. It's some sort of "hobby OS" for a team of 7000 developers. Because it's a rolling release, they're not held accountable for the quality. If they break my webcam (which is still broken), it's "oops! too bad and so sad!". Right now in Windows 10, I can play a 3D game, and at random the game quits and I'm thrown back to the desktop. And unlike traditional game failures, where you hear "looping sound", the sound stops instantly too. And there's a power management event, a weird one, seen in Event Viewer. *No* error message on the machine, as you would normally get with a "code" or "resource" issue. There's no "segmentation fault" or "invalid address" 0x12345678 to marvel at. There's nothing. Now, how much would you pay, as a customer, for such an OS ? Hmmmm??? Right now my charity jar is pretty empty. After this many releases, there's no more "benefit of the doubt". It's never going to pick itself up off the floor. It has enough rough edges to use as a bench grinder. Paul |
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No, you need to go to 7, which is much better than either 8 or 10 !
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:38:13 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ Good article! Did you actually read it? I don't think they made a single valid point. It's just another fluff piece, completely devoid of fact. |
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On 18/01/2019 21:33, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:38:13 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ Good article! Did you actually read it? I don't think they made a single valid point. It's just another fluff piece, completely devoid of fact. Yes, I DID read it. I like to keep abreast of things but rely heavily on my 27inch Apple iMac for everyday computing. It's a FANTASTIC piece of kit! :-) https://www.apple.com/uk/imac/ -- David B. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:38:13 +0000, "David
B." "David wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ I didn't know Classic Shell had stopped development -- did it? -- but it gives me no problems, despite what this article says. When I was trying to help my brother before we turned on the remote program (name escapes me), I had no idea what his startup screen looked like or what to tell him to do. I heard win8 was terrible, but never knew why before. Good article! |
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On 19/01/2019 08:49, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:38:13 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ I didn't know Classic Shell had stopped development -- did it? -- but it gives me no problems, despite what this article says. There's an interesting statement and thread about it he- http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8147 When I was trying to help my brother before we turned on the remote program (name escapes me), I had no idea what his startup screen looked like or what to tell him to do. Might that have been https://www.teamviewer.com/en/ I've used it and found it excellent! -- David B. |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:58:16 -0500, wrote:
No, you need to go to 7, which is much better than either 8 or 10 ! I agree. |
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micky wrote:
[...] I heard win8 was terrible, but never knew why before. If you don't use/need these Metro/Modern/UWP/whatever apps - i.e. you just use/need Real Windows (TM) -, Windows 8.1 [1] is perfectly fine. [1] Note '8.1', not '8' (which was indeed not very good). |
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On 19 Jan 2019, micky wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: I didn't know Classic Shell had stopped development -- did it? -- but it gives me no problems, despite what this article says. Classic Shell is dead, but the project has gone Open Source and continues to be developed as "Open Shell Menu". I use Classic Shell with Windows 7 to add a few features Microsoft left out. I use Classic Shell with Windows 8.1 because I can't stand its default interface. I use Windows 10 as it it - I think its interface is quite usable and useful. I think Windows 8.1 is quite all right, when used with Classic/Open shell. It has less of the privacy-violating features of Windows 10 and all the functionality of Windows 7. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:46:13 -0500, Nil
wrote: On 19 Jan 2019, micky wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: I didn't know Classic Shell had stopped development -- did it? -- but it gives me no problems, despite what this article says. Classic Shell is dead, but the project has gone Open Source and continues to be developed as "Open Shell Menu". I use Classic Shell Good to know. Without checking, I don't know what I have. with Windows 7 to add a few features Microsoft left out. I use Classic Shell with Windows 8.1 because I can't stand its default interface. I use Windows 10 as it it - I think its interface is quite usable and useful. I think Windows 8.1 is quite all right, when used with Classic/Open shell. It has less of the privacy-violating features of Windows 10 and all the functionality of Windows 7. Well, I don't have 8 or 8.1 anyhow, so I'll drop out of this. |
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micky wrote:
Well, I don't have 8 or 8.1 anyhow, so I'll drop out of this. If you need one, you can get a reference one of sorts, as a virtual machine. You can run Windows 8 in a window via VirtualBox or similar. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...dge/tools/vms/ ******* If you "need to install Windows 8 for a look" while helping your relatives with TeamViewer, you can use these install keys to bypass the insistence on entering a key value. These are "bypass" keys and do not activate. They're used by IT people doing WADK or the like. The "grace period" of usage, is still at least 30 days with these. XKY4K-2NRWR-8F6P2-448RF-CRYQH (Windows 8 Professional) RR3BN-3YY9P-9D7FC-7J4YF-QGJXW (Windows 8 Professional with Media Center) FB4WR-32NVD-4RW79-XQFWH-CYQG3 (Windows 8 [Home]) XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB (Windows 8.1 Professional) GBFNG-2X3TC-8R27F-RMKYB-JK7QT (Windows 8.1 Professional with Media Center) 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT (Windows 8.1 [Home]) If you wanted to license one of those installations, you can enter a different (valid) key and then click the button to activate. I actually tested that with my Win8 key, and it worked OK. I installed on purpose with the bypass key, just to prove the legit key could validate the OS later. If you need media, use Heidoc. Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:01:50 +0000, "David
B." "David wrote: On 19/01/2019 08:49, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:38:13 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ I didn't know Classic Shell had stopped development -- did it? -- but it gives me no problems, despite what this article says. There's an interesting statement and thread about it he- http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8147 I read it. Interesting. When I was trying to help my brother before we turned on the remote program (name escapes me), I had no idea what his startup screen looked like or what to tell him to do. Might that have been https://www.teamviewer.com/en/ I've used it and found it excellent! Yeah, that's what I meant. I remembered when I read my post today, coudlnt' remember yesterday. |
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On 19/01/2019 22:01, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 09:01:50 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: On 19/01/2019 08:49, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 18 Jan 2019 18:38:13 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: Copy/Paste ********** Windows 10 can sometimes be a real mess. Between botched updates, treating its users as beta testers, and adding features we never wanted it can be tempting to downgrade. But you shouldn’t go back to Windows 8.1, and we can tell you why. Seriously: We installed Windows 8.1 and used it for a few hours so you wouldn’t have to. https://www.howtogeek.com/401648/don...o-windows-8.1/ I didn't know Classic Shell had stopped development -- did it? -- but it gives me no problems, despite what this article says. There's an interesting statement and thread about it he- http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8147 I read it. Interesting. YW :-) When I was trying to help my brother before we turned on the remote program (name escapes me), I had no idea what his startup screen looked like or what to tell him to do. Might that have been https://www.teamviewer.com/en/ I've used it and found it excellent! Yeah, that's what I meant. I remembered when I read my post today, coudln't remember yesterday. I have brain farts too! No worries! :-) -- David B. |
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